Why we don't fight in Darfur.

[WestViking]

IED's are not a show of cowardice in my opinion. They are the means which the freedom fighters in Iraq have at their disposal. I would question bombing civilians from 30,000' would be closer to cowardice. And I think that most of the freedom fighters would be equal to the task if they had to go hand to hand with American military as long as they had the same fighting equipment. I think that is where the American cowardice would become apparent. There is really no reason to call the freedom fighters cowards other than it suits your biased views.

I also have to wonder what motivated your brother. Was it boredom and a need to go kill people for excitement or was he motivated to fight for his country and honourable reasons such as that?

IEDs are not necessarily 'cowardly'. They are the means of killing an enemy without exposing yourself - a tactic useful to a fighting force without the means to carry out conventional warfare and completely acceptable as a terrorist tactic. In the same vain, seeding terrorist trails with land mines is a legitimate counter-terrorist measure.

The problem is that land mines also endanger the local population. So do IEDs. We don't use land mines.

I have a problem with 'freedom fighters' who use a vehicle loaded with explosives to blow up men, women and children at the local market without discrimination. If they can murder local citizens without conscience, who are they fighting to 'free'?? They are as likely to be 'freedom fighters' as you are to be a banana.

Edited March 12, 2008 by WestViking

[White Doors]

Anyone for a small pool?

Just pick a date you think the above will be suspended.....

Mine is march 16th

Put me down for March 24 Morris.

[White Doors]

I find it interesting, people like you. Your profile is empty. No location, nothing really much about you. Hiding behind the internet....

1) These same "freedom" fighters are the same people that go into markets with ordinary people and blow themselves up, killing children and women "to make a point". How nice.

2) The US bombs from above because it's their(our) competitive advantage. They do not target civilians on purpose, but as with war, sometimes the inevitable happens.

3)My brother joined the military because it was something that he enjoyed, he wanted to fight for his country, and wanted to kill some Taliban because they are a bunch of tossers.

3) If you stop reading at the Daily Kos, you will find that there is some progress being made over in Iraq and Afghanistan and that our soldiers actually do care about what they are doing and that it's not all about killing.

4) IED's are cowardice because they are left under some road somewhere for anyone to hit. Faceless killing.

5)They are NOT freedom fighters because they are fighting for misguided religious beliefs.

Good post Cameron. I agree 100%. kudos to your brother.

[AngusThermopyle]

Anyone for a small pool?

Just pick a date you think the above will be suspended.....

I'd say somewhere around the end of the month....hmmmm....March 31st.

I'll miss him though, just like chauchee. Its always fun to read the ignorant rants of the uninformed and egotistical. A never ending source of amusement.

[M.Dancer]

They are the means which the freedom fighters in Iraq have at their disposal.as that?

Freedom Fighters?

Please elucidate which freedoms they are fighting for?

[Drea]

Freedom from occupation.

Friggin' duh.

If China invades the USA to "take away it's WMD", or "assist in the democratic process" or "rid the world of a brutal dictator" or "rebuild foreclosed neighbourhoods"... would American citizens be considered freedom fighters, insurgents or terrorists?

Me thinks they would call themselves freedom fighters.

[M.Dancer]

Freedom from occupation.

Friggin' duh.

If China invades the USA to "take away it's WMD", or "assist in the democratic process" or "rid the world of a brutal dictator" or "rebuild foreclosed neighbourhoods"... would American citizens be considered freedom fighters, insurgents or terrorists?

Me thinks they would call themselves freedom fighters.

It would be quicker to rid themselves of foriegn soldiers if they stopped attacking their own people.

Edited March 12, 2008 by M.Dancer

[bush_cheney2004]

Freedom from occupation....

Me thinks they would call themselves freedom fighters.

Of course, and back home, closer to reality, isn't that what the OPP calls native bands...."Freedom Fighters"?

[Army Guy]

If China invades the USA to "take away it's WMD", or "assist in the democratic process" or "rid the world of a brutal dictator" or "rebuild foreclosed neighbourhoods"... would American citizens be considered freedom fighters, insurgents or terrorists?

Your confusing the 2 terms, one could be a freedom fighter, fighting for a cause, but as soon as he commits an act of terrorism he becomes a terrorist....

