Army Guy

SHWA: Please fill me in then ? Since korea were have we split our blood in a military adventure ?

Correct me if i'm wrong but we are part of larger Military pacts are we not....and we could deploy troops and equipment comparable to our size....

Well to be fair to the entire Palestinian problem is not just Israel, it;s the entire middle eastern area...perhaps you should check on Jordian laws in regards to Palestinian (jordians) who have citinship, what are those laws in regards to them buying land in Jordan....just a note that palestians actually make up the majority in Jordan.... you might also check into the other laws in the other nations as well....this problem is not just AN ISRAELIS problem but a middle eastern one.... When it comes down to it nobody wants them.....

Was it interference or part of the Cold war ? and where do you think we'd be if NATO and the US did nothing during that period of history ? And do you really buy into that theory that Bin Ladin was pissed enough that US troops were in Saudi to raise a small army of religious fanitics and take the war to the US....I mean really does that not get your blood bioling that some wing nut can change the world forever just because he is not happy with his countries foreign policy....that he can decide to fly planes into the twin towers.... It pisses me off, and in the end he got just what he had coming to him.... There are well over 100 armed conflicts in the world today, and 99 % of them "we" as in Canada decide to due nothing....Sticking your head in the sand is "never" the right thing to do...and evently it will come back and bite someone... Canadians are a funney lot, we don't give a shit how many die in wars or conflicts, people can kill themselfs alday and all night, men,women,and children...and yet one TV commerical comes on about some kid straving we dig out our wallets send some money thinking everything is good....but as soon as we want to go down to that country and kick some ass and stop those responsiable for all these starving kids we get all touchy feely....we start thinking we should just let them kill each other...sort out there own problems....

The entire event was a bit over the top...Yes it is nice to be recongized ,a beer is nice, but not with parades and balloons.... No your right it did not have to be a combat role, which before Afghanistan thats all of what we did, all the NON Combat stuff....left all the hard stuff for everyone else...want a seat at the table you have to be willing to risk a piece of your ass..

Can't wait until you explain all chechens are terrorists....

Which reports the ones i took the quotes from, perhaps you should re read them... I thought i was pretty baised laying the blame at the feet of both parties, but perhaps wild bill is right you don't like my facts, fair enough perhaps you can give me your source so i can look at your facts.... Not sure what to make of this really, but OK if your not up to debating the topic fine...But it's not up to me to prove your piont, As for your BBC quote well i seen your BBC and raised you another...I also gave qoutes from the OSCE, UN , and European commision reports....

We've also learned that you can't just stop spending , until we are comfortable with our debt, you must maintain all debts at the minimum status quo . Or you'll find your selfs spending massive amounts to bring those dept up to current standards...like we did with DND...which was near the piont of collaspe...

quote]Before the break-up of the Soviet Union, South Ossetia operated as the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast, an autonomous region within the Georgian SSR. A military conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia broke out in January 1991 when Georgia sent troops to subdue a South Ossetian separatist movement. The separatists were helped by former Soviet military units, who by now had come under Russian command. Correct me if i'm wrong, but at the time was South Ossetia not within the inter national recongized borders of Georgia... Thats alittle more than intervening is it not, separatists units under direct Russia command.... How is that similar to what NATO is doing in the mid east please be specfic. You forget to mention that Russia did not support this move, in fact they forbade it from happening. And is one of reasons why they chose direct military action... Not true, what you meant to say was 90% of the Ossetians supported full independance...which accounted for only 60 % of the population. So your statement is a bit misleading. an EU report, this position is inconsistent with international law, which considers the vast majority of purportedly naturalised persons as not Russian citizens Yes they do, however what you also fail to mention is that 71 % of them are living in Russia, not South Ossetia...again a misleading fact. Lets keep in mind according to the inter national comunity Abkhazai is still part of Georgia....and BBC has film footage of a Russian build up...Both sides were building up... These facts have been verified by UN and other peacekeepers in the area... I think what is clear is that Russia's failure to control Ossetia milita forces and their actions played a major role in the conflict . Note that it has also been noted by the NY times that Georgias inexperienced military may have started the engagement But no inclusive proof has been brought forward by either side todate... In his interview to the CNN, answering to the anchor's question, "Did you take a gamble? Your government launched its own attempt to retake South Ossetia, guess 24 hour ago?" Saakashvili answered "We did not. [Only when Russian APCs crossed the border at 24 AM, August 7] we had to fire back the artillery, we had to take measures. Because it was a clear-cut case of intervention."[141] However, no conclusive evidence was presented by Georgia or its Western supporters that Russia was invading the country before the Georgian attack, according to the New York Times.[124] Instead, "the accounts suggest that Georgia’s inexperienced military attacked the isolated separatist capital of Tskhinvali on 7 August with indiscriminate artillery and rocket fire, exposing civilians, Russian peacekeepers and unarmed monitors to harm".[115][124] Georgia's claim to be responding to a premeditated Russian assault received little support from the US and NATO.[142] Here is what an inter national fact finding mission found out

