Liberals Sit Out Most Votes of Any Party

Moonlight Graham · April 9, 2008

Dion is a great leader...

most people obviously disagree.

margrace · April 9, 2008

On the news this morning was the introduction of a new bill to protect Canadians from faulty products coming in from other countries. Specifically products that do not meet our standards. This is great news and I believe most Canadians will be happy with it.

On the other hand they have introduced a bill to speed up the approval of new drugs, with the recalls over the last several years and the fact that drugs on the marked have proven dangerous why would we speed up the approval system.

The news last night announced that these two bills were tied together and that they had to be passed jointly to prevent a non confidence vote in the Government.

Harper seems to be good at this way of putting his favourite bills through, this is how the Harris government did it in Ontario. Remember the omnibus bill which few elected afficials even had a chance to read.

DrGreenthumb · April 9, 2008

On the news this morning was the introduction of a new bill to protect Canadians from faulty products coming in from other countries. Specifically products that do not meet our standards. This is great news and I believe most Canadians will be happy with it.
On the other hand they have introduced a bill to speed up the approval of new drugs, with the recalls over the last several years and the fact that drugs on the marked have proven dangerous why would we speed up the approval system.

The news last night announced that these two bills were tied together and that they had to be passed jointly to prevent a non confidence vote in the Government.

Harper seems to be good at this way of putting his favourite bills through, this is how the Harris government did it in Ontario. Remember the omnibus bill which few elected afficials even had a chance to read.

HArper is corrupt, and terrible for Canada. Tony Clement, the health minister and pharmaceutical mogul, will love passing this law as it should increase his shareholders profits, at the expense of Canadians safety. It is a total conflict of interest to have someone who profits from the sale of pharmaceuticals as minister of health. Not surprisingly the government has also moved to increase the penalties for using plant based medicines that compete with Pharma-Tony's products. Six months mandaTORY in prison for growing a single cancer fighting cannabis plant, and speedier approval for chemical drugs from TONY. We need to throw these bums out.

M.Dancer · April 9, 2008

Six months mandaTORY in prison for growing a single cancer fighting cannabis plant, and speedier approval for chemical drugs from TONY. We need to throw these bums out.

Cancer fighting cannabis?

Pass the bong mate, you've had enough..

Edited April 9, 2008 by M.Dancer

margrace · April 9, 2008

One of the articles in the Globe and Mail this morning sites the lack of progress in Parlimentary committees and how the Tories are doing everything they can to block any progress.

"Parlimentary Gridlock sparks election talks" Isn't it time that Canadians woke up to the fact that it is Harper who wants to bring on an election and that he wants to be king.

White Doors · April 9, 2008

One of the articles in the Globe and Mail this morning sites the lack of progress in Parlimentary committees and how the Tories are doing everything they can to block any progress.
"Parlimentary Gridlock sparks election talks" Isn't it time that Canadians woke up to the fact that it is Harper who wants to bring on an election and that he wants to be king.

He already is King!

jbg · April 9, 2008

Harper seems to be good at this way of putting his favourite bills through, this is how the Harris government did it in Ontario. Remember the omnibus bill which few elected afficials even had a chance to read.

Harper is succeeding at governing as if he had a majority. Joe Who tried that to much lesser effect.

Are you saying that Harper should make minority government a suicide pact?

jbg · April 9, 2008

HArper is corrupt, and terrible for Canada. Tony Clement, the health minister and pharmaceutical mogul, will love passing this law as it should increase his shareholders profits, at the expense of Canadians safety. It is a total conflict of interest to have someone who profits from the sale of pharmaceuticals as minister of health. Not surprisingly the government has also moved to increase the penalties for using plant based medicines that compete with Pharma-Tony's products. Six months mandaTORY in prison for growing a single cancer fighting cannabis plant, and speedier approval for chemical drugs from TONY. We need to throw these bums out.

You avoided the use of the word "marijuana" but snuck it in anyway. Congrats.

Shakeyhands · April 9, 2008

Harper is succeeding at governing as if he had a majority. Joe Who tried that to much lesser effect.
Are you saying that Harper should make minority government a suicide pact?

Harper is succeeding due to a gaffe by the LPOC... Nothing to do with his skills.

Topaz · April 9, 2008

Harper is succeeding due to a gaffe by the LPOC... Nothing to do with his skills.

One could say that the Libs are better opposition party than Harper's were because they have proven they can pass bills if they think its in the best interest of Canada and also the passing of the bills leads to committees were the public can see what's good and bad about the bills. The only thing Harper had on his mind when he was in opposition was getting to the PMO not what was best for the country.

capricorn · April 9, 2008

One could say that the Libs are better opposition party than Harper's were because they have proven they can pass bills if they think its in the best interest of Canada and also the passing of the bills leads to committees were the public can see what's good and bad about the bills.

??

The only thing Harper had on his mind when he was in opposition was getting to the PMO not what was best for the country.

That's what all normal opposition parties want...to get to the PMO. Although the way the Liberals are propping up the Conservatives I'm thinking they may not be normal.

capricorn · April 10, 2008

Harper is succeeding due to a gaffe by the LPOC... Nothing to do with his skills.

Looks like the LPOC committed another gaffe just today.

The federal Liberals were taunted and ridiculed by opponents as they avoided triggering an election over immigration reforms they have spent weeks denouncing in the most scathing terms.
Their opponents in government and on the other opposition benches poured scorn on the party as it allowed the Tory government to survive yet another a confidence vote in the House of Commons.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home

Meanwhile the Conservatives gain more experience in handling the day to day business of governing the country.

