Israel appeasement

[HisSelf]

For the last 60 years, Israel has always found somebody who has been willing to appease it. Haper has been the latest to buy into this nonsense. Where has that got us?

Is it not time to stop the policy of appeasement, and look at a more balanced solution to the Middle East mess?

[M.Dancer]

For the last 60 years, Israel has always found somebody who has been willing to appease it. Haper has been the latest to buy into this nonsense. Where has that got us?

Is it not time to stop the policy of appeasement, and look at a more balanced solution to the Middle East mess?

Lovely weather we're having...

[Argus]

For the last 60 years, Israel has always found somebody who has been willing to appease it. Haper has been the latest to buy into this nonsense. Where has that got us?

Is it not time to stop the policy of appeasement, and look at a more balanced solution to the Middle East mess?

Tell you what, I'll side with the democracy which (mostly) respects human rights, and you side with the people who support terrorist bombings of schoolchildren, beat women to death if they're seen talking to a man without a chaperone, execute homos wherever they find them, and want a religious theocracy with sharia law.

[DogOnPorch]

Aye...Israel holds dear many of the same values I do...

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Reg: If you want to join the People's Front of Judea, you have to really hate the Romans.

Brian: I do!

Reg: Oh yeah, how much?

Brian: A lot!

Reg: Right, you're in.

---Monty Python: Life of Brian

[Borg]

For the last 60 years, Israel has always found somebody who has been willing to appease it. Haper has been the latest to buy into this nonsense. Where has that got us?

Is it not time to stop the policy of appeasement, and look at a more balanced solution to the Middle East mess?

Nice words - do you actually believe them?

Officially, Syria is still at war with Israel - hence the United Nations buffer. All the other borders could crash in a heartbeat - peace always hangs by a thread in the middle east.

I happen to know the Israelis would like peace - so tell me - if Israel were to lay down all of their arms tomorrow - do you believe those friendly neighbours they have would allow it to live in peace?

None of the nice people who live on any of the Jewish borders believe in democracy - none of them have any western values - other than perhaps a few enlightened (read filthy rich) - all believe the solution to the problems in the middle east involve the extemination of the people living in Israel.

So - rather than pop off - why not tell us how you can magically solve this problem - of course you will manage to do this without appeasing the Jews I am sure - we are all waiting but no one is holding their breathe for a response.

The Harper "appeasement" seems to have created a free trade agreement - which in itself can be argued both for and against. I will simply wait to see what transpires.

How long have you had this hard on against Israel? Have a little arab blood in your veins perhaps?

Borg

[eyeball]

For the last 60 years, Israel has always found somebody who has been willing to appease it. Haper has been the latest to buy into this nonsense. Where has that got us?

Is it not time to stop the policy of appeasement, and look at a more balanced solution to the Middle East mess?

Morris probably has the right approach, our politicians should not get involved and just talk about something else whenever the subject comes up.

[Oleg Bach]

Morris probably has the right approach, our politicians should not get involved and just talk about something else whenever the subject comes up.

Whether it is in the domestic courts or on the international scene..politcally correct appeasement and pandering to the decendents of Judeans is a disservice to them in the long run..Israel is like the overly protect spoiled child..time for her to truely stand up on her own as a mature and responsible world citizen..It this nation or family wants to exist then it must practice good civil and benevolent attitude and make peace with all..the brat!

[Borg]

Whether it is in the domestic courts or on the international scene..politcally correct appeasement and pandering to the decendents of Judeans is a disservice to them in the long run..Israel is like the overly protect spoiled child..time for her to truely stand up on her own as a mature and responsible world citizen..It this nation or family wants to exist then it must practice good civil and benevolent attitude and make peace with all..the brat!

The problem lies with the fact that Israel cannot make peace- there is no wish for this by the vast majority of neighbours.

If so required Israel could wipe the local map clean - this "appeasement" has also kept her from doing some serious damage during times they have had their backs to the wall.

It is not a one way street - this "appeasement" has also kept the arabs healthy - otherwise Israel could own the whole of the non-radiated pieces of land remaining.

It is indeed in our best interests to keep her happy and help keep her neighbours at bay.

I may not be correct, but I believe it was Ariel Sharone (sp?) of Golda Mier (sp?) who once stated = "Never again" in reference to the Jews going quietly to their deaths. If war comes hard and serious to that part of the world you can be sure we will all live to regret it no matter which side you support.

Borg

[HisSelf]

Nice words - do you actually believe them?

