updated:US watch list at all time high again! 900,000

[kuzadd]

lol!

peace activists?

protestors?

ladies wearing too tight t's?

breast feeding mothers?

non-bush supporters?

people of different opinions?

How big will this list get, will everyone soon be on it??

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-1...POE=click-refer

WASHINGTON — The government's terrorist watch list has swelled to more than 755,000 names, according to a new government report that has raised worries about the list's effectiveness.

The size of the list, typically used to check people entering the country through land border crossings, airports and sea ports, has been growing by 200,000 names a year since 2004. Some lawmakers, security experts and civil rights advocates warn that it will become useless if it includes too many people.

Is the US just making everyone a 'terrorist" ?

ya know if you keep creating new laws, eventually everyone will be a criminal.

Keep making more "anti-terrorist" laws and soon everyone will be a terrorist.

if the list keeps growing at the rate of 200,000 a year, in 10 yrs there will be nearly 3 million people on that list.

[Leafless]

if the list keeps growing at the rate of 200,000 a year, in 10 yrs there will be nearly 3 million people on that list.

That is still a considerably low figure considering the U.S. accommodates 200-million visitors per year.

[bush_cheney2004]

if the list keeps growing at the rate of 200,000 a year, in 10 yrs there will be nearly 3 million people on that list.

3,000,000/6,600,000,000 = 0.000455

...child's play for an Oracle database.

[kuzadd]

considering one name on the list = more then one person.

The list actually affects substantially more people then named.

For example if the name Bob Smith was on the list.

How many people named Bob Smith are therefore on the list?

100, or 1000

Bob Smith

Bobby Smith

Robert Smith

could all be interpreted as Bob Smith.

therefore the list could already affect millions of people.

SCREENING FOR TERRORISM

The number of terror watch-list records [1] more than quadrupled over roughly a three-year period:

June 2004 158,374

May 2005 287,982

June 2006 515,906

May 2007 754,960

[1]: One record reflects one name but not necessarily one person.

Edited October 25, 2007 by kuzadd

[Topaz]

This is so stupid because its wasting precious money, and any terrorists who wants into the USA can do so easily! How do they know if they are already in the country. Good question is, who in the US helped the terrorists in the first place? If you believe that 'they" did all by themselves, then what stopping them now?

[Wilber]

When you think of the other regimes in history which have had watch lists of this magnitude, it is not reassuring news.

[daniel]

...

The number of terror watch-list records [1] more than quadrupled over roughly a three-year period:

June 2004 158,374

May 2005 287,982

June 2006 515,906

May 2007 754,960...

One wonders if the war on terror is working why is the list growing larger?

[betsy]

considering one name on the list = more then one person.

The list actually affects substantially more people then named.

For example if the name Bob Smith was on the list.

How many people named Bob Smith are therefore on the list?

100, or 1000

Bob Smith

Bobby Smith

Robert Smith

could all be interpreted as Bob Smith.

therefore the list could already affect millions of people.

Bob Smith???? You use the name Bob Smith as a freaking example????

How many Bob Smith do you find in your local mosque? Get real, girl.

Maybe you mean Bobed Smithowed, you might have a point.

Kidding aside, if the name Mohammed Ali is listed on that terror list, it is not surprising for that list to swell to that number. Let me put it this way, Mohammed sez it all.

Edited October 27, 2007 by betsy

[betsy]

One wonders if the war on terror is working why is the list growing larger?

Blame Mohammed!

If they show you the list, I'm willing to bet it's loaded with Mohammeds!

Anyway, why do you say the war on terror isn't going very well. In the US at least, it's going very well. One only has to look at the lack of attacks, AND the length of the list. The length of the list is indicative of the war going well. For our side.

Edited October 27, 2007 by betsy

[Moxie]

When you think of the other regimes in history which have had watch lists of this magnitude, it is not reassuring news.

It's down right scary, what constitutes a Terrorist these days in the US? Bra burning? Tree Hugging? Peaceniks? I don't like these groups much but restricting their access into the US (or US citizens exiting the US) is the first step towards a Communist Run State. Bush has already taken to many rights away from decent law abiding citizens in the name of terror. We know who want us dead, why not investigate them instead of eighty year old tree huggers who burn their bras? Ouch, that brought a nasty vision into my grey matter.

[daniel]

Blame Mohammed!

If they show you the list, I'm willing to bet it's loaded with Mohammeds!...

As well as Ted Kennedy's.

Now that I've commented, I wouldn't surprised if I've made it to the list tonight.

[Moxie]

As well as Ted Kennedy's.

Now that I've commented, I wouldn't surprised if I've made it to the list tonight.

LOL run Daniel runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. I'm not joking who knows what constitutes an infraction worthy of being placed on the No Fly list? On the upside the Snow Birds won't be rushing to spend their retirement dollars in the US for six months of the year anymore but on the upside no Quebecers wearing Speedos. Unwelcoming and a paranoid Bush have made going to the US unpleasant to say the least. Their dollar being less than ours why would they when Cuba is so cheap and friendly?

[bush_cheney2004]

Unwelcoming and a paranoid Bush have made going to the US unpleasant to say the least. Their dollar being less than ours why would they when Cuba is so cheap and friendly?

Because they want access to the US job market, distribution of goods, and investments. Try that in Cuba.

[daniel]

Because they want access to the US job market, distribution of goods, and investments. Try that in Cuba.

