Army Guy

Even with pot being declared legal, criminal elements will still be making a profit from non regulated pot...just like they do with smokes and booze, they will adapt just like they did when booze became legal... But regulation is only one of the problems we face once pot is declared legal...i assume there will be major companies that will be able to grow pot, for public consumption, god knows what it's quality or potentancy will be, consumer demand will deticate it i guess, if the government agrees to meet these demands if not it will spawn a illigal pot industry once again....once the jar is opened it can't be closed... DO you guys really think letting the government in on the pot industry is a good idea....at first i see things going well, prices dropping, availability good....but like anything the govenment gets it's hands on and big bussiness i see prices quickly shooting up to what every consumers are willing to pay... i see the only benifit in the long term is you won't get a record for having it.... those taxes collected on smokes and booze still do not pay for the expenses occured in say the medical field treating all the illiness generated from usage.... DO we grow our own here in Canada, or do we import it from whom criminals....what do we do with surpluses export it to whom....what about shortages here do we import to satisfy our demand....

Nothing made of concrete can withstand a nuclear blast, even the old NORAD HQ built under a solid granite mountain could not with stand a direct nuclear hit. Both the SK and US forces have a wide selection of wpns sys able to defeat any fortified postion, Ask Sadam how his concrete postions made out... Fortified postions with reinforced cielings restrict Arty from using their max range...and are for more or less a direct fire role, Since they are fixed, SK and US forces have had years to site them in, work out a battle plan to ensure the maximum destruction in the shortest time with the least amount of ammo.....Aside from counter bat fire plans , the SK and US forces have fast air, attack helo's, diect tank fire, direct anti tank missles, naval guns, ground lanuched and naval launched cruise mis, along with special forces and or ground or air assualt forces all with one mission to clear and elelment as much as they can.... besides this conflict is not going to just start with a NK arty barrage of soul ...any minor military movement is observed and reported and comes with a counter movement from SK and US forces...since the reaction time is limited, each side can't fart without the other knowing it....once the first round is fired, it will cascade into a all out war....and before NK starts pounding Soul, it needs to get rid of SK and US forces on the front...i doubt by the end of the first hour NK could put out half that number of rounds...

How does it decrease the expense of the drug war ? Lets just say tommorow the government decides to make pot legal...do you think that is going to be it...Government regulation is in every product we produce, like tobaco ,booze, you name it...So once it is regulated, who enforces these regulations....who pays them, looks like those ex cops just got a new lease on life and your savings just went out the window....

And just where do you draw the line, with having the right to live our lifes the way we want...I mean we are talking about ALL drugs here not just pot, most of them are dangerous, and have serious health issues. For the most part that is what we do, however for variuos reasons some choices in life are already made for us.