The polls indicate the Conservatives will win another minority. Once Dion is booted as leader, the same old "new" Liberal team will be there and there's no indication the Liberals will act any differently with a new leader than they are now. This is not good news for the country that is crying out for a strong official opposition.

margrace · April 10, 2008

According to the opposition parties are accusing the Harper government of creating a grid lock by paralyzing key parlimentary Committees. The conservatives on these committes are fillibustering, walking out or otherwise obstructing the will of the opposition members.

This is in the Globe and Mail today. The title of the article is Parilimentary Grid Lock sparks election Talk.

gc1765 · April 10, 2008

Did you know that today 27,000 children will die of preventable diseases such as diarrhea, measles, and malnutrition? That's the same as if an airplane full of children crashed every 16 minutes, killing everyone onboard. - Aug. 2005 edition of 'Warcry', official magazine of the Salvation Army

Nice signature...

capricorn · April 10, 2008

This is in the Globe and Mail today. The title of the article is Parilimentary Grid Lock sparks election Talk.

Here's the link to that article margrace.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...ional/Politics/

DrGreenthumb · April 10, 2008

Cancer fighting cannabis?
Pass the bong mate, you've had enough..

Again you speak in ignorance. THC, the active ingredient in Cannabis, has been clinicly proven to kill all kinds of cancer cells and to shrink cancerous tumours. It is especially fast at killing glioma(brain cancer) and breast cancer cells. When applied to cancer cells on mice it killed the cancer cells and it did not affect the surrounding tissue.

Cannabis is the worlds safest medically active substance, treats dozens of conditions, and is only legal in synthetic patented form from pharma companies. Nobody has ever died from a cannabis overdose, it is impossible.

M.Dancer · April 10, 2008

Again you speak in ignorance. THC, the active ingredient in Cannabis, has been clinicly proven to kill all kinds of cancer cells and to shrink cancerous tumours. It is especially fast at killing glioma(brain cancer) and breast cancer cells. When applied to cancer cells on mice it killed the cancer cells and it did not affect the surrounding tissue.
Cannabis is the worlds safest medically active substance, treats dozens of conditions, and is only legal in synthetic patented form from pharma companies. Nobody has ever died from a cannabis overdose, it is impossible.

CITATION

DrGreenthumb · April 10, 2008

CITATION

http://medpot.net/forums//index.php?showto...1&hl=cancer

That link will take you to a collection of links to cannabis research done all over the world and reported in peer reviewed medical journals. Read whichever ones interest you, i'm not going to reread everything to find proof for you.

Charles Anthony · April 10, 2008

Everybody,

Stop the off-topic discussion.

madmax · April 10, 2008

Everybody,
Stop the off-topic discussion.

The Liberals backed down on the immigration bill.

M.Dancer · April 10, 2008

http://medpot.net/forums//index.php?showto...1&hl=cancer
That link will take you to a collection of links to cannabis research done all over the world and reported in peer reviewed medical journals. Read whichever ones interest you, i'm not going to reread everything to find proof for you.

I meant credible links, not some pot head propaganda site.

madmax · April 10, 2008

Everybody,
Stop the off-topic discussion.

And then....

I meant credible links, not some pot head propaganda site.

:rolleyes:

M.Dancer · April 10, 2008

And then....

Oh well....I didn't see Chuck Tony's post till after I responded to the pot propaganda

madmax · April 11, 2008

Oh well....I didn't see Chuck Tony's post till after I responded to the pot propaganda

I know, just having some fun...

Now, how about the Liberals? I have to say, since regrouping after the Bi Elections and seeing some Leftwing elements elected, they have been showing their toughness.

They chastise the government, and then with the behavioural activities of Gollum/Smeagol, vote with the Government on the very issue they chastise. Harper is calling them on it too.

This group of Federal Libs are having some "issues".

I don't recall this kind of nonsense last year, or perhaps not this extreme between hiding from a vote or supporting the government. I am not certain what it is all about, except to say, these guys are afraid.

The Libs numbers aren't even that bad in the polls, they are just afraid. The NDP has been showing some very weak numbers, (not that they didn't spend a decade at 6%) but certainly lower then 2006 numbers and they are calling the actions of the CPC as they see them. They are the only ones, ok sometimes the BQ, standing up to the CPC on issues that they oppose. But if the Libs oppose something, they either HIDE and disappear before the vote, or for the strangest reason, they vote WITH the government.

Why don't they just do a David Emerson, ask for the whole party to switch sides and join the CPC and they wouldn't have to suffer this embarrassment. The Handful of Liberals that actually might not support the position of the CPC could join the NDP or Sit as Independents.

Heck, maybe the Conservatives could take Garth Turner Back or he could sit alone, I don't think he has gained any prestige since joining Dions Circus crew.

You really have to wonder, how long can the Liberals fail to provide an effective official opposition while they figure out their strategy back to power? You can't put the people whom elected you to do a job on hold until you figure out a way to win???

Could you see Preston Manning, or Tommy Douglas, Ed Broadbent, say, wait a minute.... our principles of what we believe in are on hold, until we know we can win.

The Liberal Principles are that they are flexible and will say anything supporting polling information that can lead to a win. And the polls aren't telling them what the winning ticket is, and the rest of Canada is supposed to understand that the Liberals don't know what to do, but just bear with them, while they support the CPC.

jbg · April 13, 2008

Could you see Preston Manning, or Tommy Douglas, Ed Broadbent, say, wait a minute.... our principles of what we believe in are on hold, until we know we can win.

None of those three were ever in a position to trigger an election. It was easy for them to stand on principal.

The Liberal Principles are that they are flexible and will say anything supporting polling information that can lead to a win. And the polls aren't telling them what the winning ticket is, and the rest of Canada is supposed to understand that the Liberals don't know what to do, but just bear with them, while they support the CPC.

The Liberals have no discernable principals other than maybe opposing Quebec secession.