Officially, Syria is still at war with Israel - hence the United Nations buffer. All the other borders could crash in a heartbeat - peace always hangs by a thread in the middle east.

I happen to know the Israelis would like peace - so tell me - if Israel were to lay down all of their arms tomorrow - do you believe those friendly neighbours they have would allow it to live in peace?

I am not asking Israel to lay down arms, with the exception of nuclear arms. I would not ask Canada to lay down arms. I would not ask anybody to lay down arms.

None of the nice people who live on any of the Jewish borders believe in democracy - none of them have any western values - other than perhaps a few enlightened (read filthy rich) - all believe the solution to the problems in the middle east involve the extemination of the people living in Israel.

This argument is like a dog that chases its own tail. Believe it or not, there are people in the Palestinian Territories and Lebanon who believe that Israel is trying to exterminate them.

So - rather than pop off - why not tell us how you can magically solve this problem - of course you will manage to do this without appeasing the Jews I am sure - we are all waiting but no one is holding their breathe for a response.

Do a little digging. You will find my thread with a suggested solution.

How long have you had this hard on against Israel? Have a little arab blood in your veins perhaps?

[HisSelf]

Aye...Israel holds dear many of the same values I do...

I see. So if a platoon of soldiers were to show up at your house - the house you had bought, made payments on, and after many years of monthly payments, finally owned outright - and told you that you had 15 minutes to leave or get bulldozed into the rubble, those would be your values?

[HisSelf]

Morris probably has the right approach, our politicians should not get involved and just talk about something else whenever the subject comes up.

I prefer a balanced approach, which Canada followed until Harper got elected. Harper is engaging in Israel appeasement. Israel appeasement is not going to bring peace to the Middle East.

[HisSelf]

The problem lies with the fact that Israel cannot make peace- there is no wish for this by the vast majority of neighbours.

Israel already has peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan. Where is this vast majority? Its other neighbours are Lebanon - which it has attacked twice, and Syria, which has a legitimate territorial dispute.

If so required Israel could wipe the local map clean - this "appeasement" has also kept her from doing some serious damage during times they have had their backs to the wall.

Sure it could. And what would happen next?

It is not a one way street - this "appeasement" has also kept the arabs healthy - otherwise Israel could own the whole of the non-radiated pieces of land remaining.

Not sure what your argument is but the reason that Israel has not annexed the West Bank is that it would immediately bring one hell of a lot of very angry Palestinian Arabs into the Israeli democratic framework and show Israel's 'democracy' for the canard that it really is.

It is indeed in our best interests to keep her happy and help keep her neighbours at bay.

It is in our best interest to get the whole bloody thing settled down, and not to take sides. The more we take sides, the less is the likelihood that there can be peace.

I may not be correct, but I believe it was Ariel Sharone (sp?) of Golda Mier (sp?) who once stated = "Never again" in reference to the Jews going quietly to their deaths. If war comes hard and serious to that part of the world you can be sure we will all live to regret it no matter which side you support.

If you were a Palestinian Arab, would you give damn about the Holocaust? This is the great injustices these people have been asked to choke down. The Jews got murdered by the Nazis and so you should give up your land. Do you see the flaw in this argument? Even Ben Gurion said that he didn't blame the Arabs for getting upset. Google this if you are not well enough acquainted with the history to know what I am talking about.

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[Borg]

Israel already has peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan. Where is this vast majority? Its other neighbours are Lebanon - which it has attacked twice, and Syria, which has a legitimate territorial dispute.

Sure it could. And what would happen next?

Not sure what your argument is but the reason that Israel has not annexed the West Bank is that it would immediately bring one hell of a lot of very angry Palestinian Arabs into the Israeli democratic framework and show Israel's 'democracy' for the canard that it really is.

It is in our best interest to get the whole bloody thing settled down, and not to take sides. The more we take sides, the less is the likelihood that there can be peace.

If you were a Palestinian Arab, would you give damn about the Holocaust? This is the great injustices these people have been asked to choke down. The Jews got murdered by the Nazis and so you should give up your land. Do you see the flaw in this argument? Even Ben Gurion said that he didn't blame the Arabs for getting upset. Google this if you are not well enough acquainted with the history to know what I am talking about.

Peace treaties can be broken and are tenuous at best. Although Jordan is fairly solid at this time I agree. It could all change over night.

United Nations maintains a watch on the Israel Egypt border, the Syria Israel border and the southern portion of Lebanon - there is still a spark that could be ingnited.

A few small million (7.2 million) Jews in a spot about the size of PEI against a whole bunch of not so friendly people.

