Army Guy

Yes they do all that, but you and some others on here are forgetting the other stuff they also create, the need for new road networks, plus the maintence such asrepairs, snow removal etc etc.......Not to mention at some point these cities "they" collect in become to crowded, meaning new infra structure is needed sub ways, high ways, sewage and water treatment, garbage sites, and collection, power needs grow....meaning so does that infra structure....a lot of these projects are split with the federal government all of it adding to the bill which at last source was quoted at 27 bil tax payers dollars ....which could be dumped back into taxpayers pockets in the form of new tax breaks or monthly checks for children.....why is that so hard to swallow.....because it is new, it automatically will not work......well sir, it worked back in the day....when the average family was 4 to 5 kids.....

Ok, so lets get this straight in Sask .....when they use government funding to fund a program do they use government funding ....or tax payers funding or something else....and if there is funding ear marked for say immigration and it is not used what happens to the money according to you it vanish....perhaps you can explain that magic trick....for some one not so smart as you..... As for the debunking, i'm sorry I did ask for a source where it did just that, and instead I got some chirping from you....I'd like a source that says what the cost of current immigration costs based on 250,000 immigrants and 50,000 refugees......and if the fraiser report is so out of wack why was it not debunked on national TV or media outlets.....if you can show me proof of that i'd be glad to sit down and STFU.....

So your OK with women only having one night to swim......and men having the other 6 nights ......That's accommodation. Perhaps if you where a man you would be good with that....or if you did not like swimming or going to the pool........Now what happens if a grand father or father wants to or has to for some reason take his daughter or grand daughter to swimming classes.....does he wait in the car or is he allowed to watch the class......or maybe it only applies to women...not children..... And where do we draw the line in accommodation.....there are thousand of questions we could ask.....do we allow Muslims to practice and be ruled by shia law..... it is after all a religious request is it not.....do we allow for different laws to rule certain segments of the population, .....If the Main theme of the Great Canadian experiment with multi culture is to ring loud and clear....we are expected to open our hearts and minds and become one open melting pot, to adapt, to become of one race which is Canadian right a mulit colored , multi race, multi religion, etc etc..... .....Unless that is just for white Canadians...or Canadians that where here before the great experiment started.....

Politicians want a lot of things.....free day care was a NDP idea was it not.....do we have free day right now....is it control any way, other than in Quebec....I get it.... everyone wants women to work....dual incomes means more middle class.....but here is a question what is our unemployment rate at right now.....in some places it is up to what 14 -20 %.....we going to fix that with immigration......a lot of things wrong with this country.....and it needs to be a balanced approached.....not just lets open up the front doors and bring in immigrants at huge costs to the tax payers because that is what we have always done.....Because women want to work, and we need all day family care centers.... Women can still work, nothing changes that.....even when you start paying them more to have children.....I see working women have children all the time....it still happens....maybe part of that 27 Bil can go into providing child care as well.....

Ludicrous....well if your not spending it on immigration where does it go.....does it just evaporate into the digital world....

The Frasier report tells us how much it is costing "Tax payers" for immigration.....It does not record any other expenses or gains made by public companies or individuals.....Lets here what it costs us currently for immigration.....27 bil tax payers dollars.....What you have failed to prove or even provide is how much of that came back into government coffers....you make it sound like the federal government invested 27 bil and and out in the black....so fill us in on the theory with some facts..... I agree with you , most immigrants do not live in the streets.....But I hope your not trying to tell me immigrants drive our housing markets, which in turn drives our service sector.....last year Canada let in a total of 300,000 plus immigrants and refugees.....for a total cost of 27 BIL dollars.....last year there was roughly 207,000 new housing starts.....in fact the estimate for next year is going to be less according to CMHC web site.....down to approx. 159,000 to 190,000 new home starts.....I find this interesting because you automatically assume that when a immigrant arrives a new home is built....But I guess not according to the numbers.....one they are to small, meaning some immigrants are living some where,we don't know...second we would also assume that of all those new starts not one of them went to already established Canadians.......which is crazy......If what your saying is true we would have much more new homes being built....Now CMHC does give credit do where it is do....new immigrants help with the drive to build new homes......but as we have already shown, clearly they are not the driving factor..... Do you really think that after all is said and done, the federal government is going to collect 27 BIL dollars worth of new taxes.....Because their is something else the Frasier report fails to mention.....the cost of all the grants or provincial assistance to assist with building new construction such as low income housing, new infra structures such as highways, bi ways, new water, and sewage disposal systems and plants, plus other projects such as subways, over passes, new roads to new communities....the snow removal, etc etc etc ....because when we add to the population all those costs go up as well...... Just to clarify are you saying that Canadians do not move or grow their families then move at all.....that immigration is the sole driver of our real estate market.....Now I'm from New Brunswick.... and new homes are being built here by the thousands....and in this part of the country I'm sorry immigrants stand out.....and while some new home s are for immigrants the majority of these new home owners are good old fashion Canadians.....3 or 4 th generation Canadians....And i'm sure it is the way across a lot of the country.... Most wealthy nations or western nations do a lot of things that do not make sense.....Middle east ring a bell.....so the old adage that every one is doing it it must be true.....I have drawn attention to the old ways .....and I did not say curtail population growth.....I suggested using that 27 Bil it costs us in Immigration fees to promote other ways internally..... We already know that family size is controlled by finances of the family unit.....the est for 2015/16 for new borns was 392,902.....if all we need to do is add 250, 300,000 more to that number....27 BIL: would go along way to help make that happen....Not very good at math.....but how much would that be if we divided it by say 300,000.....

