eyeball Posted January 8, 2008 Report Posted January 8, 2008 Al Qaeda is redeploying to Pakistan. Makes sense when you think about it. These guys have evolved into experts at expanding quagmires. The New York Times said on Sunday the U.S. government was considering expanding the authority of the CIA and the military to conduct far more aggressive covert operations in Pakistan.The U.S. officials considering the move were concerned over intelligence reports that al Qaeda and the Taliban were more intent on destabilizing Pakistan, the newspaper said. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080107/wl_nm/...INYceTdX.6s0NUE This just keeps getting better all the time doesn't it? Look on the bright side though, maybe the intelligence reports are wrong, its been known to happen. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Brain Candy Posted January 8, 2008 Report Posted January 8, 2008 "We are continuing in the same policy to make America bleed profusely to the point of bankruptcy," -OBL Maybe thats the plan, juggle americas military focus this way and that, only a couple real signs of action per week, and the debt goes soaring higher and higher. Who knows how many people they got scattered around the middle east? It could go on forever. Quote Freedom- http://www.nihil.org/
eyeball Posted January 8, 2008 Author Report Posted January 8, 2008 Yep, these guys have learned a thing or two about taking out super-powers and they seem to be getting better at it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest American Woman Posted January 8, 2008 Report Posted January 8, 2008 Yep, these guys have learned a thing or two about taking out super-powers and they seem to be getting better at it. While you obviously don't agree with U.S. military policies, do you have any concern over what you see as Al Qaeda's success? What do you think will happen when/if they are able "take out super powers?" Do you see this as a problem for the world, or only for the U.S.? How do you think it would affect Canada? Quote
buffycat Posted January 8, 2008 Report Posted January 8, 2008 The surge is working just fine - very well in fact. Just NOT for the Iraqi people or the US taxpayers!! The MIC is very happy though!! Chaaaaching!!$$!! Quote "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ~ Ghandi
White Doors Posted January 8, 2008 Report Posted January 8, 2008 uhhh... The SURGE is in Iraq. The Taliban is in Afghanistan and Pakistan... Just so you know.. Carry on. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
GostHacked Posted January 8, 2008 Report Posted January 8, 2008 uhhh... The SURGE is in Iraq. The Taliban is in Afghanistan and Pakistan...Just so you know.. Carry on. This is an important fact to consider for this thread. But I can see how one can make the mistake when the MSM tells about Al-Queda operations in Iraq, ... or are they foreign fighters from Syria and Iran? Or is Iran supplying weapons to Al-Queda in Iraq. War on terror is a farce or OBL would have been dealt with in Afghanistan. Instead he moved into a Pakistan which has high US support and backs Mushareff. Why would Mushareff not allow the US to get OBL? Or why would Pakistan not even go on a large hunt for the man, they know that if OBL is in Pakistan, then shit will happen. Why has that not happened yet? Misdirection and confusion is what they want us to see. Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 8, 2008 Report Posted January 8, 2008 Yep, these guys have learned a thing or two about taking out super-powers and they seem to be getting better at it. Really? Who Al Qaeda? How many super powers have they taken out? The reason Al Qaeda is abandoniong Iraq is they got there asses handed to them so bad that even those who they would have normally counted on have turned their backs on them. Their prestige is low. Osama predicted victory in Afganistan in 02 and he fled, he predicted victory in iraq too....no doubt just before the fall of Al Qaeda in Pakistan he will predict victory.... comfort yourself Eyeball, your long awaited fall of the West will be put off a bit longer Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted January 8, 2008 Report Posted January 8, 2008 The surge is working just fine - very well in fact. Just NOT for the Iraqi people or the US taxpayers!! To bad buffy, as per usual, wrong again. Iraq deaths since the surge have dropped dranatically. The monthly average was around 1,500 pre surge (Aug-07 1,674 -Jul-07 1,690 -Jun-07 1,345 -May-07 1,980 -Apr-07 1,821- Mar-07 2,977 ) to where in December only 548 were killed. http://icasualties.org/oif/ Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
kengs333 Posted January 8, 2008 Report Posted January 8, 2008 So what's become of that general who was shuffled of to some remote post after he claimed that the Americans would need way more troops than they were committing? The US military seems to have problems with respecting people who know what they're talking about. Quote
sharkman Posted January 8, 2008 Report Posted January 8, 2008 Even with the surge, did the U.S. employ any more soldiers than their initial numbers? I thought they hadn't, which would not help this general's cause. Quote
GostHacked Posted January 8, 2008 Report Posted January 8, 2008 Even with the surge, did the U.S. employ any more soldiers than their initial numbers? I thought they hadn't, which would not help this general's cause. The troop surge was a small increase in total troops that did not reach the initial invasion force numbers. After reducing the number of troops in Iraq for a couple years straight. Quote
JerrySeinfeld Posted January 8, 2008 Report Posted January 8, 2008 Yes - it could NEVER have POSSIBLY been any decision made by GW Bush. This clever NY Times drivel sounds eerily similar to the old "the Berlin Wall would have fell anyway" schtick so common when the "dumb right wing cowboy" turns out to have been absolutely right in the face of years of whining by the loonie ivory tower left. Quote
