Conservative attack ads

noahbody · July 4, 2009

That the judge may give a higher sentence?

A mandatory minimum doesn't take that away.

Alta4ever · July 4, 2009

Really? You have seen flyers that accuse the other parties of supporting pedophiles.
I think this is going to hit the Tories square on the chin.

That 10% said nothing about the bloc supporting pedophiles, those are your words. I thought you were about attributing your words to those of others. What it is saying is that the bloc is voting against measures that will further protect children.

jdobbin · July 4, 2009

That 10% said nothing about the bloc supporting pedophiles, those are your words. I thought you were about attributing your words to those of others. What it is saying is that the bloc is voting against measures that will further protect children.

Please. The picture of a man leading a boy away. Pure gutter politics.

You think this is a winning formula?

jdobbin · July 4, 2009

A mandatory minimum doesn't take that away.

So if a judge can be trusted to give a higher sentence but can't be trusted for any other decision?

Alta4ever · July 4, 2009

Please. The picture of a man leading a boy away. Pure gutter politics.
You think this is a winning formula?

The CPC did not print what you are insinuating.

What is actually printed on the brouchure

“The Bloc prefers sweet deals for criminals. That's unacceptable,”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politi...article1204745/

I thought you delt in the facts Dobbin.

capricorn · July 4, 2009

Please. The picture of a man leading a boy away.

It is every parent's worst nightmare, be it a boy or a girl.

Pure gutter politics.

It is more realistic and believable than "soldiers in our streets".

jdobbin · July 4, 2009

It is every parent's worst nightmare, be it a boy or a girl.

And you believe it will be a winning strategy for the Tories?

It is more realistic and believable than "soldiers in our streets".

And will help the Tories do fantastic in Quebec? Or do you think it will get the same reaction of disgust for the party that runs the ad?

jdobbin · July 4, 2009

The CPC did not print what you are insinuating.
What is actually printed on the brouchure

I thought you delt in the facts Dobbin.

I am looking at the picture. Deal with that fact.

punked · July 4, 2009

It wont work in Quebec. Maybe in BC but not Quebec. Stuff like this does not play well there. Any bleeding from the Bloc will go to the Liberals or NDP anyway, all the Conservative support has gone to the Liberals they are the ones they need to attack in Quebec.

Alta4ever · July 4, 2009

I am looking at the picture. Deal with that fact.

J Dobbin said "Really? You have seen flyers that accuse the other parties of supporting pedophiles."

I saw no such accusation printed on the flyer.

Whats was printed on the flyer "“The Bloc prefers sweet deals for criminals. That's unacceptable,” "

jdobbin · July 4, 2009

Whats was printed on the flyer "“The Bloc prefers sweet deals for criminals. That's unacceptable,” "

Stop being so obtuse. The message was clear in the picture. What sort of crime do you think was taking place in the picture?

I think you are going to find that that Quebecer are not going to be looking kindly on these pedophile accusations.

Shady · July 4, 2009

The view from the BQ

The fact that you're defending a national seperatist party is more then a little disappointing.

and one shared by some legal experts

You say some legal experts? Wow, that's a strong argument. I can find "some" legal experts to share many different opinions.

is that judges should have more discretion in sentencing

We've already tried that, and its failed miserably. Violent criminals are getting smaller and smaller sentences, thanks to the bleeding hearts of LIberals and NDP. Canadians are tired of it.

The Tories frame the question as just about pedophiles.

No, they're using it as an example. An example in which many Canadians can relate to. You're just upset, because it's an effective ad, and once again, the Liberals have been outplayed in the political arena. Go whine and cry somewhere else.

jdobbin · July 4, 2009

The fact that you're defending a national seperatist party is more then a little disappointing.

I don't think I have defended them. I am saying that the ad will do the opposite of what the Tories want.

You say some legal experts? Wow, that's a strong argument. I can find "some" legal experts to share many different opinions.

That's fine. One thing is certain is that when you have one size fits all sentencing, you can expect wasteful results.

We've already tried that, and its failed miserably. Violent criminals are getting smaller and smaller sentences, thanks to the bleeding hearts of LIberals and NDP. Canadians are tired of it.

Then I expect this ad will achieve amazing results. As I said, don't be surprised if the campaign is received negatively.

No, they're using it as an example. An example in which many Canadians can relate to. You're just upset, because it's an effective ad, and once again, the Liberals have been outplayed in the political arena. Go whine and cry somewhere else.

The whining and crying seems to be from the right wing who can't fathom why their negative ad campaigns can't put them in majority territory. Harper is already in the toilet in Quebec. Is he trying to do even worse?

Argus · July 4, 2009

It wont work in Quebec. Maybe in BC but not Quebec. Stuff like this does not play well there. Any bleeding from the Bloc will go to the Liberals or NDP anyway, all the Conservative support has gone to the Liberals they are the ones they need to attack in Quebec.

