Brigitte Bardot on trial for Muslim slur

[sharkman]

Actually, yes I get your point with Kosher slaughter, and understood it just as well the third time you expressed it. But I am not concerned about religious rituals like this. I just don't care.

I don't know where you get your information to suppose some think animals are our play things. The creation theory/doctrine says we are to be good stewards of all that God has given us.

Obviously we also disagree about evolution/creation as well, and as I said before, I am happy to let you believe what you will, until organisations that support your views and other more militant ones try to make it illegal for me to live as a Christian.

[WIP]

Actually, yes I get your point with Kosher slaughter, and understood it just as well the third time you expressed it. But I am not concerned about religious rituals like this. I just don't care.

I don't know where you get your information to suppose some think animals are our play things. The creation theory/doctrine says we are to be good stewards of all that God has given us.

Obviously we also disagree about evolution/creation as well, and as I said before, I am happy to let you believe what you will, until organisations that support your views and other more militant ones try to make it illegal for me to live as a Christian.

And, not that I want to beat a dead horse, but either kosher and halal butchery is humane, and the electric and gas stunning requirements should not be mandatory for meat processors, or it is inhumane and therefore should not be protected as religious expression. You can't have it both ways.

Apparently, Brigitte Bardot got into trouble for condemning the Muslim ritual for animal sacrifices during the "Festival of Sacrifice;" and this is an even bigger example of the protection of barbaric practises because of the undeserved respect and unqualified reverence for religious beliefs. Just try this at home and see how long it takes for the S.P.C.A. to have the cops at your door!

[jefferiah]

sorry Jefferiah, free speech has nothing to do with coercive tactics to manipulate. That is a whole subject to itself.

criticism doesn't reduce itself to name calling and smear, criticism is rational, logical and well thought out.

Thats ridiculous Kuzadd. Someone calling you a name does not infringe upon your right to free speech. You've done the same.

[Bonam]

all the people claiming free speech these days, seem to only want it so they can castigate muslims.

These same people who cry "free speech" have there noses all out of joint when one is critical of GWB, american foreign policy, anti-war people, criticism of Israels' human rights abuses, war crimes, etc., they are not concerned that people who express these opinions are also entitled to their opinion.

Yet time and time again, we see the people shouting anti-american, anti-semite, traitor, terrorist supporter, and every other label they can muster.

People want free speech so they can speak freely, not so they can castigate muslims. If speaking on certain topics is forbidden, then it's no longer free speech, that's the problem.

Also, there's a MAJOR difference between imprisoning/fining people for saying certain things and disagreeing/insulting them for saying certain things. I may strongly disagree with you on various issues about Israel, but I wouldn't say you should be imprisoned or fined for your views. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to disagree with it and say that it is wrong. What I'm not entitled to though is sending you to prison for holding an opinion that I consider wrong.

[Drea]

People want free speech so they can speak freely, not so they can castigate muslims. If speaking on certain topics is forbidden, then it's no longer free speech, that's the problem.

Also, there's a MAJOR difference between imprisoning/fining people for saying certain things and disagreeing/insulting them for saying certain things. I may strongly disagree with you on various issues about Israel, but I wouldn't say you should be imprisoned or fined for your views. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to disagree with it and say that it is wrong. What I'm not entitled to though is sending you to prison for holding an opinion that I consider wrong.

But one should not be able to incite hatred under the guise of free speech. There must be a line drawn.

[jefferiah]

But one should not be able to incite hatred under the guise of free speech. There must be a line drawn.

Interesting you should say so. I could easily dig up some quotes of your own on par with Miss Bardot's but aimed at Americans. That'll be 15 grand Drea. Are you willing to part with that money to back up your principle?

Edited April 29, 2008 by jefferiah

[Drea]

Interesting you should say so. I could easily dig up some quotes of your own on par with Miss Bardot's but aimed at Americans. That'll be 15 grand Drea. Are you willing to part with that money to back up your principle?

Dig them up then.

I do not believe I "incited" hatred towards anyone.

Of course there are some that think that disagreeing or criticism is hate speech. Those people are part of the problem not the solution.

[Argus]

But one should not be able to incite hatred under the guise of free speech. There must be a line drawn.

Why?

Has it ever been shown that nations which restrict such "hate speech" have less violence towards minorities than those which don't?

[M.Dancer]

Why?

Has it ever been shown that nations which restrict such "hate speech" have less violence towards minorities than those which don't?

Probably.....Tito's Yougoslavia comes to mind, the Ottoman empire....