[UShaditComing]

Shii, Sunnis, Kurds, are all fighting each other in Iraq for reasons which are historical and mainly because of Western meddling but I think it would be too deep for this forum to understand at this point. There is a lot of work to do first before we get complicated. Suffice to say that it's the violence which Saddam had under control in his country. But having to use heavyhanded measures offered a good opportunity for the US to demonize him and make him out to be a brutal dictator. Had the West not created the problem to begin with he wouldn't have had to use heavyhanded measures.

Saddam had created a country where all religions had freedom to practice and women were equals to men in society and worked in professional careers alongside of Iraqi men. It will take decades, if ever, to restore Iraq to that kind of peace and prosperity. Probably never because the US obviously doen't want any ME Arab country to become powerful again. The US needs to force it's will on the people of the Arabian peninsula.

These are some of the simple facts and Osama wasn't confused in the least on what the facts were. That is why he attacked the US on 9/11 and that is why the US had it coming.

Among other US crimes against his people of course.

[UShaditComing]

Your confusing the 2 terms, one could be a freedom fighter, fighting for a cause, but as soon as he commits an act of terrorism he becomes a terrorist....

You sonny boy are way out of your league and you shouldn't be doing this. I give you this advice for your own good. One person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist. Work on understanding that for a while.

[MontyBurns]

Shii, Sunnis, Kurds, are all fighting each other in Iraq for reasons which are historical and mainly because of Western meddling but I think it would be too deep for this forum to understand at this point. There is a lot of work to do first before we get complicated. Suffice to say that it's the violence which Saddam had under control in his country. But having to use heavyhanded measures offered a good opportunity for the US to demonize him and make him out to be a brutal dictator. Had the West not created the problem to begin with he wouldn't have had to use heavyhanded measures.

Saddam had created a country where all religions had freedom to practice and women were equals to men in society and worked in professional careers alongside of Iraqi men. It will take decades, if ever, to restore Iraq to that kind of peace and prosperity. Probably never because the US obviously doen't want any ME Arab country to become powerful again. The US needs to force it's will on the people of the Arabian peninsula.

These are some of the simple facts and Osama wasn't confused in the least on what the facts were. That is why he attacked the US on 9/11 and that is why the US had it coming.

Among other US crimes against his people of course.

I see we are supporting terrorists again. Are you from the middle east or something?

[UShaditComing]

I see we are supporting terrorists again. Are you from the middle east or something?

If people like you would try to rebut the facts as opposed to trying to insult others this forum could be a much better place.

[Shady]

But having to use heavyhanded measures offered a good opportunity for the US to demonize him and make him out to be a brutal dictator.

Saddam had created a country where all religions had freedom to practice and women were equals to men in society and worked in professional careers alongside of Iraqi men. It will take decades, if ever, to restore Iraq to that kind of peace and prosperity

That's the best revisionist history I've ever read. What kind of peace and prosperity are you talking about?

[UShaditComing]

That's the best revisionist history I've ever read. What kind of peace and prosperity are you talking about?

Do your homework at sub-committe level before bringing uninformed questions to me.

[Shady]

Saddam had created a country where all religions had freedom to practice

You are a liar. I'm sorry, I don't like calling people liars, but there's no other term that I can use to describe you. You are either purposely, or unknowingly stating incorrect information.

HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS MAKE SHIITE PILGRIMAGE TO KARBALA

Exercising their new-found religious freedom, hundreds of thousands of Shiites marched to the Holy City of Karbala in Iraq on Tuesday, in a pilgrimage long banned by Saddam Hussein's regime.

PBS

[UShaditComing]

You see folks, this example of shady's silliness is why sub-committees are important. Had he talked to his supporters he would have been informed ahead of time that what he is doing is waving the flag for what the US has created in Iraq. Namely, a Shiite dominated society which allows no other religious persuasion to exist and which in going to align itself closely with Iran, itself being a Shiite dominated nation. And all along Saddam allowed freedom of various religious persuasions including Chrisitanity and only needed an ocassional heavy hand to keep his country together.

Duhhhhhhhhh!

