Army Guy

Madmax: I don't think having them built in Canada is the problem, the problem is finding a company within Canada or a foreign company with a plant in Canada that already has a platform within NATO service with over 2 MIL kms on that chasis. There is alot of reasons for this. This veh may to be used in Afgan or some other mission in the future, and it needs to be combat proven, it has to have the combat protection equipment already designed and in production, it needs to have already established massive spare parts inventory, and it must fit in with existing equipment already in our forces. To many times have we played politics with our military equipment, in order to have it built in someones riding, or creating jobs, or in some cases just so we can say it's built in Canada. And while all of that is great,.... The first and foremost option we should be looking at is it the best veh of chioce for our military, will it perform and protect our nations soldiers. Our military forces does not t recieve equipment very often, and the equipment we do recieve should be the best on the market as it will be in service for 20 plus years. Sometimes we just can not have our cake and eat it to.

When i first read your post i nearly fell out of my chair....Eyeball the anti war, anti militarist, peace be with you, star trekey type of guy... I doubt very much that any of the Taliban are made up of the Wulfs of Afgan, If wulf is who he says he is then he is a professional soldier. professional soldiers do not use children as sucide bombers, they don't skin a man alive to bake in the sun, they don't cut off little girls hands because she wanted to go to school. Terrorist do that, men and women with no value on human life, and will do what ever it takes to see thier goals accomplished.....And one of thier main goals is to enslave all of the Afgan people and enforce thier way of live upon them....

Maybe none of the Canadian firms could meet the requirements. Note requirement 3.1 a 3 REQUIREMENT 3.1 Key Mandatory requirements for the SMP vehicle include, but are not limited to, the following: a. The vehicle's Base Chassis must be in-service with a NATO military force and have accumulated a total of at least 2 million kilometres on the fleet in conditions that are representative of the MSVS Project SMP vehicle mission profile; b. The vehicle must be tactically air transportable by a C-130 [Hercules] Aircraft; c. The vehicle must have a [minimum] payload capacity of ... 4.5 tonnes (Cargo variant) and 8 tonnes (Crane and LHS variant); and d. The vehicle must be capable of having an armour protection system installed (add-on or cab replacement) that protects occupants while located in the cab of the vehicle. Note that when the APS is installed, the vehicle is not specifically required to be tactically transportable by C-130 aircraft; CASR

I think you knew i'd show, as your kind of posts are exactly why i stay on....your so anti Military it scares even you....As for taking an earily exit, not just yet, going to take more than a few Taliban to do that....until then i think i'll stay on, besides i'm really starting to like you...

No Problem, glad i could help. I'm not trying to make excuses for anyones behavior or posts, just trying to give the board some insight on our ground forces. I aslo want to add that this racist attitude is not condoned by the government or military at any level, nor is it taught on any formal training program, it's normally introduced by a few instructors prior to deployment, or while over in theater. And not everyone is subjected to it, troops with no contact with the enemy or our own ground troops may not even be exposed to it. But this is not the only place where a soldier can pick this attitude up. Seeing a comrad wounded or killed also changes how one looks at the enemy, attending one of the many Ramp cerimonies can do it as well. Seeing the devastion brought about by the enemy quickly forms your opinions on our enemies....War is a very different world, and it will consume you totally, change you, so much that those closest to you have no problems noticing it's effects....none of them are any good...unless you remain in combat. But returning back to a peaceful existance such as Canada and trying to fit back into everyday life in Canada is a strugle for everyone of our soldiers, and it takes along time to make that adjustment..Most do, few never do... All one has to do is look at the history channel and listen to the interviews of the vets, you'll still here the words JAPS, Nips, Krauts, Nazi bastards, SS animals...Like i said War consumes you, changes you, it's effects are burnt into your memories to further punish you in the many years to come....Vets from WWII still have no problem reliving the tragic events that happend some 60 years ago, like it all happened yesterday. To answer your Question do enemies stay enemies forever ? Ever soldier has a different experiance, so i can not answer for all soldiers but for me, it's going to be along while before i can forget, or forgive the Taliban or other terrorist groups running around here for what they have done, to thier own countrymen, and my comrads. I'm not as carefull about passing on my dislike for the Taliban as i would like to be, and have often refered to them as scumbags, dirtbags on this very forum. Hell Mr Hillier has said as much on National TV,does that make it right.... perhaps not, but that being said, i've seen thier crimes up close and personal and those few discriptive words don't come close to discribing those that are capable of carring out the carnage and evil i've seen... i'm not talking about events that are apart of war, like IED's, shootings, death etc....i'm talking about events that go above and beyond events that only a twisted mind could come up with... I do not talk about any of my combat experiences with my family, nor do i use degrading terms to discribe them " Taliban or terrorists" when they are around. taking the time to teach my son and daugters about right and wrong. however that is not the case when talking with my peers, and for some reason on this forum, which i can't explain why, as some kind of release i guess. But like i said before every soldier is different. I do understand why, and here in Canada, in these present times you should take umbrage. I hope you some what understand my and perhaps Mr wulfs postion as well.