Investing in ones military is hardly a dumb thing to to...But one that does need to be done....

Really, then lets hear them, I mean you put it out there so prove your statements...."teach me "

Asbestos products...Man is that goggle ever hard to work... link

Nice come back, but is that all you got ...however If your going to post something, you should be able to back it up with some facts, so how about it....

It's not a new secret project there are serveral space based projects for the CDN government as per the site below. My link

Do you always pull facts out your ass, or have you done any research on this at all Comrad....

Canada spends 6.3% of our GDP on Defense ( based on 30 bil) , 17.9 on Health care, 12.7 on Education, and some 30 % or more on Infra struture.... Sorry what was the question again.

War is not Politics, but rather the Lack of or failure of...Other than approving of National interests and national objectives thier involvement is rather limited....Don't kid your self...if you think the tax payer has got any say in a total war situation IE like WWII was and when the Gen says bomb them ....they get bombed and you as a tax payer keeps paying and dying until someone says uncle.... Once the politicians start playing gen that is when things get all cocked up...just like Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq...to name a few... In Vietnam the Tax payer did have a major influence...hence why they lost, becuase it was not being run by the gens but wannabe Politicians

What do you think they are going to find....If i was a betting man nothing more than the other dozen or so investigations found....sounds like a waste of someones tax dollars,,,i mean what are they going to do to the Taliban if they find something....

The US military did not lose that war , US government lost that one...a perfect example of why politicians should keep to Polictics, not war.... Had the US kept up un restricted bombing of the North, plus punished those other countries for allowing the North to operate within their borders...that war would have been over in months...

Yes it is Human Nature to want the latest and greatest equipment that money can buy, and while most of us will finally conceed to your speaking piont and ask ourselfs do we really need that one tool with all the bells and whistles or can i get by with a cheaper one....and for most items in lfe we do finally purchase the cheaper verison... But military equipment you have to start asking a few more questions, and rightfully so.... as this equipment is not only for taking lifes but saving them as well...equipment that will give our soldiers an edge on the battlefield means they are safer, (increases the average life span of a soldier)meaning the enemy is dieing off alot quicker than ours...which in the end is what war is all about is it not...And when your talking about Canada manpower it is an issue there are only so many persons that can be inducted , trained and forced to fight for our flag , as opposed to say Russia or China....which has people to throw away for any cause....So we don't need all the toys, but what ever we purchase needs to be better than say the worst case situation that murphy can throw at us... Lets remember we have always had sub's perhaps not enough of them but i don't think our navy has done without them, once again we have not kept our end of the bargin here in regards ensuring our forces have the equipment they need to do the job our Nation has asked of them....And i'm by no means a sub expert that i'll leave to BC since he was a submariner from way back....what i do know is when you trace our subs history back, the north has been a free fire zone with other nations coming and going as they please...all year round...not just when the polar ice pack is melting currently their is only 2 types of ves that can do that, Nuc powered ice breaker, only good most of the year which leaves some areas left unpatroled...or Nuc subs or Alt fuel subs ...So while they may be a nice to have they are required....if you don't think so then perhaps we should look at only patroling when it's nice out or during the summer months...As for affording it all, really ...Canadians are just getting the sticker shock now, at how much it costs when you starve your Military for 10 plus years...So really it comes down to this you want security then you pay for it...remember that although i volunteered the next brew up may not be so, and our sons and daughters will be putting on the uniforms and manning the equipment we thought was to expensive... I not sure where you got this thing about F-35 for artic patrols , that is not thier entire function...and while some Ministers lack of imigination on uses for the F-35 may be all the media has got to report....Canada has signed on to god knows how many defensive agreements, with countries around the globe...all it would take is for some spark and Canada would be asked to throw in it's troops and equipment to defend or fight some nation in a far away place...Think about the US response to Russias agression last year...or what if China decides it's time to take back it's claimed terrirtory....and while it might be unlikely in your mind this would happen perhaps ask BC how many unreported Naval incidents happened during the last 20 years, how many lifes were lost, and what equipment was actually sunk or damaged... The threat is real...