We did. And since you've implemented the Helms-Burdon Law, that's all I'll reveal about Cuba. I like things the way they are.

So now I'm really on the no Fly list.

[bush_cheney2004]

We did. And since you've implemented the Helms-Burdon Law, that's all I'll reveal about Cuba. I like things the way they are.

So now I'm really on the no Fly list.

Oh....you mean the Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity (Libertad) Act of 1996 (Helms-Burton Act, Pub.L. 104-114, 110 Stat. 785, 22 U.S.C. § 6021–6091).

Doesn't really matter.....many Canadians still want a piece of the much bigger action in the USA.

[daniel]

...Try that in Cuba.

Doesn't really matter.....

If I had said "Doesn't really matter" you wouldn't have believed me. I should have let you argue it out yourself.

[bush_cheney2004]

If I had said "Doesn't really matter" you wouldn't have believed me. I should have let you argue it out yourself.

But you didn't...choosing instead to drag out another excuse instead. Choices, choices, choices......Cuba is waiting with open arms.

[daniel]

...choosing instead to drag out another excuse instead. ...

Oh,oh, strawman in action.

[bush_cheney2004]

Oh,oh, strawman in action.

No, this would be a strawman:

"I can't fly to North Korea....and they don't even have a No-Fly List"

[Sulaco]

It's down right scary, what constitutes a Terrorist these days in the US? Bra burning? Tree Hugging? Peaceniks? I don't like these groups much but restricting their access into the US (or US citizens exiting the US) is the first step towards a Communist Run State. Bush has already taken to many rights away from decent law abiding citizens in the name of terror. We know who want us dead, why not investigate them instead of eighty year old tree huggers who burn their bras? Ouch, that brought a nasty vision into my grey matter.

What rights did he take away? Please specify.

[kuzadd]

Bob Smith???? You use the name Bob Smith as a freaking example????

How many Bob Smith do you find in your local mosque? Get real, girl.

Maybe you mean Bobed Smithowed, you might have a point.

Kidding aside, if the name Mohammed Ali is listed on that terror list, it is not surprising for that list to swell to that number. Let me put it this way, Mohammed sez it all.

Yah and lawyers are on that list, like Francis Anthony Boyle, an American citizen.

His name ain't mohammed.

hey Betsy

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/Home/De...mp;pageId=1.1.1

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- An 8-year-old Kansas boy is causing a national security stir after his name popped up on a no fly list and airlines banned him from flying in fear he might be a terrorist.

Bryan Moore's mother said she couldn't believe what she was hearing when her son couldn't fly home from a trip to see his sister, because his name appeared on a terrorist no-fly list.

Bryan Moore

Brian Moore

Bryan Moor

Brian Moor

how many people named that are on the list, oh 8 yr old little boys!!!

are you scared?!

http://www.komotv.com/news/archive/4153866.html

DES MOINES - Cecilia Beaman is a 57-year-old grandmother, a principal at Pacific Middle School in Des Moines, and as of Sunday is also a suspected terrorist.

"This is not right," she told us. It's not right!"

This past weekend she and several other chaperones took 37 middle school students to a Heritage Festival band competition in California. The trip included two days at Disneyland.

During the stay she made sandwiches for the kids and was careful to pack the knives she used to prepare those sandwiches in her checked luggage. She says she even alerted security screeners that the knives were in her checked bags and they told her that was OK.

But Beaman says she couldn't find a third knife. It was a 5 1/2 inch bread knife with a rounded tip and a serrated edge. She thought she might have lost or misplaced it during the trip.

On the trip home, screeners with the Transportation Security Administration at Los Angeles International Airport found it deep in the outside pocket of a carry-on cooler. Beaman apologized and told them it was a mistake.

"You've committed a felony," Beaman says a security screener announced. "And you're considered a terrorist."

WOW, she's a terrorist!!

soon we all will be.

Edited October 31, 2007 by kuzadd

[kuzadd]

When you think of the other regimes in history which have had watch lists of this magnitude, it is not reassuring news.

It is absolutely not reassuring news.

[kuzadd]

a little update to the terrorwatch list:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/20...watchlist_N.htm

15,000 want off the U.S. terror watch list

see the picture of the deadly terrorist on the site, OMG!!! Be afraid, be habitually afraid!!

The complaints have created such a backlog that members of Congress are calling for a speedier appeal system that would help innocent people clear their names so they won't fall under future suspicion. Among those who have been flagged at checkpoints: toddlers and senior citizens with the same names as suspected terrorists on the watch list.

got to watch out for those toddlers!

John Anderson of Minneapolis, who turned 6 on July 4, is among those who have been inconvenienced.

He was first stopped at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport in 2004, when his family took him for his first airplane ride to Disney World. "We checked in at the ticket counter, and the woman said in a stern voice, 'Who is John Anderson?' " says his mother, Christine Anderson. "I pointed to my stroller."

what a useless list , that will continue to get bigger and bigger and ever more useless.

[margrace]

We did. And since you've implemented the Helms-Burdon Law, that's all I'll reveal about Cuba. I like things the way they are.

So now I'm really on the no Fly list.

I know of Canadian who worked in Cuba, they had an agreement not to stamp their passport, so the Helms-Burdon Law did not affect them

[daniel]

I know of Canadian who worked in Cuba, they had an agreement not to stamp their passport, so the Helms-Burdon Law did not affect them

Shhh.... we weren't supposed to tell him that. But since he lost that argument, he said now it "doesn't really matter".