Could it be that our current justice system is flawed, and would you say it gives most of the advantages to criminal rather than the victim "in Most cases". would that not drive law enforcement agencies to look for any loophole they can find good or bad....

I'm with cameron on this one, you could not have read the article, maybe scimmed the first paragraph and made up the rest..... And when your called on it you decide to start slamming people....Your not a liberal are you ? lol

In peace time, a military court is limited to which crimes it can proscute, for instance lets say in Canada a soldier commits murder, that soldier is arrested and held by the military, if the evidance is strong enough to warrent a trail, then in most cases that members is released from all his military duties, his paper work is then processed to release him from the military. which they are free to be tried as a civilian.... In special duty areas, or on operations the commanding officer does have the powers to try major federal crimes such as rape or murder, that member would then do time in a military instution, I'm not sure on the maximum sentence he is allow to serve in military prison, but it is not very long ...keeping in mind military prison and civilian prison are not the same, military prisoners don't have the same rights and privilages as do civilians prisoners do....after serving this sentence he would then be released from military prison and be once again tried as a cilvilian ...not for the same crimes i should add...allowing him to serve is federal time. this does not happen very often as it is in the military best interest to get this person off the payrolls and tried as a civilian. In times of war, military justice has greater roles and all crimes maybe tried but it gets a little foggy, as we have not really been at war for a long time, so i'd need to look it up.

This issue has myself and many of my section mates torn, not because we do not know right from wrong, but rather we have an emotional attachment. We all agree that the Capt actions were wrong, be it murder or putting someone out of thier misery and pain. one done out of anger and spite, the other out of compasion. As an infanteer i can see both sides, seeing a comrad killed in action, brings about powerful emotions, that cloud normal judgement. just being in combat also clouds ones normal judgement, such as taking a life to ease suffering and pain becomes a compassionate thing to do and while that sounds cold and cruel, so is watching a guy in pain suffer until they pass from thier injuries.... The Laws are very clear on this matter, not only Canadian laws, but also the Genva convention. The Capt actions were wrong. that all being said is we don't know all the evidence, nor the entire story. This could only have come to light a couple ways. Thru the Capts patrol report, which he would have written himself, or another Canadian on patrol with him has come forward, i say that because the Afganis would not have said nothing, as it is common pratice to give no quater to the enemy. This case is being watched very carfully by fellow soldiers, already leary about using some of the ROE, and other actions such as taking of POW's.....a Dangerous combo in combat...as hesitation kills, but also creates a fine line for soldiers, like not taking any POW's in combat period. I just want to piont out here that if he is charged with a federal offense, then the results of this military investagation will be handed over to federal authorities, and the member will be charged and tried in a civilian court. This remark struck me the wrong way as well, you've said in the past that you support the military, but in this comment you clearly do not trust them. "Any" of them to conduct themselfs in a professional manner, by either bringing about justice or finding a solution ensuring that it does not happen again..Anyways sounds like your support is pretty thin.... This is not the first time you have mentioned Canada's reputation, or doing Canada harm. I'd like to remind you that alot of Canada's history, it's reputation, it's moral values have been written by our soldiers, alot more than say the common Canadian citizen acting by themselfs..... As for making more enemies if we have'nt done that yet since we've been here , whats that say about our soldiers actions todate, locking them up in barraks sends what message.....to those that have given so much and asked for little in return....except maybe some respect and acknowledgement...locking them up is not the answer. You mean like this mission to Afgan, during it's conception a majority of Canadians where in fact in favour of the mission....where are we today, and what are Canadians doing about keeping thier good name out of harms way...from a soldiers piont of view, only a very few are concerned enough about our name to take any action, and so far it's been about how we handle POW's, or other minor problems....and when you put this into context ...say again'st sending our own countries soldiers, citizens into a war torn country, expected to take the fight to the enemy with wrong or useless kit.... it sends a clear message.... It's because you have not been in combat, nor has the majority of your training been in closing with and destroying the enemy....and while it may rub you the wrong way, it is nessicary in war, to have that gung ho attitude, to demean the enemy, to create that mental state that they "the enemy" are sub human, scumbags....makes it easier to kill them....which is what our nation sent us over there to do....and while i do not agree with everything Mr Wulf posts, i do see where he's coming from.... I sure that if you have seen the death and destruction that these Taliban and other terrorist have brought upon thier own countrymen , not to mention upon your brothers in arms....then you may have a few chioce words yourself.