eyeball Posted January 10, 2008 Author Report Posted January 10, 2008 While you obviously don't agree with U.S. military policies, do you have any concern over what you see as Al Qaeda's success? What do you think will happen when/if they are able "take out super powers?" Do you see this as a problem for the world, or only for the U.S.? How do you think it would affect Canada? Of course I see it as a problem. I'm deeply concerned for the entire planet and everyone that calls it home. If you think the impact we're having to the ecosystems of this planet is a problem now, just wait until we're in an economic depression in a world filled with hate. I admit it I'm terrorized. My comment about super-powers going down stems from the OBL quote that Brain Candy posted "We are continuing in the same policy to make America bleed profusely to the point of bankruptcy,". The Soviet Union dashed a good part of itself to pieces against Afghanistan while sinking in an economic quagmire similar to the one OBL says he's preparing for the U.S. I'm certainly no military buff but isn't it smart tactics to lead your enemy into a swamp so you can finish him off? Its what I'd do. Like the old Soviet Union was before it, the US is mired in a worsening economic situation at home and a disaster of its own making abroad - against the same people. Al Queada, the Taliban, Islamofacists, Pakoslamists, call them whatever you like for all I care. THEM as opposed too...I'm sorry, but I just can't make myself say it because I've never believed a single word of it. Misdirection and confusion doesn't nearly capture the sheer stupidity of it all. Contrary to what some would have you think of me I won't be dancing in the streets with my bullseye poster if the U.S. does go down. I imagine I might feel at least one cold 'I told you so' moment however. Who wouldn't after 7 years of the shit and abuse that traitorous skeptics like me have been subjected to? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
gc1765 Posted January 11, 2008 Report Posted January 11, 2008 Iraq deaths since the surge have dropped dranatically. I'd like to share with you all an important parable: Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm! Lisa: That’s specious reasoning, dad. Homer: Why thank you, honey. Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away. Homer: Hmm. How does it work? Lisa:It doesn’t work; it’s just a stupid rock! Homer:Uh-huh. Lisa: But I don’t see any tigers around, do you? Homer: Hmm... Lisa, I want to buy your rock. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
M.Dancer Posted January 11, 2008 Report Posted January 11, 2008 I'd like to share with you all an important parable: Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm! Lisa: That’s specious reasoning, dad. Homer: Why thank you, honey. Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away. Homer: Hmm. How does it work? Lisa:It doesn’t work; it’s just a stupid rock! Homer:Uh-huh. Lisa: But I don’t see any tigers around, do you? Homer: Hmm... Lisa, I want to buy your rock. Well if cartoons are all you have....are you contesting the fact that deaths have dropped sharply or are you content that everyone knows you are a Simpsons fan? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Oleg Bach Posted January 11, 2008 Report Posted January 11, 2008 Well if cartoons are all you have....are you contesting the fact that deaths have dropped sharply or are you content that everyone knows you are a Simpsons fan? The "surge" is a dumb term..it actually means having enough men on the ground to actually do the job - to bad they had to lose a few thousand by being so cheap - but as all hostile corporate take overs are, are done on the cheap. Hopefully Dick Cheney want the aquistion that is Iraq for nothing. That really can piss of a nation - who I am sure would have complied with the will of Cheney IF he had not been so cheap and paid them properly. So NOW they have the "surge". It was not that Cheney deserved anymore money - congress had no choice - instead of doing it FOR Cheney - congress was forced to do it FOR America - just to many dead soldiers and more death would have caused a serious domestic crisis - maybe even violence in the streets regarding the war. The so-called "surge" is working because NOW the cheap corporate oil merchants are being bailed out by the tax payer for horrible game playing and mismanagement of the first clearly corporate hostile take over of a nation - this is the height of big buisness - Hope these high powered merchant coroportates have learned that you have to actually spend money to make money - For what was spent in Iraq militarily - THEY COULD HAVE BRIBED EVERY LAST MAN WOMAN AND CHILD - BUT NOOOOOO...They were just to cheap - now they pay - BUT America is left unsatisfied and Iraq is unsatisfied - Cheney and the boys blew it - in real life he would have been fired by the share holders by now - seeing that american tax payers have no rights in the company call Amerca - Cheney sits secure - and shameless - what a pitiful looser with the worst buisness sense no the planet! Quote
gc1765 Posted January 11, 2008 Report Posted January 11, 2008 Well if cartoons are all you have....are you contesting the fact that deaths have dropped sharply or are you content that everyone knows you are a Simpsons fan? No, I have never contested the fact that deaths have dropped...and Lisa never contested the fact that the number of bears decreased after the creation of the Bear Patrol. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
M.Dancer Posted January 11, 2008 Report Posted January 11, 2008 No, I have never contested the fact that deaths have dropped...and Lisa never contested the fact that the number of bears decreased after the creation of the Bear Patrol. So what is it exactly you are having a hard time expressing? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Oleg Bach Posted January 11, 2008 Report Posted January 11, 2008 So what is it exactly you are having a hard time expressing? Cryptic talk? Quote
gc1765 Posted January 11, 2008 Report Posted January 11, 2008 So what is it exactly you are having a hard time expressing? Well, if my cartoon analogy was too complicated, I'll put it another way...just because two things are correlated does not necessarily mean that one is causing the other. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
M.Dancer Posted January 11, 2008 Report Posted January 11, 2008 Well, if my cartoon analogy was too complicated, I'll put it another way...just because two things are correlated does not necessarily mean that one is causing the other. Fair enough. Why do you think the civilian killings have dropped by about 64% if not for the increased activity? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
gc1765 Posted January 11, 2008 Report Posted January 11, 2008 Fair enough. Why do you think the civilian killings have dropped by about 64% if not for the increased activity? I don't know...nor do I presume to know. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
M.Dancer Posted January 11, 2008 Report Posted January 11, 2008 I don't know...nor do I presume to know. You have no problem presuming to question the logical answer. That a US surge along with a greater capacity by Iraqi troops as well as war fatigue by insurgents, the dismantling of Al Qaeda in Iraq and greater political involvement by Sunnia and Shia have made a differnce. None of these things have happened in isolation with each other. Security was paramount. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
gc1765 Posted January 11, 2008 Report Posted January 11, 2008 You have no problem presuming to question the logical answer. Are you saying that we shouldn't question it? That we should just accept it as fact? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
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