WarBicycle Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 Film star Brigitte Bardot on trial for Muslim slurFrom correspondents in France April 16, 2008 03:34am FORMER French film star Brigitte Bardot has gone on trial for allegedly insulting Muslims, the fifth time she has faced the charge of "inciting racial hatred" over her controversial remarks about Islam and its followers. Prosecutors asked that the Paris court hand the 73-year-old former sex symbol a two-month suspended prison sentence and fine her €15,000 ($23,760) for saying the Muslim community was "destroying our country and imposing its acts''. Since retiring from the film industry in the 1970s, Bardot has become a prominent animal rights activist but she has also courted controversy by denouncing Muslim traditions and immigration from predominantly Muslim countries. She has been fined four times for inciting racial hatred since 1997, at first €1500 ($2568) and most recently €5000 ($8563). Prosecutor Anne de Fontette told the court she was seeking a tougher sentence than usual. "I am a little tired of prosecuting Mrs Bardot,'' she told the court. Bardot did not attend the trial because she said she was physically unable to. The verdict is expected in several weeks. French anti-racist groups complained last year about comments Bardot made about the Muslim feast of Eid al-Adha in a letter to President Nicolas Sarkozy that was later published by her foundation. Muslims traditionally mark Eid al-Adha by slaughtering a sheep or another animal to commemorate the prophet Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his son on God's orders. France is home to 5 million Muslims, Europe's largest Muslim community, making up 8 per cent of France's population. "I am fed up with being under the thumb of this population which is destroying us, destroying our country and imposing its acts,'' Bardot is alleged to have said. Bardot previously said France is being invaded by sheep-slaughtering Muslims and published a book attacking gays, immigrants and the unemployed, in which she also lamented the "Islamisation of France''. Imagine my shock, criticize Islam and the Left will have you charged; however, rioting and carbacues are acceptable as are flying planes into buildings, blowing up commuter trains, buses, and slowly sawing of an individual's head. Quote
M.Dancer Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 Imagine my shock, criticize Islam and the Left will have you charged; however, rioting and carbacues are acceptable as are flying planes into buildings, blowing up commuter trains, buses, and slowly sawing of an individual's head. ....they're doing all that in France? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
AngusThermopyle Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 ....they're doing all that in France? Yes they are and not only that, much worse. They're making crepes.....lots and lots of crepes. Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
kuzadd Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) Imagine my shock, criticize Islam and the Left will have you charged; however, rioting and carbacues are acceptable as are flying planes into buildings, blowing up commuter trains, buses, and slowly sawing of an individual's head. she doesn't like the fact that as a religious tradition they slaughter sheep? Muslims traditionally mark Eid al-Adha by slaughtering a sheep or another animal to commemorate the prophet Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his son on God's orders. Do you eat meat? then she wouldn't like you either. She doesn't like gays either. Bardot previously said France is being invaded by sheep-slaughtering Muslims and published a book attacking gays, immigrants and the unemployed, in which she also lamented the "Islamisation of France''. and one more thing France is home to 5 million Muslims, Europe's largest Muslim community, making up 8 per cent of France's population. eight percent of the population cannot oppress the other 92 percent, common sense dictates that one, the numbers ain't there, and they are not empowered. Bardot, seems to hate alot of people, meat eaters , gays and immigrants. Edited April 16, 2008 by kuzadd Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
Argus Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 eight percent of the population cannot oppress the other 92 percent, common sense dictates that one, the numbers ain't there, and they are not empowered. But these are Frenchmen. The French have surrendered to much smaller numbers than that before! Evidently they have long ago surrendered the right to free speech, too. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
kuzadd Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 But these are Frenchmen. The French have surrendered to much smaller numbers than that before!Evidently they have long ago surrendered the right to free speech, too. yes, let's promulgate sterotypes , instead of dealing with reality Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
Leafless Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 sense dictates that one, the numbers ain't there, and they are not empowered.Bardot, seems to hate alot of people, meat eaters , gays and immigrants. SO WHAT! Disliking something is personal opinion and I really don't know how this can be misconstrued as 'hate speech'. Quote
kuzadd Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) SO WHAT! Disliking something is personal opinion and I really don't know how this can be misconstrued as 'hate speech'. she can say whatever she wants, and so can I, get it? She seems to hate alot of people, muslims, gays, the unemployed, immigrants. But her rhetoric isn't born out by the facts. But hey if one prefers bullshit to reality fiction to facts , whatever floats your boat? she can lament the "Islamasation of France" along with every other fearmongering scapegoater, out there, but the stats don't bear that statement out. because: 8 percent of the population, particularily an unempowered 8 percent, can't oppress the 92 percent. Edited April 16, 2008 by kuzadd Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
sharkman Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 and one more thingeight percent of the population cannot oppress the other 92 percent, common sense dictates that one, the numbers ain't there, and they are not empowered. This is a noteworthy remark from you in that you feel Israel oppresses the Arab world time and time again, although Israel is greatly outnumbered. You also do not feel that the Arab world is oppressing Israel even with countless missile attacks by Hamas and others as well as Iran's repeated threats to wipe Israel off the map. These threats are a tiny bit worse than anything Bardot has said. Quote
Leafless Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 8 percent of the population, particularily an unempowered 8 percent, can't oppress the 92 percent. Eight percent cannot oppress but they can terrorize. So terrorism enforced anarchy is the answer, is it? Quote