So help me understand how this new wisdom works, we make ALL illigal substances legal, who produces these substances and controls them ...it would have to be our government, which leaves this question How does this help drug users, Yes i get the fact it would be a regulated industry safer drugs would be produced and delivered but how does that deter druggies from using.... Providing more treatment , i thought there was already treatment centers , free needle campaigns , etc etc etc...out there...funded by tax payers, are you saying there is not enough .... As for locking them up, i thought the problem was that the prisons themselfs have major drug problems...getting drugs in prison is not a problem, so why quit in prison....perhaps the answer is to provide more funding to our prison centers to provide a 100 % lock down no drugs no problem....trating an addiction with no access should be easier.... Highest reported use, i've been to some of the worlds shit holes and it seems the entire country is on some sort of drug or another... Not true, all one has to do is look at smokes, high taxes and prices have made a massive market for illigal smokes spawning a entire industry of black market or smuggled smokes.... Criminals will always make a buck they adapt and survive like they always do.... Our government makes bils on taxes from smokes, and yes they do make companies put those warnings and labels on them it has not detered all of us from dropping the deadly habit....infact i'm sure we spend more on treating people from smoking illinesses than we make from the taxes we earn from them....so why did we make the legal....and what proof do you have we as a nation will be better off by making drugs legal.... Drugs are a personal choice, in most cases, where there is a market then there will be a damand, and the criminal element will provide that....and while i do agree with you that perhaps the war on drugs is not effective...i don't think providing drugs on a silver platter is the ticket either.... It keeps the law abibing citizens away from drugs, like i said it is a choice and in our nation it's a bad one....that has consquences...legalization is not going to make the criminal element go away, they will adapt and overcome like they have aways done...like they did when booze went legal.... Recreational drug users are breaking the law, it's that simple i get a rush racing , but if i do it downtown and get caught i face the law....where i to if thrown in jail will be introduced to other criminals.... I don't thionk you've provided any proof that our nation will be better off producing and distributing drugs on the streets.... Policing , yes we will free up those working on anti drug enforcement operations , but then again who is going to control and regulate this new industry, and where is that manpower coming from....i mean now that crack is legal we can't have everyone in the neiborhood cooking it right.... I can just imagine what our new tourist trade will look like. More treatment centers, like government did for booze and smokes.... What about the medical side of the house, we spend more tax funds on treating illinesses from smokes and booze than we collect in tax monies....it's not like we could export the stuff... What do we use to deter first time users.... World opinion , is the world ready for a western nation to be a ALL drug legal nation....will we keep what little voice we have....

I find it hard to beleive that drug users actually quit taking drugs because they where made legal "nope ain't smoking crack anymore it's legal"....makes you wonder why they are doing the drug in the first place....getting high or breaking the law... How do HIV rates go down, unless the government is suppling needles and clean equipment to use, a program which i believe is already ongoing here in Canada is it not ? It's still not going to stop those to poor to purchase the drugs from the government from selling themselfs is it ? Providing a cleaner or better product could explain the drop in death rates...but it is not going to stop deaths altogether misuse is still going to happen. I don't buy into that thinking just make it legal and the problem will go away...shit lets make murder legal, or rape, or for that matter all laws maybe there will be a large drop in our crime rates....does'nt mean it is going to make being a citizen any fun, but we will have low crime rates...I thought having laws was to protect the citizens...how is making crack, herion or any drug legal protecting us.

SHWA. Your right actions do speak louder than words, and Rodney's actions are of course the right action, or perhaps the sane action to be taken...perhaps the one most of us would chose in the long run...it would be a long and tough battle to struggle with the frustration of it all. knowing your child is gone forever, and this convict is walking free after just 2 years....i just hope that not many Canadians have to face it...

Thats a load of crap...you can't get much poorer than Afghan and the Majority of people understand why we are there, and they're not pissed but glad...and while there are some who are pissed they have another agenda...like ruling the country with fear, and death....

My Bad it is 15 years, That being said we where talking about "25 years without parole" and excuse me if my english is bad but i thought (without Parole ) meant there was no chance of getting out earlier ....what a lie... As for it being rarly used your FULL OF SHIT...The fact that 73% of those offenders who have applied so far have been successful....AND it is not being ELIMINATED it is being amended....to include these 3 caveats. 1. Offenders who commit multiple murders no longer have the right to apply for early release under section 745.6 (this bill would have been able to eliminate Clifford Olsen's chance to apply for early release) 2. Applicants, including those now serving time for murder, no longer have an automatic right to a section 745 hearing. All applicants will now be screened by a superior court judge and will only proceed to a hearing if the applicant can show a reasonable prospect of success. 3. A section 745 jury composed of members of the community, must reach a unanimous decision before an offender's parole ineligibility period is shortened. (Before C-45, only a 2/3 majority was needed.) Am i being Parnoid, i'd like to call it concerned...and the more i learn the less i like our current justice sys and it's sentencing procedures.... My linkwww.victimsofviolence.

What i still don't get is there is still a large number of Russians that rever stalin, as a hero, a great leader, and want to return to those days....even in the west we don't protray him as a Hilter equal...