Syria - 17 million

Egypt - 80 million

Lebanon - 4 million

Jordan - 6 million

That is the vast majority I talk about. Sit and talk with most folks in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jorden - despite any agreements in place they would love to see Israel disappear. I have had the opportunity to do this many times.

Lebanon causes its own problems. In fact if the Lebs would settle down and actually make Syria stop meddling - stop the rocket attacks on Israel - things might actually improve - although the country is a total mess - and not because of its southern neighbour.

Annex the West Bank? That mess will only be sorted out when the arabs are willing to (1) sit down and truly negotiate in good faith, and (2) when the arabs can sort out their own problems. At present there is no will for that from what I have seen and experienced - the hatreds run too deep. Hell they fight amoung themselves as often as they fight the Jews. No true central control - tribe is stronger than flag.

Heck even the Egyptians are tired of the arabs from Gaza after a "shopping trip" organized by Hamas not long ago - the pressure will be off Israel soon enough and on Egypt and the Gaza folks if they keep up their transgressions. I think Israel gets a private laugh out of this scenario and yes - many will say it is caused by the Jews - the argument is valid but I also understand the Jewish frustration in Gaza.

Before one knocks the treatment of arabs by Israel - there are indeed citizens of Israel who are arabic - once a citizen, full rights are extended.

Syria's dispute - legitimate? There are some who would argue. And that argument is considered valid by many - and not all of those live in Isreal.

Settling the problem? Agree completely however - what is the answer? I am quite willing to listen to yours although great minds have been trying for years - and it is not all a one sided fault - but Israel will not fall without wreaking true havoc - are we ready for that - suspect not. Pony up to the bar and tell us how to solve this without causing a mass kill in Israel.

Do we not have some responsibility here as well?

The Jews will have their way of life and are not going away - the arabs are not about to change their mind and that in itself is the rub. I still see it as an arab problem due to their inability to realize it is also in their best interest to negotiate something that works and LASTS - but they will not.

Once the Jews were in, there was no hope of tossing them. No one will succeed now unless they want a nuclear war.

I know the history fairly well having spent nearly - hmmm .... must be 6-7 years in the region. Not an expert, but I do not really care that you might figure I am an uneducated ass (just guessing from the tone) - just trying to state a point that is quite realistic in these times.

One final thing - if Israel actually does believe it is about to fall - it WILL use all measures at its disposal - and those measures are significant - it would indeed change the world forever. That is why I say we need to keep her happy and above all - safe from the neighbours.

Not ideal and in my opinion not pandering or appeasing - otherwise the Jews would be driven into the sea by their "friends" in surrounding countries.

The world cannot afford to have this happen.

I look forward to your dissection of this - sentence by sentence. You do it so well.

Borg

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[HisSelf]

Peace treaties can be broken and are tenuous at best. Although Jordan is fairly solid at this time I agree. It could all change over night.

United Nations maintains a watch on the Israel Egypt border, the Syria Israel border and the southern portion of Lebanon - there is still a spark that could be ingnited.

There has been sniping across the Lebanese border, no question, but Israel is the only country that has had its army cross that border.

A few small million (7.2 million) Jews in a spot about the size of PEI against a whole bunch of not so friendly people.

Syria - 17 million

Egypt - 80 million

Lebanon - 4 million

Jordan - 6 million

That is the vast majority I talk about. Sit and talk with most folks in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jorden - despite any agreements in place they would love to see Israel disappear. I have had the opportunity to do this many times.

What has Israel done for them? You seem to have this idea that they should all just throw up their hands and shout "Yes Tevya. It will marry your daughter!" Why should these countries love Israel? Fill me in.

Lebanon causes its own problems. In fact if the Lebs would settle down and actually make Syria stop meddling - stop the rocket attacks on Israel - things might actually improve - although the country is a total mess - and not because of its southern neighbour.

Lebanon does not have the power to cause its own problems. It is simply a battleground. We have the Druz and Phalange who are being propped up by the Israelis and the Americans and we have Hezbollah being propped up by everybody else. Why do you propose that Israel and the Americans have more right to meddle in Lebanon than the Syrians and Iranians do? Huh?

Annex the West Bank? That mess will only be sorted out when the arabs are willing to (a) sit down and truly negotiate in good faith, and ( when the arabs can sort out their own problems. At present there is no will for that from what I have seen and experienced - the hatreds run too deep. Hell they fight amoung themselves as often as they fight the Jews. No true central control - tribe is stronger than flag.

