Army Guy

" I'm curious just how much inter national aid in dollar value is being sent to the Gaza strip....and how is it being spent, and on whom.... 2008 -2009 it was alot...2.1 bil...whats the population figure again...whats that per person i wonder... My linken.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Once Canadians decide what thier defense needs should be who holds thier feet to the fire to ensure the troops get equipped properly.... And while i agree with you there should be a massive dialogue on what our defense needs should be, i think all that needs to be approved on a regular basis is HOW much our military can spend on the army ,Navy, Airforce...Let the military decide what it is going to spend it on.....of course there will be exceptions, guidelines and rules....but at the end of the day, politics and outside iterferance should not come into play, as we have seen in the past with other purchases , LSVW,G wagon, Griffon helos, comes to mind, purchases that have cost soldiers lives or effected the mission, so some politician could win some votes...

Todays new tech has a heavy price, last time Canada had any major program in which we spent bils on R&D was the aero....It is this research that accounts for the price... As a nation we can afford to build a modern conventional military, what we have to conclude first is what we want to cut....serveral come to mind, G-8 conference, olympics and many more.... Nuc wpns , when the world is trying so hard to ban them, are the ultimate wpn, once used they mean the end of mankind as we know it...there is no well i'll only use one....todays nuks are as deadly as they come...with no containment, no way of controling who it kills with the radiactive dust ,a gift that keeps killing for generations .... I agree they should be reviewed, but not by the public , but rather by parliment and the experts... Canadians who have the same education as most citizens, Canadians that believe in what we as a nation are doing,Canadians that share basically the same morals or values as the rest of the country, but believe that sometimes force needs to be met with force....that with the right application it can be used for the better.... Sometimes all it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.....Every crisses i've been in civilians are running away from the scene, while soldiers firemen, police, all are running towards it....it's what we do, and it needs to be done, to save lives....

I know that Military and RCMP, have EI deducted from thier pay checks every month, but because of pensions are not eligable to collect, after either being laid off or quit..Infact they must find another job work the laid out number of weeks then they apply qualify for EI...I'm not sure if this appies to all civil service employees or just the two i mentioned.

Our investment into the F-35 project is going to provide much more than the 175 mil we've invested already in regards to contracts and bussiness for Canadian firms est have if at over 6.5 Bil in returns... With Canada's record in purcurement what do we do with an aircraft in 25 to 30 years from now. The problem with the F-18 E and F models they are near there tech limits now, hence why the US navy has decided to replace them with F-35 C models. I think the experts in the field already have a defense strategy, one that has been thought out and well planned....all it's waiting for is for governmental approval, or funding....i think what you are seeing is what our government has agreed to purchase or afford....what was recommneded to buy and what was approved to buy are to entirely different totals...

At one time Muddy i thought just like you, but todays women have earned thier right to be on the battle field....and like the men they have thier bags of hammers as well, but overall they are very capable soldiers.... He was charged and found guilty of haveing an (ND) negelgent discharge and fined 3500.00 more than the average soldier....But he was the Contingent Commander and should be held to the highest standard....which is why he's lost his command in regards to the other charges...and awaiting to find out what is left of his carear...

This is a urban myth....NATO forces are faced with this problem all the time, shit we are still trying to solve the friendly fire issue, with bils spent and tech just coming out now....but nothing on the scale you suggested, not even sure if there is a thing invented yet....pull the trigger and a tow missle will gladly head to its target, regardless of who owns it........see gulf war for examples of blue on blue contacts.....

I did not say we where making cuts i said cuts where already made in the past, and in doing so we are now having to pay for them....