You brush it off like it is mission impossible, History has already proven you can move mountains if you have enough cash......And I get you said it is bogus.....without a link to prove other wise.....So why can't the answer by Canadian driven....currently the average family is 1.9 according to https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/as-sa/98-312-x/98-312-x2011003_1-eng.cfm . And what are the main reasons why family size have decreased over the years, number one reason is they can not afford it.....by providing a financial aid or tax relief for growing families this could remove some of that financial pressure and increase family size....providing the same effects as bringing in immigrants..... Look who the government is saying they want to target " The measure would target skilled, entrepreneurial newcomers in an attempt to stimulate economic growth"....Because we don't have these people already in Canada.....is that what you and the government are suggesting.....if that is the case what are we doing wrong.....despite the millions of immigrants we have already taken in to our country....we can never find skilled, entrepreneurial Canadians ... I call BS on that one.....

Your pretty quick to dismiss the Frasier report or study, and yet you have not provided any real link to back your theory, Nor has our own government laid it all out in black and white what immigration costs and what benefits it brings to our nation....The Frasier report est it costs around 27 bil tax payer dollars every year to up keep our immigration system.....your say this is false.....Their have been studies that have proven that sustained immigration do not work, brushed aside by those in favor of the immigration process....I am willing to concede that I know very little about our immigration systems and their processes.....However, I do understand that the government is paying a huge price to bring in immigrants from around the globe, that some/ most do not fit into the category described by the immigration minister.....And I am stating I think it could be spent better here in Canada.....after all we are not talking about chump change here, we are talking almost 54 bil if the new plan goes through every year......that's 54 Billion dollars of our tax money.....every year.....

What does it cost Canada today for immigration, I can not find an official government web site that gives a detailed costing for each immigrant, or refugee...I remember the Frasier Institute study giving an estimate of 27 bil based on 250,000 immigrants and 50 refugees..... The numbers are to huge to even say in the media .....WOW.....is every one else getting a warm fuzzy feeling......in a time when we are trying to get the economy going, and I might add the liberals have already said they are going to spend 30 bil dollars in trying to kick start the economy.....and now we are going to spend roughly another 30 bil to bring in 50 % more immigrants, does that make sense to any one......They are going to try and target Skilled, entrepreneurial newcomers....Because and i'm just guessing here that we have NONE of those available in Canada already.....I hope these new Comers are already financed, or this cost is going to balloon even more...... Just another question.....lets say this does happen, and the liberals pump an estimated 54 bil dollars into immigration, plus what ever else it costs....every year.....where does that money come from.....I mean we are talking about 27 additional billion dollars added to the Budget.....which leaves 2 options cuts in other dept's ......or tax increases..... What if , and I say if.....we took that 27 bil.....and turned off the immigration taps off all together....down to zero...and we invested in Canadians, increasing family allowance or call it what ever you like , but make it so that Canadians begun having more children.....to boast our own population......invest in our families....so that it is feasible for young families to have 3 or 4 children..... if the Liberals pass this through their will be 54 Bil dollars invested in bringing in immigrants from other nations.....and we are counting on this people not to increase our unemployment numbers, to put additional strain on Medicare systems, housing costs in major city centers.....Yup.....lets not give some of those tax dollars back to Canadians, "that would be un Canadian" instead invest on immigrants....who may or may not contribute to our nation.....what if during those long winters instead of making those long trips through the huge snow bank streets of our towns and cities for condoms.....we skip a few trips and end up with a few extra dollars in our pockets.....

Sorry Eyeball, I stopped a long time ago depending on Canadian citizens for support, they don't have the heart or stamina or the will....the first Squirrel they see they are on to something else leaving you holding the bag.....