Hey guys, finally got some time back in KAF, Army has been keeping me busy so to speak.... been a tough time here over the holidays, anyways i'm sure you've already heard about all that....moral is still good...and we are still in the fight...

What the hell is that suppose to mean.....This is not downtown toronto, there is no one yelling freeze, put your hands up....once you step onto a battlefield it is kill or be killed, you can't just turn your back and say...you can't shot me....Unless you have made it clear that you are surrendering .....your free game, another target...one that recieves bullets until it is no longer a threat.....normally that means 2 or more....sound cold and cruel, it is.... until you've been there.

I can not believe there are still people who believe that terrorism is not a problem here in Canada. AngusThermopyle and others are right, not only should we be concerned but demanding someone take more action to control these scumbags.....and if it means a few more minutes at the airport or the border crossing so be it....i'd rather donate my time there and feel safe when boarding a plane than find myself looking at a barrel of a pistol, with some terrorist that has strapped explosives to his chest, at 30,000 feet.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_attacks_in_Canada Anti Defamation league Tamil tigers. But we are Canadians, and we not only turn the other cheek, we stick our head in the sand, leaving our asses sticking in the wind for these scumbags to pound us when ever they feel like it...we need to put the blame on those that are responsable, for those delays at inconvinences we are forced to endure....we need to piont that finger at those that become involved with terrorists.... We live with terrorist everyday, shit there is a movement in Canada to protect known terrorists and thier families, the Khadrs comes to mind....just once i like this nation to grow some balls and say enough is enough it is time to protect the ordinary citizens of Canada and send these scumbags packing....I'd like to see the Khadrs faces as they stepped off the plane in Afganistan, welcome to your new country....you know the one, that your father died for,that your sons risked everything for.... The terrorist are more familar with our laws and regulations or lack of, than most of our citizens hence why they are here, not only raising funds but training , gather up arms to futher thier cause in some forgotten land, to spread thier grief and terror on others... we need to wake up and smell the coffee....we need to draw a line in the sand, and just say your not welcome...heres your plane ticket back to the place you came....pack up your kids, your relatives, your entire pile of shit and get out.... thanks for coming out but the game is over.... After all are we not at war with all terrorism...

Did'nt know where to stick this, but since i'll be traveling why not here....I'm going home for my HLTA soon, one of the lucky ones that will be home for X-mas. Can't wait to get home to some normal routines, my wifes to do list, and my kids, and some of that great Canadian brew we call beer....been a bad week here, i'm sure by now you've all read about it..when you get a chance raise a glass for them, they where friends, comrads, patriots , some of Canada's finest , anyways, enough of that.. I want to wish all you guys and girls a merry x-mas, and thank you for taking my mind off things here, and bringing it back home, keeping not only myself but my guys in touch with what is going on in our great nation, for that i thank you all .... For those of you that support the soldiers and or and the mission, i hav'nt seen this many parcels ever....i want to thank you, for it is why we do what we do, in the name of our country....your contributing to our moral, and good will thanks again... I know what i'm doing here is not support by all of you, and although i may not agree with all your ideas and thoughts , i want to thank you for keeping me grounded, when i need to be, for making me question my beleifs, ensuring they are still valid and for giving my platoon something worth while to discuss, in our very few hours of boredom, and down time. Anyways thanks to all of you, i hope and wish that you and yours have a fantastic holiday period, and if and when i get some time to myself i'll pop on line once again....

What is it that Quebec has to gain from separation, other than the obvious freedom from english Canada, but what else do they hope to gain....

OK , i'll buy the fact that he may or may not have been overly exposed to western moral values. But spending most of his life in Islamic countries, he must have been exposed to all of thier teachings, from the extreme views to include what we consider moderate. Also the group he was with knows what NATO considers right and wrong and the punsihments they can expect...for instance it is widely known that anyone caught planting IEDs is not expected to live thru that ordeal, it is taken very very serious by NATO.