kuzadd Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 Eight percent cannot oppress but they can terrorize. So terrorism enforced anarchy is the answer, is it? but eight percent are NOT terrorising. more rhetoric, no facts. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
kuzadd Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 This is a noteworthy remark from you in that you feel Israel oppresses the Arab world time and time again, although Israel is greatly outnumbered.You also do not feel that the Arab world is oppressing Israel even with countless missile attacks by Hamas and others as well as Iran's repeated threats to wipe Israel off the map. These threats are a tiny bit worse than anything Bardot has said. Gosh I never, ever said, that" Israel oppresses the arab world", could you back that up, or please not put words in my mouth. since you start out with a completely bogus statemtent wrt what I have ever said, I'll simply ignore the rest of your flawed argument. try again, and this time be accurate, k? Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
sharkman Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 Gosh I never, ever said, that" Israel oppresses the arab world", could you back that up, or please not put words in my mouth.since you start out with a completely bogus statemtent wrt what I have ever said, I'll simply ignore the rest of your flawed argument. try again, and this time be accurate, k? You are misquoting me, is that on purpose? I said you FEEL they oppress not that you said Israel oppresses the Arab world. (And nice sidestep on Iran's oppression. ) Read every comment you've ever made on Israel. Quote
kuzadd Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) You are misquoting me, is that on purpose?I said you FEEL they oppress not that you said Israel oppresses the Arab world. (And nice sidestep on Iran's oppression. ) Read every comment you've ever made on Israel. You know more know the way I "feel" then I know the way you feel. btw: that is kind of creepy get back to the facts and the topic at hand and don't put words in my mouth, nor assume you know my feelings. here's the facts 8 percent of the populations is muslim, therefore 92 percent is NOT ! the eight percent of the population are unempowered , largely impoverished, therefore it is not plausible they would be able to oppress the 92 percent. Leafless made a nonsensical aspersion wrt to the 8 percent being able "oppress" through terror. Not credible either nor statistically logical, see unempowered, and what percentage of the eight percent are actually involved in any sort of "terror" activities? give me some stats, please? Or all you have is aspersion, rhetoric, and hyperbole, which seems about right! Edited April 16, 2008 by kuzadd Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
DogOnPorch Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 eight percent of the population cannot oppress the other 92 percent, common sense dictates that one, the numbers ain't there, and they are not empowered. Seemed to exist in Rhodesia...Belgian Congo, Austro-Hungarian Empire, Ireland etc. So don't say the possible is impossible. ------------------------------------ The impossible often has a kind of integrity which the merely improbable lacks. ---Douglas Adams Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
sharkman Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 You know more know the way I "feel" then I know the way you feel.btw: that is kind of creepy What's creepy is the fact that you wear your feelings about Israel on your sleeve (so that everyone knows the way you feel about that particular nation), yet are completely unaware of this. That's why you can't hear about a muslim story without taking their side. Read every comment you've ever made on Muslims. Quote
guyser Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 She seems to hate alot of people, muslims, gays, the unemployed, immigrants. You forgot she hates Canucks. Something to do with pup seals being all cute and such. Kind of like her career , all cute but then she got old. Quote
jefferiah Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 she doesn't like the fact that as a religious tradition they slaughter sheep?Bardot, seems to hate alot of people, meat eaters , gays and immigrants. So what. I could care less who or what she hates. If she hates me or my family or whatever. You are missing the point here. Why is she being charged for it? Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
guyser Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 . Why is she being charged for it? Because there is a law in France that she contravened? Not once, not twice..... Quote
Leafless Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 but eight percent are NOT terrorising.more rhetoric, no facts. That what the facts are, its a mix of terrorism and Intifada. You know, Muslim youth see themselves as 'soldiers of Allah'. While one does not see for now, the conscious influence of any organisation --- despite past suspicions of the involvement of the Hizbut Tehrir, which advocates AGITPROP methods and not terrorism--- the new outbreak of violence in France has come in the wake of Al Qaeda'as decision of last year to adopt a mix of strategies to achieve its objective of a global Islamic Caliphate. The mix consists of terrorism and Intifada. http://southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpapers25%5Cpaper2480.html Quote
Leafless Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 Because there is a law in France that she contravened? Not once, not twice..... Sounds like screwed up Canada. Quote
Drea Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 You forgot she hates Canucks. Something to do with pup seals being all cute and such. Kind of like her career , all cute but then she got old. just an aside question -- does anyone know if the *cute baby sealmeat is wasted or eaten, and by whom? Veal is cute too, especially breaded... *not against the sealhunt... just use guns as it's more humane Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
BubberMiley Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 Why is she being charged for it? Who knows, but I've been told, over and over, by Conservative supporters that even though I am opposed to the current marijuana laws, I should suck it up and obey them. I guess that's just what we're supposed to be with irrational legislation. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
kuzadd Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 You forgot she hates Canucks. Something to do with pup seals being all cute and such. Kind of like her career , all cute but then she got old. gosh she hates Canadian's also! I feel better now, that I too, am amongst her most hated! i like the analogy, like her career , good one!!!! Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
kuzadd Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 So what. I could care less who or what she hates. If she hates me or my family or whatever. You are missing the point here. Why is she being charged for it? I don't know, what do the laws of France say? I guess then , we know why she is being charged? Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
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