Another "Big Guy" take on the news where he again twists it to suit his needs to create cloudy skies over our world. The link you provided does not once mention the word "Surrender" in Fact it starts off with peace treaty.....How a once proclaimed school teacher can confuse "surrender" with "peace treaty" is confusing....And his reading comprehension is just as bad..... After over 40 years of continuous conflict I'd think everyone would be happy that there may be an end to this conflict..It is after all the Nation of Afghanistan that took this course of action, the Government that was elected by Afghanis, for Afghanis * it should be noted right here that the Afghan people do not care one flippin flaggans f*cks what BIG GUY thinks about the topic..... It was after all them that has lived with 40 years of constant conflict.....not BIG GUY, or NATO, or any one else...... They are however grateful for the Canadian contributions, and would like to thank Big Guy for his 10 dollar tax donation every year for 10 years.....As to the 158 Canadian soldiers that gave the ultimate sacrifice that is between them and the Afghanis people "may god bless you".....Not for guys like big guy to use in his useless rants, or some political football to be pass around by people who didn't give a rats ass, about them or their families...Oh they talk a good game, but soldiers and vets already know the score there.....

Soldiers did report this to the chain of command, Canadian government and Canadian Ambassadors at the time, and to the media, which most major media companies reported to you the people of Canada.....Some soldiers took matters into their own hands such as conducted armed raids of police and ANA posts to rescue children, for their efforts they where sent home for their actions, All of this was reported on .....and What did Canada do about it ? where the Canadians in charge discharged.....or jailed.....Did Canadian Citizens force this matter to be looked at....NOPE....not a fu%%king thing was done about it....except we blame the soldiers for not acting or taking action......That's what we do as Canadians point out Blame....except when it is our fault....

Is that what you think went on here....2 high ranking Liberals stuck their hands up and asked parliament I think I got to much for my moving claim.....i'd like to give some back? Is that what you meant by transparency.....or was it uncovered some how by a 3 rd party..... And to counter your point....This entire issue ....is not what the Cons did for the last 9 years.....but rather what current Liberal MP's are doing now....

Sad day really. when someone as much as admits to stealing federal tax dollars, "grins, shrugs a shoulder, asks to Much" here take some back.... Even sadder day when the liberals in the crowd, know there is a problem but just lower their heads , and murmur well at least now they are going to look at the problem....better than the cons did......Sure it is.....But I left here scratching my head...Did these people file false claims.....if so whats is the consequence's to that ? and if not Why are they returning the money, if they are legally entitled to have it.....why return it.....

How can you believe that BS, when not so long ago....You clearly pointed out that there is No money for any military expansion....we can't afford it, there are plenty of other problem areas in Canada.....those are your quotes are they not.. ..today your saying the budget will balance itself some how magically.....even if we spent an additional 100 bil a year and solve all the nations problems.....

Don't get me wrong, I'm not telling you who,can post to or not, Just wondering if these people are giving you so much grieve that you have a hard opinion against why bother....Unless what they are posting directly goes against your values and morals.... Defending family is honorable, especially sisters....But we can hardly judge an entire religion on your sisters acts can we....Not sure where your sister lives, but do you think that if she lived in say Iraq, or Syria , or some other hard core Muslim state, they would have the same convictions and believes... Where do you think people get a capability of barbarism, is it a learned thing, is it one that is embedded and rears it's ugly head only when needed, like a life and death struggle, or survival....I've seen a lot of shitty things over my service career of just how barbaric humans can be, to everything around them....if pressed into things I think everyone is capable of anything, including killing.... I mean all one has to do is read up on some history, it's all there black and white, how could the Nazi's wipe out millions, same for the Russians, same for the romans, etc etc it is though out our history of man....how could that be if we were not capable of barbarism.....

If that is the case why do you feed the beast, by posting response after response to their comments....Is their a monthly prize for post count. If there is such dislike for the people your mentioned, then why not ignore them....Perhaps they are posting material that actually is a threat to your position....I don't know perhaps you can explain....

The reasons I joined the military, are in no way reflected or tied to the current condition of our military, or it's perception of Canadians may have upon it , as I tried to tell you earlier. The topic was the current condition of our military, and the way our nation treats it's vets..... And your right the common forum is for anyone to post in. This conversation was for the general forum public, I did not mean you could not post, but rather informed you that your post was off topic.

How does this even relate to the conversation that myself and smallc had. It does not....it was never about choosing a carear, it was about Canadians and their treatment of the armed forces, and the current condition of our military....