I'd like to know what was going through his mind as he and his comrads killed 3 afghan soldiers that had knocked on thier front door, one of those soldiers was shot in the back running for cover....i guess that is covered in being a soldier, we all knew the risks...same as he did when he became a terrorist.... It should have been something about the size of a 5.56 mm....and this entire thing would have not even made the papers... Like it or not the Taliban ranks are swollen with kids like omar who arm themselfs with automatic wpns , plant mines with one purpose to kill NATO soldiers....you want sympathy you'll find it between shit and syphilis. and while you guys cry for young mr Omar, kids are still fighting within the Taliban ranks and will continue to do so well after Canada withdrawals....I don't agree with everything thats happened to this kid, but i don't feel sorry for him either....

I've been doing research on this all day, what i did find is this a 1999 survey which states that the Average time spent in cells for 1 st degree murder in Canada is reported at 28.4 years....i know i almost choked... That being said there i've not been able to find any more recent reports...what i did find out is this there is a loop hole in our laws which dictate that life sentences for 1 st degree murder are suppose to be 25 years with out parole, the loop hole is section 745 which states that any one can apply to have thier snetence reduced after serving just 10 years of that life sentence without parole....so life does not mean 25 years any more it means do 10 years and will see... I think this is why there is no more stats after 1999, becuase rarely are they even serving 25 years... But hey sentencing is getting harsher....crime rates are going down....we should be smiling....

I find it alittle ironic that WE need to set an example for vigilante justice, but for someone who just killed someone on a whim we are all right with a 2 year sentence...Had we set the example at the right bench mark in the first place, there would be no need to set one for vigilante crimes. Now we are saying that we are no longer the victim....and yet convicts use the victim cry all the time, my mother beat me, my dad never gave me enough allowance...and it is all taken into account....and yet here our justice system has failed one of our citizens....who has lost a family member and is in grief beyound imigine....but we feel the need to set an example...that they have stopped being the victim....and the convict is sitting in the park laughing at us all...

What you meant is justice is supposed to have a blindfold, to serve all society equally,without discrimination etc etc etc....How is justice being served with a 2 year sentence for murder ? I see your piont and agree, however the charge is murder, not man slaugter or an accident but murder, someone took a life of another intentionally....and while we may not know all the details we do have enough details to atleast have a look at it... Why is that ?, we are willing to live with a light sentence for someone that orginally took a life on a whim....yet demand the toughest sentence on someone that takes justice into their own hands..What are we afraid of? Are we afraid of taking a look at our justice system and examining what may be wrong with it ? Is sentencing suppose to be a deterent? to keep all it's citizens in check from commiting crime or atleast to give them pause and think about it first....Handing out a light sentence such as this 2 year sentence sends what message to the parents...it would send me a couple , one that my son or daugters life is not worth anything but 2 years of this convicts time....that justice was not handed out in a fair or uniformed manner as we all expect.... By demanding a tougher sentence for my actions would resend those same messages would it not....the end result was lives were taken....both on a whim, should we not be demanding the same sentence ?

Your right you don't win anything torturing anyone... Omar was recieving medical aid, because he was wounded, as all enemy combatants do. Omar recieved special attention not because of his age, because it is actually quit common there, but rather his ability to speak english...thats what got him a special escort back to the rear...

That statement is bullshit....someone robs you or your house, sure your insurance pays for most of your losses, but it's the victim that pays for insurance rates going up, in fact we all pay for costs of goods and services that go up to pay for these added costs to companies ....If the victim NEVER pays then why is there funds set up to assist victims with funding.... Victims suffer in other ways as well, like having thier lives turned upside down, or destroyed...so there is a huge emotional payment to be made as well... Laws are not getting harsher, not when we can provide 3 or more cases where the sentences are less than 2 years....how is that harsher.... People want to know that our justice system is here to serve them, not the convicts, to hand out punishment that fits the crime, you take someones life then you should spend the rest of yours behind bars, i don't give a rats ass if it does not act as a deterent for the next guy or if crime stats go down from lighter sentences .....what i care about is i know where those convicts are in 20 years....right where they should be...and if it costs to much then recind the rest of thier rights that costs us tax payers funds...old age pensions pay outs, put the bastards to work building something, growing something earning thier keep....