I've done a few of these inter actions with students, mostly at high schools, we normally brought in 2 or 3 soldiers , in a LAV, one would be dressed to the nines All the combat gear, wpns and equipment an average soldier would carry...plus set up displays of other wpns and equipment we would use....and part of it is a hook as discribed by boges...However history is a dry topic to most kids, seeing feeling,what a soldier had to carry, what he eat, what wpns he had, adds greatly to understanding what our soldiers went through each day.....we talked about our experiences, what we saw , and did, and while we left out the gory details, i think by the time we had left thay had a greater understanding...History is more than what is written in a book, it's about the people that have written that history by their actions....

You make it sound like the groups they sponsor are boy scouts, or simple travel groups....when in fact they have created an entire organization to export terrorism through out the region and world... IRG link This is what you call alittle covert activity... Shatt al Arab Dispute 1969-71 Iranian Plot: Iraq 1970 Iranian Revolution 1978-79 Iran Hostage Crisis 1979-81 Second Kurdistan Movement 1979-95 Iran-Iraq War 1980-90 Battle at the Grand Mosque 1987 Strait of Hormuz Incident 1988 How about these military figures.... link I think your right, however if they could strike Israel hard enough and with a clear death blow, without Israel striking back i do think they would do it...He is all about saving his own skin in the game, but he freely will send others to their deaths....a quick look at the Iran Iraq war tells us that...

He has already been pigion holed as an insurgent and under that law he is not entitled any other benfits the conventions provide.

To be eligible to apply to the Canadian Forces, you must meet the following three minimum requirements: Be a Canadian Citizen Be 17 years of age (with parental or guardian consent) or older, except: Regular Officer Training Plan – Junior applicants, who must be 16 years of age or older Meet the minimum education requirements for your desired military occupation: Grade 10 or Secondaire IV in Quebec, and additional educational prerequisites as specified by the occupation DND However you must atleast 18 years old to be deployed outside of Canada. or engaged in any form of Comabt internally or externally

Is that your opinion or your brother in laws, As i'm curious as i find it hard to believe that your brother in law would say that, I find it hard to believe anyone in the forces conjuring up stories to keep the Canadian peace knicks scared and shakin in some corner of BC...Just a look at DND's current equipment, it's date of manufacture, and comparing it to what is out there today would or should be enough to convince anyone it is time for an update or new equipment....we don't need ruskies or little yellow guys to do that.... Im sure any average canadian joe can provide you a list of old Canadian equipment, Shit the MLVW is almost 30 years old all of which cost more to keep operational than twice as much new stuff...but your right the Average Canadian soldier does sit back and dream of new stuff, not because we have a yearning to spend yours and ours tax dollars, but because we have families as well that we would like to come home to...after all not many jobs in Canada have signed on for unlimited liability ...we would atleast think before Canadian tax payers sent us out they would give us a fighting chance.... And from the equipment that we have requested i'm pretty sure theres no nuclear powered tanks, or any phasors, in fact most of the list is very resonable....to most people...