Not so sure. Oh of course the majority of Quebecois won't like it. That goes without saying. But political advertising isn't aimed at the majority. The majority of votes are already pretty much set in stone. The Tories are not looking to appeal to them. They're looking to appeal to that smaller subset who are unsure, and even more specifically, to those who are more conservative, and who feel strongly about crime issues.

Politics is like that. You really don't care if you piss off people who are never going to vote for you anyway. The Liberals know this. That's why they pour scorn on the west, and on religious people, and make big scary noises about them. They know those people are pretty much a lost cause to them anyway, so why not use them to scare up votes from more liberal urban dwellers in Ontario and Quebec?

Argus · July 4, 2009

And they are in the gutter like this?

In the gutter? They're criticising the blockheads for not voting for a crime bill. What's in the gutter about that? As compared to your party doing the "soldiers in our streets" ad, or all your scary ads about the Tories wanting to destroy health care? At least this one is honest.

jdobbin · July 4, 2009

In the gutter? They're criticising the blockheads for not voting for a crime bill. What's in the gutter about that? As compared to your party doing the "soldiers in our streets" ad, or all your scary ads about the Tories wanting to destroy health care? At least this one is honest.

And you think the soldiers in the streets ad worked? It didn't. Just as the twisted face of Chretien ad didn't work for the Tories.

I think this ad is going to be about as successful. Or do you think it is a winning formula for turning things around in Quebec?

Edited July 4, 2009 by jdobbin

jdobbin · July 4, 2009

Not so sure. Oh of course the majority of Quebecois won't like it. That goes without saying. But political advertising isn't aimed at the majority. The majority of votes are already pretty much set in stone. The Tories are not looking to appeal to them. They're looking to appeal to that smaller subset who are unsure, and even more specifically, to those who are more conservative, and who feel strongly about crime issues.

Given how low the Tories are in the polls, I don't that this sub-set they are trying to appeal to in Quebec is enough to win seats.

Argus · July 4, 2009

Given how low the Tories are in the polls, I don't that this sub-set they are trying to appeal to in Quebec is enough to win seats.

How long have you been involved in politics that you don't understand the importance of small subsets in specific ridings?

Anyway, I really don't know if ads like this will work or not. The tories don't have a good history in terms of advertising and communication. But I have no moral qualms about them calling a spade a spade. The BQ are soft on crime - as are the Liberals.

jdobbin · July 4, 2009

How long have you been involved in politics that you don't understand the importance of small subsets in specific ridings?

Long enough to know that if they are not concentrated in certain ridings, you don't win seats.

The Tories are so low in the polls now in Quebec that they are in danger of losing all their seats. The crime issue seems a poor choice for them to dislodge the BQ if the style of politics turns off other potential Tory votes.

And there are potential Tory votes in Quebec.

Anyway, I really don't know if ads like this will work or not. The tories don't have a good history in terms of advertising and communication. But I have no moral qualms about them calling a spade a spade. The BQ are soft on crime - as are the Liberals.

And therefore an ad with a man leading a child away is the proper form of ad to show that?

The Tory use of negative ads has not got them to majority territory. In fact ads that go over the top can come back and kick you in the teeth.

Edited July 4, 2009 by jdobbin

Sir Bandelot · July 4, 2009

This ad is offensive in political nature, implying that the Bloc would allow this man to abuse children, which is utterly ludicrous.

The problem with the Tories is that they frequently underestimate the intelligence of Canadians... perhaps because of their constituency.

Argus · July 4, 2009

This ad is offensive in political nature, implying that the Bloc would allow this man to abuse children, which is utterly ludicrous.

Why is it ludicrous? It's true. Our cities are filed with convicted child sex offenders because bleeding heart judges and liberal laws give them a slap on the wrist then send them back out on the street - again and again and again and again.

The problem with the Tories is that they frequently underestimate the intelligence of Canadians

Funny, I'd have said the reverse. For many years the Tories overestimated the intelligence of Canadian voters. They spoke to them like adults, spoke truth, gave honest opinions, and were crushed at the polls by the Liberals, who lied through their teeth every election, made promises they never had any intention of keeping. If there is one common theme which consistently ran through Liberal political advertising over the last thirty years it is "You CAN have your cake and eat it too!"

Topaz · July 4, 2009

Just like in the Commons, were no one is held accountable for the lies or half lies, the Tories are pros at this. They say one thing about a party and leave out the real reason they didn't vote for a certain bill! When the NDP say the Tories can't be trusted he's right on!

Sir Bandelot · July 4, 2009

Argus,

You are talking about lying, I'm talking about playing up to peoples emotions.

Anyone, even intelligent people can be fooled by a good liar. If someone says one thing, and then does another, who is to blame, the voters? Only in that they believed what someone said. There is an expectation of honesty, at least the first time around.

In regards to this ad, I seriously doubt any normal person, be they left or right wing, or other, would support allowing child molesters to go free. The idea that this ad would change anyones opinion about the CPC (for the better at least) is stupid. People do not go for the cheap shots like they used to. This alludes to the thread, why people are dis-interested in politics. Such ads actually make the CPC look bad and benefit their opposition more.

Edited July 4, 2009 by Sir Bandelot