Thats all you got is good luck with that, reality is this there has been 3 examples given already were murders have been handed out sentences of 2 years or less for a capitol crime....I'm sure there is alot more out there. 2 years is NOT a long sentence...Shit there is examples out there where they have recieved more time for animal abuse... So i'm curious do you think if someone murdered your son,daugther, wife,or brother what ever, and recieved one of these light sentences, it would not invoke you into considering taking Justice into your own hands...put yourself in thier shoes for a second...this convict will be walking the streets shortly after the trial is finshed, while you go back to your life without one of your family members because someone decided on a whim to take their life.... So what your saying is our justice system is NOT based on meating out roughly the same punishment for the same crimes , but rather based on what we can afford at the time...that sentencing is based on a quick check on funds left in the national accounts....Thats justice ? Thats retarded....Even i know that is not how our justice system works or is based on...

Because there will come a piont in time when citizens will take the law into thier own hands...and with little to no consquence for thier actions, what will keep us all in check....I'm not sure how i would react if someone had murdered one of my family members and only recieved 2 years as punishment...it is not the justice system i'd expect for a nation like ours.

I don't think that is what she was saying at all, but was impling that every soldiers sacrafice regardless of orgin is what defeated the Nazi's.... And while it is true the Russian people suffered terriably during the war, i find it difficult to not place alot of that suffuring at Stalins feet, along with all of his minons trying to please him and stay out of Stalins own death camps which claimed as many as Hitlers did... As for saying Canada played a minor role is a bit unfair...Canada's minor contribution a relativly new nation of just over 11 million people manged to build from scratch a military which seen over 1.1 million Canadians serve...in almost every threater of operations in WWII, ..Not many nations can make that claim. I wonder what the outcome of WWII would have been without Canada's minor contribution.... And while Canadian soldiers where lucky enough to have bullets and rifles issued at the same time, one can not say that Canadian soldiers did not sacrifice everything on the battle field...after all dead is dead... And just a small note that during the intial German invasion of Russia, many of the Russian people lined the streets and cheered on the German troops and treating them as if they were liberators...it was until the Germans made thier policies known to the Russian people that this all changed...It is one of those what if pionts "had the germans treated them differently what would have been the outcome"...So Stalin was not the end all be all in nation leaders.

Some say that WWII put Canada's industry on the world map...

So we are back to that, crime rates are falling so the system is not broken....and 2 year sentence for murder is acceptable...which is the piont for alot of posters here...it's not acceptable it's a slap in the face to the victims. While thier may be alot of things right about our system the sentencing is screwed.

The fact that things have remained stable is cold comfort to any new victims! Our justice system has long since forgotten the victim...Now we are more concerned about convicts rights... 1983 to 2008 In regards to serious assualts we've gone in a negative direction....

Actually Smallc we both are wrong I should have said "serious assaults" and as well you should have said have remained stable or declined which would lead to the suggestion that not all crimes have declined but rather some have remained stable.....

Actually i was refing to the other example that was used in the post, the one listed below...but i think that both examples are pretty clear and pretty light for murder...which is the piont is it not...Or are you saying these are examples that proves our system is working and on track to eliminate crime altogether. In both cases you don't have to be impartial expert to see that the punishment does not fit the crimes. What is your sons or daugters life worth ?...20 months or 2 years is not justice, it's a joke...another slap in the face of the victims face, and another huge burden for the family to carry around... These Stats can figure suggest serious crimes in Canada are up not down...And crimes committed by youths are also up... My linkwww.statcan.gc.ca/pub/

I can tell you Wild bill I've lost faith, in the entire process. and it pisses me off to hear these stories. When a man can kill another human being and receive a 2 year sentence there is a problem Houston. Regardless of what the stats are saying....and it is not the only case where light sentences have been handed out....far from it...it's time we stop blowing smoke up our own asses and admit we have a problem...