moderateamericain

Maybe they do or maybe they dont, But I tell you what they dont do. Put themselves in a position to end up homeless. Honestly Charter, a Sly, cool, sarcastic response is not a talking point. Not that Im above tossing out a few one liners myself.

Whoa people? Rebellion? Barter systems? Have you all lost it? Barter systems won't work here because 90 percent of the people in this country would not have anything to barter with. Rebellion is that a joke? The last two time rebellion occured in this country thousands were killed. Obviously that's not the answer. Here is the simple truth. People need to live within there means. If you make 35,000 a year don't go buy a 500,000 dollar home. You can't afford it. The same thing goes with the government. Don't mortgage the future of America to put off payments that we owe by printing more money and borrowing with no method to pay back. And bottom line, we have to fIx the economy before anything else. Stop sending aid to countries, stop the active military operations in Iraq, finish up in Afghanistan, lower trade tariffs and barriers to export, making us products cheaper overseas, strengthen economic treaties with England, Canada, and Latin America. Wind technology to drop demand for fossil fuel, this dropping the price on oil to keep up demand. Create manufacturing jobs. Tell unions to go to hades, offer tax deductions to the super rich based on how much economic purchasing power they put into the economy. This will encourage expansion and more people working means more people spending. And lastly fund technology research devoopment that has practical application in the workplace.

This Reminds me of the episode of Family guy where Stewie Says "Its not that I want to kill Lois, its just that I want her to not be alive anymore."

not to mention we just want your resources and not your politeness or Native Americans. :-)

Dont join up with the USA. But Hey if things go to crap can i come over?

I prefer his role in the movie Heat. Deabeat Husband with a gambling problem who happens to rob banks.

The old Kwamee Kilpatrick move. Kick out the competition and sky rocket the price of "services" Nothing new here. The Russians practically invented extortion.

All i want to know is three things. Can I stone my virtual sister for showing her ankle? Is there an ability to make bombs? and Can I ride a camel? If yes to all three. Im signing up.

I don't know why you are surprised by this? After 8 years of bush bashing are you surprised conservatives are teeing off on Obama?

I am slightly curious to the rational behind Proportionate Responses and A general idea that keeps popping up in regards to warfare from certain people on this board. Off the top of my head, Myata, and others who generally hold the same view. My question is, why are you so worried about the fairness of whatever conflict is going on? For instance, If hamas lobs rockets into Israel, an act of aggression anywhere in the world, why is the level of response from Israel a problem? I guess my question to you is, Why are you worried about the response when we should look at the root of the issue? Why was Hamas shooting rockets? Why did Israel feel the need to Blockade Gaza in the first place? and why is the Military response Now unjust? Im putting it out there for you guys to answer to the best of your ability.

Bush, Should we or should we not strive to make are selves better than we once were? Should we not try to find a better way then the Romans or Hitler. Should we not strive to do better from Generation to Generation. Should we not strive to avoid war as much as possible? You call that Fantasy. I call your Reality living in the past. Do i think we can eliminate war like some fuzzy headed Prom Queen. no. Can we put ourselves in position to make sure our wars are small ones. yes. I don't know why you think this is wrong to push for a world where total war is unnecessary? Where Genocide is something of the past? Do we really need Nuclear power to impose are will? Are we that simple that are grand philosophy is.."don't do that or ill blow you up!" I think America is better than that. I think we need to push for a future where are children's children don't have to worry about their whole city being wiped out. And for what? Religion? Democracy? I know you think I am a Dreamer. But know that I've looked into the eyes of People my unit killed. I can tell you right now I didn't do it to defend democracy or just a Christian way of life. I did it to protect and secure my families future and to protect the guys in my outfit. I am sorry if my values offend your sensibilities. I cherish the right to feel how ever i want. Because I have earned it.