I agree there is no central control. On either side. How many illegal settlements (illegal by even Israeli law) are now in the West Bank, You call this Central control?

Heck even the Egyptians are tired of the arabs from Gaza after a "shopping trip" organized by Hamas not long ago - the pressure will be off Israel soon enough and on Egypt and the Gaza folks if they keep up their transgressions. I think Israel gets a private laugh out of this scenario and yes - many will say it is caused by the Jews - the argument is valid but I also understand the Jewish frustration in Gaza.

Why in the name of John A McDonald would the Egyptians be expected to take responsibility for Gaza? Who thrust that role on them? You should be damned grateful for what they have done for Gaza. Were it not for the Egyptians, Gaza would have been a genocide a long time ago.

Before one knocks the treatment of arabs by Israel - there are indeed citizens of Israel who are arabic - once a citizen, full rights are extended.

O really. So how many settlements have been built to house Arabs? How many Arab immigrants have been welcomed to the land of Eratz Israel? How many Arab cabinet ministers can you name?

Syria's dispute - legitimate? There are some who would argue. And that argument is considered valid by many - and not all of those live in Isreal.

The dispute is legitimate. You seem to be assuming that I am saying Syria's beef is legitimate.

Settling the problem? Agree completely however - what is the answer? I am quite willing to listen to yours although great minds have been trying for years - and it is not all a one sided fault - but Israel will not fall without wreaking true havoc - are we ready for that - suspect not. Pony up to the bar and tell us how to solve this without causing a mass kill in Israel.

My solution is a merger of Jordan, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank into a single democratic nation with a consitutional monarchy.

Do we not have some responsibility here as well?

Sure. We have a responsibility to see both sides, look at the historical facts, and to not take sides.

The Jews will have their way of life and are not going away - the arabs are not about to change their mind and that in itself is the rub. I still see it as an arab problem due to their inability to realize it is also in their best interest to negotiate something that works and LASTS - but they will not.

There is always a deal. The problem is that the deal has yet to be found.

Once the Jews were in, there was no hope of tossing them. No one will succeed now unless they want a nuclear war.

Haven't seen anybody here say that the Jews should be 'tossed'. Where does that come from?

One final thing - if Israel actually does believe it is about to fall - it WILL use all measures at its disposal - and those measures are significant - it would indeed change the world forever. That is why I say we need to keep her happy and above all - safe from the neighbours.

The nuclear threat, right? No wonder Iran is racing to develop nuclear technology. If I were an Arab or a Moslem, I would not trust Israel for a single moment.

Not ideal and in my opinion not pandering or appeasing - otherwise the Jews would be driven into the sea by their "friends" in surrounding countries.

O right. Driven into the sea. And then we have Clinton shouting bomb to smithereens.

The world cannot afford to have this happen.

Exactly.

I look forward to your dissection of this - sentence by sentence. You do it so well.

Thanks for asking. There it is. Thank you for engaging in intelligent debate without resorting to namecalling, ridicule and prevarication. It is always a pleasure to debate issues with a true democrat.

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[HisSelf]

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[Oleg Bach]

And thank you for engaging in intelligent debate without resorting to namecalling, ridicule and prevarication. It is always a pleasure to debate issues with a true democrat.

I was not a participant in this intelligent debate but I will fill in the blanks as far as namecalling and ridicule..You are all a bunch of delluded doinks..the problem with Isreal in the middle east is the simple material fact that this twit of a nation gets all the money while the neigbours look on through the eyes of poverty and international persecution and general inhuman abuse by all...For the sake of political correctness..and forget the Jewish lobby...they have nothing to do with it - America as an empire has a destablizing out post in the region and that is the only purpose of Israel..frankly I am sure that most of the phoney supporters in positions of power of this little state are secretly anti-semites...Why would they care about Jews if they do not even care about their own poor and black populace.??

[Topaz]

You know if Israel ever was at peace would they still get the millions from the US they get every year for military weapons? I think not, so if they want the money, they just have to keep fighting. The US is the largest seller of military weapons why would they want peace? The US should stay out of the Middle-East and let those countries there bring either peace or war to it. The more they try to bring peace the more war breaks out after.

[Oleg Bach]

You know if Israel ever was at peace would they still get the millions from the US they get every year for military weapons? I think not, so if they want the money, they just have to keep fighting. The US is the largest seller of military weapons why would they want peace? The US should stay out of the Middle-East and let those countries there bring either peace or war to it. The more they try to bring peace the more war breaks out after.