I guess we could also say that a greater majority also did not want Layton, or Dion period.... I get the math and for those that refuse to believe thier equation works both ways. Harper + Layton =greater than Dion, meaning The vast majority did not want Dion or Layton in power depending on who you use in the equation...., if you want to combine party numbers...... And i suppose the AK-47 found a few feet away from where Omar was found was not his either....But i guess we will never know, you see in combat there is no time to gather evidance for a court case IE finger prints, DNA off wpns etc...In combat you are guilty of being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people ....He knew in advance that this seris of huts were used to create IED's, he had been there before that much is proven from the tape that was found....on this tape he has stated he made IED's, even a filmed himself and others planting them on a road not far from these mud huts....This is a terrorist activity, unlike in civilian law, in combat a soldier can proscute a terrorist with up to and including deadly force at anytime....not just at the time of the crime...So he may not be guilty of throwing a grenade, or even firing a wpn during the attack in question....however this tape does prove he is guilty of terrorist activities. Do i think his case is being handle properly, NO i do not, i think he should have been declared a enemy combatant and locked up until the conflict is over...however, i'm not in charge and it is only my personal opinion which counts for nothing in this case...

Come on Oleg even you can come up with better, read some of statements about our young Mr Khadr...he is no hero, Afgan army forces suspected them as being armed and approached the house to talk, they were greeted with a hail of gun fire....they where not there protecting anything, it was a safe house one in which they built IED's.....an activity that is illigal, he belonged to terrorist group also illigal, he planted IED's also illigal....He is a terrorist scumbag, that some Canadians have fallen in love with like some women fall in love with harden criminals....stop the love affair, and see him for what he is....a terrorist..

While it is true i don't have a say in who is going to be minister of what, my vote does count for my MP, but his party as well....so i do have a chioce....

If that is what is called for then Yes, let me ask you this last time you voted, did you do so, thinking that maybe my party would form a coalition, one beyond my control, not of my choosing....i mean really are liberal and NDP that close in thinking and policies.... I not sure all PC voters agreed to that when it happen. So nothing more than Dion and Layton desparate attempt to share the PM's office....not what is good for Canada, but rather to allow them to have thet're name s on the PM's door...and the keys to the private bathroom.

I guess we could also say that a greater majority also did not want Layton, or Dion period.... Yes because it was the Harpers government that put this boy on a battle field so many miles from our nation, it was harper that enlisted this boy into a terrorist organzation, it was harper that forced this boy to fight against Canadian soldiers..... It was Canada that sat on it's asses while we paid out good tax dollars to feed , cloth, and nuture in our hospitals the sons of this terrorist family.... But this is not enough for you, , now we must feel ashamed at not reuniting all of them under one roof, and while we turn the other cheek, what is it that this family has planned for Canada and it's peaceful citizens....is it the same respect, kindness, hospitality...or are they going to continue thier support of terrorists and thier activities.

We may not directly elect the government and all that will be employed in running this nation....but our vote for our MP of our choosing is also a vote for the type of government we want, be it liberal , PC, NDP what ever....And forming a coalition government takes that away....kind of makes voting a mout piont really. So i agree with Historybuff, it may be legal to do so, but it does not make it right.... There is still alot of unanswered questions before the GG steps into the S Storm, what exactly is the coalitions solution to our economic crises, and is it actually better than Harpers plan....or is it just a power grab....

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Ok Oleg has been mailing out his prescriptions, and i got the pills mixed up... I just wanted to know what it felt like to post something i pulled out of my ass, and expect everyone to believe it something eyeball has been doing in this topic......

So now your saying we had Canadian soldiers in Afgan before 9-11, that the Americans preplanned the invasion.... that because we had 100 Canadian soldiers serving in the US they must have been special forces involved in a major coup of all countrys to pick it was Afganistan....rich in nothing more than POO dust..... OK while we all have our tin foil hats on, and pulling facts out of our asses ....your right it was preplaned, the taliban had found out the Moon landings where fake, in fact the actual footage was filmed in Afganistan, the Taliban where blackmailing them for trillions of dollars....The US government agreed that the moon landing secret must be kept at all costs....so an invasion was planed, Canada agreed to invade because so many Canadian sciencetist names where attached to this vile cover-up....and well Mr Crietien uncle was one of them....it was done for the Queen, our country, and the liberal party.....

This is wrong at so many levels. I don't think raid is going to be strong enough..