Bc you right I don't know your life experience but I do know my own. For the record on a lot of things I do agree with you on. But in this particular subject I do not. When we first pushed into Iraq the Iraqi's that had the guts to stand up to us, were given a choice give up or die. Those that choose to meet allah. We litterly bulldozed there bunkers and buried them alive. In Africa, people were little starved skeletons. People missing arms or legs. Barely surviving from one day to the next. The "militia" nothing more than armed thugs who took what they wanted, killing who they pleased. Life was one day at a time. We just sat there and watched mass murder. It may not have made it into the news. But we all knew what was going on at night. Total warfare. they would throw bodies into the Sea and laugh as sharks ate them. When I went over as a civilian I saw the aftermath of an IED. Not pretty. Anyways my point is this, Total warfare has killed off cultures, Shattered countries, and destroyed lives. The south was destroyed by Sherman, Hitler All but destroyed the Jewish culture in Europe, The Romans at Carthage, Native Americans in NA. etc etc. People make up your own minds. I cant make them up for you. BC is one person out of many who post and read here. I always have felt its easier to try and live among people then kill them. Even if sometimes we have to do both.

You cant morally equivicate war. In other words even body counts dont make a war less or more justifiable.

I disagree. Experiencing war(Gulf war)/ Genocide (africa)/ first hand will change your perspective about life and killing in general. If your divorced from the aftermath your actions have no consquences. I'm not degenerating his service, just that his service did not offer him a realistic scope as pertaining to the subject at hand. IE total Warfare.

Or maybe they are just bored.

Thats the whole reason we put troops on the group and don't strategic bomb. And to Jerry's Point. What do you plan on doing with the people whos homes and business we destroy? Where do you plan on sending them? More importantly how does that make us any better than Hamas? When we litterly wipe Gaza off the map?

Hey a highschool diploma does not make you smart. It makes you educated.

LOL what army did you serve in? Most of the guys I knew were country and dumb as a bag of rocks. The smart ones went into logistics. I guess the navy and the airforce probably have the higher IQ though.

Yeah but the problem is Terrorist cells don't make up the whole population. Today's warfare is small scale and we do not need Strategic Bombing as a solution anymore. If anythng that will make the Jihadist unite. Rather then keep them killing eachother.

War always effects civilians, but what your proposing is total war. Im not saying fight with an arm tied behind your back. Im saying that specifically targeting civilian infastructure to expediate a war is against everything we stand for. If in the process of winning the war civilians get killed accidently is one thing. Its going to happen. But delibertly targeting them. Is just wrong. I would rather go to Jail then firebomb a church.

No im tired of reading peoples post who think its okay to casually toss aside lives, do you know why they do that? Because they don't have to live with the consquences of it. There is no responsibility involved. They make flippant remarks like "we should just blow em all up". Coming from a Military man thats even worse.

Your brand of killing does not make you a warrior. It makes you proficent on a computer. As far as I'm concerned I got more respect for a Terrorist than any tin can wanna be warrior computer nerd in a boat that can fire from 50 miles out and sneak away. Then you got the gumption to tell these fine people that its okay to frag a city of people because the end justifies the means? I could tell you about art, and quote Artist, and look at paintings. But unless ive been a painter it does not mean shit. Real war, and not the computer screen kind, involves the killing of someone that is 20 yards away from you. So when you clear the area and strip them of weapons and explosives so some other Tango does not turn it into a high explosive, you get to see what your work does first hand. You see the repercussions of what you do. On a submarine you get to say Oh well.

No my Bro is USMC. I was Army. and i was a bit too young for lebanon. saw Africa, Eastern Europe and 1991 ME. Also have made two trips to current Iraq as a civilian

So basically BC sat in a tin can and drove around underwater and pretended to fire other tin cans on a weekly basis. Yeah...thats real warfare..let me tell ya. Squibies get as close to warfare as a 12 year old. At least the chair force can see a little bit of what they are killing. But guess what. 1Brig/2-325/82. Got to see all the fun. You can talk about war and how great it would be to stop terrorism by using total warfare but until you have seen the results of it firsthand you can not trully begin to understand what you are talking about. I guess my real point is, dont even think of Entropy based warfare until you absolutely have to.