It's money laundering by the people who own the military industrial complex.. At least you know how the system works. Most don't! The get all emotional about it and are dupes for the most part..case in point. Most do not relalize that there is a stipulation attatched to the contract that is Israeli aid. For every 10 million sent..8 million MUST be spent on military hardware and supplies. So in effect the American tax payer is duped..he sends money to Israel and then- after the transaction the money is sent directly back to the states and into the pockets of private people..talk about slick. So there can be no peace in Israel..because the military industrial mafia demand war and a good eternal thriving buisness. AND there are men in Israel who play this game at the detriment of the average Jew that suffers as they grow rich.

I knew two Jewish brothers that committed a fraud in Canada..they took 6 million bucks and hightailed it to Israel. They took the money to the bank and the only question asked there was "Country of origin" - Then they went to south america..and had installments sent to them..eventually the shipments of money got smaller and ceased..their banking buddies stole the rest from the two brother crooks..now they are back in Canada and law enforcement has turned a blind eye to these guys because they are an embarassment to the Jewish community - go figure..the place is not legit..Time Israel behaved like a respectable nation if they want respect.

[Borg]

There has been sniping across the Lebanese border, no question, but Israel is the only country that has had its army cross that border.

What has Israel done for them?

Actually they have done nothing for them - other than to provide target practise for amateur rocketeers and walking bombs - and there is no reason to do anything for them until there is a guarantee the Lebs will stop

You seem to have this idea that they should all just throw up their hands and shout "Yes Tevya. It will marry your daughter!" Why should these countries love Israel? Fill me in.

Love them? No reason to - but hate them to the point of desiring extermination? That is why there will never be peace - tribe before flag.

Lebanon does not have the power to cause its own problems. It is simply a battleground. We have the Druz and Phalange who are being propped up by the Israelis and the Americans and we have Hezbollah being propped up by everybody else. Why do you propose that Israel and the Americans have more right to meddle in Lebanon than the Syrians and Iranians do? Huh?

I simply stated that we need to keep things going properly down the right path and that means keeping Israel happy and her neighbours at bay - those neighbours would gladly kill that country - Israel lays down her arms there will be a slaughter because that is how strong the hate is. Do you actually deny this???

I agree there is no central control. On either side. How many illegal settlements (illegal by even Israeli law) are now in the West Bank, You call this Central control?

Central control? Hey it is not perfect, but the Israeli government is moving some out. I have no control over that and to be truthful I do not care. When one stops bombing and fighting and is willing to negotiate a peace settlement then there will probably be changes. Until then, there will be those who take up lawless ways - on both sides.

Why in the name of John A McDonald would the Egyptians be expected to take responsibility for Gaza? Who thrust that role on them? You should be damned grateful for what they have done for Gaza. Were it not for the Egyptians, Gaza would have been a genocide a long time ago.

I highly doubt the Israelis would exterminate people living in Gaza. The same cannot be stated if the positions were reversed. I do not ever think I have heard someone from Israel claim it was time to kill all arabs

O really. So how many settlements have been built to house Arabs? How many Arab immigrants have been welcomed to the land of Eratz Israel? How many Arab cabinet ministers can you name?

Can't - not even worried about it. If a citizen of Israel, the arabs share full rights. Same cannot be stated if the positions are reversed.

The dispute is legitimate. You seem to be assuming that I am saying Syria's beef is legitimate.

Actually I was assuming you said it was legitimate - I simply stated that there are those in the world who disagree - hence the UN observation and demilitarized zone.

My solution is a merger of Jordan, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank into a single democratic nation with a consitutional monarchy.

Never happen - the arabs would not allow it - and in the end Sharia law would be in place in all of Israel - Jews would be forced out and I believe you know that. Your next idea please?

Sure. We have a responsibility to see both sides, look at the historical facts, and to not take sides.

There is always a deal. The problem is that the deal has yet to be found.

Well, if it has not been found to date does that not indicate it will not likely be found in my life time? In fact the deal will not come until someone makes war. Sooner or later it will come.

Haven't seen anybody here say that the Jews should be 'tossed'. Where does that come from?

Not from here, but certainly from the arabs.

The nuclear threat, right? No wonder Iran is racing to develop nuclear technology. If I were an Arab or a Moslem, I would not trust Israel for a single moment.

I think I would rather the Israelis than the arabs as a neighbour. I suspect others might agree. Leave them alone and they will leave you alone. Even if you have different beliefs than they do. Not so in the other direction.

O right. Driven into the sea. And then we have Clinton shouting bomb to smithereens.