"Your" not seeing the need, because you have already expressed you don't give a shit.....Your not interested in the topic, nor do you want to here anything about.....And yet for a guy that does not give a shit your waste a lot of time expressing your opinion about it.....Opinions that are based on here say, or false info....or taken out of context....and when presented contrary sources you out right dismissed them, saying it cant be as bad as all of that..... AH, yes blame my attitude for forming your opinions....and yet it has become a sport with Canadians to see how much they can starve our military and still make them dance on a string when we whistle....And then they become surprised or pissed off like you when you find out that soldiers have an attitude towards the same majority that gets it's rocks off torturing our military....as if it earns them some liberal badge of honor......a place in the liberal heavens..... Mean while Canadian vets still struggle trying to get the care the need, or any assistance from the government that sent them over to these shit holes in the first place....so much so that they have taken vets to court, and said it is not the nations reasonability to look after broken soldiers........ Those that are not broken still answer the call, and do the job out of serving something bigger some thing most Canadians do not know of or care about.....and because of that they fear those same soldiers that do nothing more than protect them in tough times.....and all they get back in return is spit upon, or told STFU.....we pay your wages....we pull the strings.....beaten with a stick and locked back up in the cage....until the next photo op, or flood.... Yes smallc your one of them.....stand up take your applause you've earned it...

That's it in a nut shell isn't "I really don't care" Don't fret this is something all our soldiers, and their families have know for a long time.....And yet you waste your breath telling everyone everything is fine go back to sleep.......as if to hide your shame that things are really not as you have been saying.... I'm also sure that your words are going to console those grieving soldiers and their families when it comes to light that all it would have taken is money to save loved ones..... And Canadians begin to wonder why soldiers have developed the attitudes they have...when our own country treats them so badly..... Your opinions have been exposed as Bullshit....and now you said your not interested or to lazy to refute any of the dozens of sources I've provided....Fair enough....I know where I stand, no need to reply as I to, are not interested in any more of your bullshit....

That's the problem Smallc your not supporting anyone, you seemed fine with having a few examples of wpns systems available is great enough to do the job, but once that thinking is exposed as inadequate you spout off with your go to line, we have new equipment on the way..... I've shown you dozens of examples of how poorly our forces is equipped....and funding shortfalls forcing units to park vehs, ships, and aircraft to save money and yet you refuse to see it for what it truly is....everything is pink in rosey in your world....and you refuse to even contemplate that Canadians are incapable of doing this to our forces.....it could never happen, nor will it....Time to wake the frig up...it's being done, it is here,and now.....

WOW....I don't suppose you have any proof of all these accusations....secret locations, torture, and then the last statement Canada is a police state.... I'm beginning to think you would not know a police state if it bite you in the ass.....

WOW the TPV is coming....and the LAV 6.0....ask Smallc if and when they are all delivered will each Mech Inf Bn have enough vehs for all it's troops, or will there still be major shortfalls..... New medium trucks.....Yes there is a purchase of 2500 9.5 ton vehs to replace a fleet of just over 7500 2.5 ton trucks....Government has said this purchase will have to do, and DND will have to curb it's need for heavy lift....A 9.5 truck is not a medium truck but a heavy truck....the numbers do not work out, nor does this contract even come close to the veh fleets now, sitting in fields awaiting to be sold as scrap.....those vehs pulled from army inventory are the LSVW (1 ton truck), MLVW 2.5 ton truck, and the HLVW trucks 7.5 ton...All SMP vehs or standard military pattern, extreme off road....the new vehs are not SMP vehs.... Tow systems are not going to be general issue to all units unless they purchase more. and todate there is no new contract.....there is a few working systems pulled from storage....Our surplus systems were sold off years ago....with no other at system, unless you include the M72 system, which we used for bunkers...could hardly take on modern armour.... Chinnoks were a good investment.....to bad we did not get more.... Armed griffons.... we have always had them, only problem is once they are armoured up, then armed , they can't carry troops.... So while Smallc thinks we are good to go for this next mission, I wonder if he has a seat on the C-17 that will bringing in the first troops.....Because i'm sure the troops have a long list of shortfalls they'd like to have....With no major American force near by to depend on I wonder if this is a good idea as well....

That was not the question was it, What did the Conservatives renew, and in comparison what capabilities was lost during their reign ?.... to put it all into perspective ....What new equipment did the army actually receive and what was the numbers of what was purchased.....I think you'll find the cons did buy some equipment, but in low numbers, and mostly for use in afghan only, with some samples for training in Canada. yes there are some exceptions, such as C-17, and c-130J....but overall did the cons really do DND any favors....