[Shady]

You see folks, this example of shady's silliness is why sub-committees are important. Had he talked to his supporters he would have been informed ahead of time that what he is doing is waving the flag for what the US has created in Iraq. Namely, a Shiite dominated society which allows no other religious persuasion to exist and which in going to align itself closely with Iran, itself being a Shiite dominated nation. And all along Saddam allowed freedom of various religious persuasions including Chrisitanity and only needed an ocassional heavy hand to keep his country together.

Duhhhhhhhhh!

Yeah, that must be it!

[UShaditComing]

Yeah, that must be it!

Well, is it true or not sonny boy? The US is even now using as an excuse the need to stay in Iraq to protect the Sunnis and the Kurds because they're toast as soon as the Shiites get to them.

I 'TOLD' you and I 'TOLD' you repeatedly the other day to do your homework on the satellite issue but you just didn't want to listen. Now look at the mess you have yourself in!

[AngusThermopyle]

and only needed an ocassional heavy hand to keep his country together.

Wow!

It must be because we apply entirely different standards to life or something but it would never occur to me to consider using chemical weapons on, what was it again, thousands I believe, of his people to be nothing but an occasional heavy hand. Nice to see you giving a pass to this scum and ignoring what is considered today as an act of genocide.

Now what was the name of that planet you're walking around on, cos it sure aint the earth I live on.

I 'TOLD' you and I 'TOLD' you repeatedly the other day to do your homework on the satellite issue but you just didn't want to listen. Now look at the mess you have yourself in! laugh.gif

Actually he did do his "homework" on the satellite issue. It was you who offered up opinion pieces and touted them as gospel. It was you who refused to provide any credible proof. And it was you who refused to answer my query regarding official Canadian policy in Afghanistan. I suggest you take your own rather condescending and ignorant advice and do your "homework".

Edited March 13, 2008 by AngusThermopyle

[guyser]

If people like you would try to rebut the facts as opposed to trying to insult others this forum could be a much better place.

We are insulted daily by your stupidity so what gives?

[UShaditComing]

Wow!

It must be because we apply different standards to life or something but it would never occur to me to consider using chemical weapons on, what was it again, thousands I believe, of his people to be nothing but an occasional heavy hand. Nice to see you giving a pass to this scum and ignoring what is considered today as an act of genocide.

Now what was the name of that planet you're walking around on, cos it sure aint the earth I live on.

The question of whether or not Saddam used chem/bios on his own people is another one altogether. According to Stephen Pelletiere, it's likely that he didn't. They killed Saddam without investigating that question further because of the inconvenient facts of the matter. They now want socalled Chem ali handed over because of what he might say.

The entire issue deserves a thread of it's own. Not here please.

[guyser]

You said.....

Saddam had created a country where all religions had freedom to practice and women were equals to men in society and worked in professional careers alongside of Iraqi men

And when your hypothesis is blown apart, obliterated , relegated to the dung pile by posters who talk about chemical gassing of his own citizens, you come back with this.....

The question of whether or not Saddam used chem/bios on his own people is another one altogether.

The entire issue deserves a thread of it's own. Not here please.

It doesnt deserve a thread of its own. It is easily linked to this, except it doubly proves you to be less honest and forthright than anyone here could fathom.

Obstruct, lie, obfuscate, ......and you call the Americans bad?

[UShaditComing]

You said.....

And when your hypothesis is blown apart, obliterated , relegated to the dung pile by posters who talk about chemical gassing of his own citizens, you come back with this.....

It doesnt deserve a thread of its own. It is easily linked to this, except it doubly proves you to be less honest and forthright than anyone here could fathom.

Obstruct, lie, obfuscate, ......and you call the Americans bad?

I have been asked by the moerators to either ignore this kind of thing or keep it on topic.

If you haven't been warned yet too then maybe you should be.

Start another thread if you want to learn some facts.

[Shady]

Obstruct, lie, obfuscate, ......and you call the Americans bad?

Exactly. It's a pretty grotesque form of discussion, if one can even describe it as discussion.

According to Stephen Pelletiere, it's likely that he didn't.

And there's many sources that insist he did. As to Stephen Pelletiere, do you agree with some of his other assessments? Like his assertion of Saddam's human rights abuses, or that there were justifications for invading Iraq, but that Halabja wasn't one of them?