Exactly.

I think there is a stronger hatred and willingness to do this than you might believe - only Jewish strength prevents it from happening.

Thanks for asking. There it is. Thank you for engaging in intelligent debate without resorting to namecalling, ridicule and prevarication.

Not a debate - a discussion - not interested in debate - however it is always interesting to see and engage those who appear willing to let the Jews disappear.

It is always a pleasure to debate issues with a true democrat.

Never thought of myself as a democrat.

Borg

[Oleg Bach]

I sense that Borg considers the middle east in it's present state withing his field of investment..so Borg - as far as your life is concerned. You are prospering in this mayhem. Maintaining the status quo at present is selfish my friend. Ever considered a fair playing field where people do not have to die so some do not have to work for a living?

[Guest American Woman]

You know if Israel ever was at peace would they still get the millions from the US they get every year for military weapons? I think not, so if they want the money, they just have to keep fighting.

That doesn't make sense. If they didn't "keep fighting," they wouldn't need the money they get "for military weapons," so why would they "want" it?

[Oleg Bach]

That doesn't make sense. If they didn't "keep fighting," they wouldn't need the money they get "for military weapons," so why would they "want" it?

Does seem like his wording is spinning in a bit of a vortex..but then so is the reality surrounding Israel. You ask why would they want the money? Why so they would not have to work of course. Young Israeli men are pretty physically fit. The older well to do Israeli men are huge and fat and very lazy....the only reason they want some sort of peace with Palistine is because the cheap labour has stopped flowing in and Sharon like guys may have to do their own gardening and taking out the trash - heaven forbit they dig a ditch.

[bush_cheney2004]

the problem with Isreal in the middle east is the simple material fact that this twit of a nation gets all the money while the neigbours look on through the eyes of poverty and international persecution and general inhuman abuse by all...For the sake of political correctness..and forget the Jewish lobby...

The problem with this is tha nagging fact that the same American billions have flowed to Egypt, Jordan, and Palestinians.

America as an empire has a destablizing out post in the region and that is the only purpose of Israel..frankly I am sure that most of the phoney supporters in positions of power of this little state are secretly anti-semites...Why would they care about Jews if they do not even care about their own poor and black populace.??

Well, I think they care at least as much as Canada does.

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[Oleg Bach]

The problem with this is tha nagging fact that the same American billions have flowed to Egypt, Jordan, and Palestinians.

Well, I think they care at least as much as Canada does.

Maybe if your a politcal or a lawyer or a high ranking buisness type you care..the average person on the street does not care. You are off the mark when you try suggest that the money sent to Palestine is on fair ground with that of Israel..money is only as good as what you can perchase..either in goods or service. You can't purchase much if you are locked up behind a wall and all goods entering are under strick control and price...it's like giving five hundred bucks to a person in jail and telling them to go shopping. It's not the same. Egypt has atonomy, as does Jordan. Palisitine does not. If you can show me the figures on what was sent to Isreal this year and what was sent to Palistine. Of course you will say that aid was cut to Palisitine recently due to terrorism and rebellion. Find the figures from 10 years ago and I doubt that there was equitablity back then either. It is really a money issue - all earthly problems are based on material things.

[bush_cheney2004]

Maybe if your a politcal or a lawyer or a high ranking buisness type you care..the average person on the street does not care. You are off the mark when you try suggest that the money sent to Palestine is on fair ground with that of Israel..money is only as good as what you can perchase..either in goods or service. You can't purchase much if you are locked up behind a wall and all goods entering are under strick control and price...it's like giving five hundred bucks to a person in jail and telling them to go shopping.

Nonsense....it has nothing to do with being "fair"...you should know better. Arrafart and his ilk pissed away all that "unfair" aid anyway. It wasn't fair when the US gave Europe a Marshall Plan either....."not fair" cried the Soviet Union!

It's not the same. Egypt has atonomy, as does Jordan. Palisitine does not. If you can show me the figures on what was sent to Isreal this year and what was sent to Palistine. Of course you will say that aid was cut to Palisitine recently due to terrorism and rebellion. Find the figures from 10 years ago and I doubt that there was equitablity back then either. It is really a money issue - all earthly problems are based on material things.

See above. I just wanted to point out that your version of the "aid" story is a twisted wreck....."that this twit of a nation gets all the money while the neigbours look on through the eyes of poverty....

Hell, sub-Saharan Africans laugh at your notion of "poverty" in the Middle East.....but there is no Jew baiting fun in that.