Thats a pretty big statement, care to back it up, what exactly is our military doing 24 hours a day 7 days a week. I don't think you'll find a more greatful bunch than our soldiers. I mean not many Canadians are asked to sign on for unlimited liability in service of thier jobs. And your right we did sign up on the dotted line, knowing the risks....That being said it is a two way street, these soldiers are willing to do that no questions asked, all are volunteers, i don't think it is asking to much to equiped them properly to give them a better chance of coming home upright rather than a casket do you...As for most Canadians are protected under the Canada labor code, and other laws concerning safety in the work place, within DND thier is little of that, and our dept actually depends on our government to purchase equipment with surviabilty, and our safety in mind.....I don't want your sympathy and do not give a shit if you throw a parade or not....what i do want is for you to take your job as a citizen seriously and ensure our soldiers lives are not wasted or cashed in because someone was to cheap.... Consider a lot of factors such as most of the purchases that have been made are meant to last 20 to 25 years at a minimum, well past it's predicted life span, even with upgrades and refits Canada does get every penny worth of usage out of it's purchases. ( how many Canadians hold themselfs to this standard) With this in mind the equipment must be the best the world has to offer at the time , to help with it being relevent in 20 years... Keep in mind this equipment is as much about safety as it is about it's ability to do the job, because our Armed forces is Small, there is a is not a whole lot of replacement soldiers to jump in and operate it when cas are taken....We depend on the safety aspect , or providing the max amount of safety to our soldiers to reduce our losses... Giving our soldiers an edge in combat, when you boil it all down, it is our job to close with and destroy the enemies of Canada, and in combat you need all the help or edge you can get even if it means Calling in an air strike from a multi million dollar aircraft to kill a hord of taliban soldiers armed with 200 dollar AK -47's in the end it saves lifes....can we put a dollar value on a soldiers life...sure we can, but set the bar to low and you'll find it extremely hard to get the next generation of soldiers...

The reality is, that there is military threats to Canada, the US and the rest of North America, The reality is that Canada has a foreign policy as any nation on the planet has, that may require a military force to enforce it. History is full of examples of our country defending this foreign policy across the globe, today with over 120 conflicts raging across the world. How can we say there is no threat to Canada. If there was not any threat why would we sign on to extensive defense alliances and sgreements. Our military is made up of Canadians who for the most part share the same ideas ,values and morals of every other Canadian in this nation. That being said we do this job 24 hours a day 7 days a week, and we take that job very seriously, as any Canadian does when doing his or her job, we want what is best for Canada and her people... We know our military is not going to be some massive organization, bent on policing the world, or have aspirations of world domination. it is not who we are , it is not part of the Canadain character. Canada has spoken out many times it does not want any part of this... the military respect this, understands this, and fully supports this.... That being said, the military has also warned the Nation that our military with it's current size and make up is totally inadaquate for the defense of our nation, other than provide a rudimentary defense, if given enough warning....And while i will agree it is not very likely that that a direct invasion of our country is likely, that course of action can not be struck of the list as it is still possiable as far fetched as that may sound, we still need to take precautions .Our foreign policy is very robust considering the size of our military and it's current structure...our defense agreements also takes up a good chunk of our military forces meaning we could not do all 3 at once but rather only one and then only in a limited capacity... SO before Canadians decide 9 bil on aircraft is to much , perhaps Canadains need to sti down and decide what exactly they want for defence, for foreign policy, and what defense agreements we can afford... We as a nation are extremily lucky to have citizens that are willing to take on that job , to soldier for our nation, to put there lives on the line...i don't think it is to much to ask to provide them with the right training and equipment in order for them to carry out the tasking we as a nation assign them to do...And we if we are not willing to spend funds to do this, then the only ones that can be held responsiable is "US" the people of Canada.

What is the myth about having a robust military force, the 33 F18c and D models or the over 100 F-5e and F aircraft, which are going to be retired with the swiss looking for a replacement aircraft one of the types they are looking at is the grippen, and euro fighter....but you forgot to compare the size of thier airspace to ours... The fact remains is it was done, and the cost of that decision was in the tens of millions of lives.... and that is with being prepared for thier defence....we are not, even close to that....you just want us to stick up our hands in surrender.... I did'nt forget i volunteered, and i know the risks of doing the Job, and i'm not whinning like you.....unlike you who are quite willing to have someone else provide that sercurity blanket we all live under ...i wanted to give something back to our great nation which has providsed me with so much.... And while i don't hold that again'st you atleast you could show some compassion for the men and women who gladly provide you with that which you take for granted everyday....we would be having this aurgument over 10 bil if the government decided to give a 10 bil dollar tax break we all be for that....

I'm fully aware of the problem, That all being said, is governments and the people of Canada have to come to the conclusion that while making cuts to the military is an easy solution to shortfalls, there is consqunences in doing so...a pay now or pay much more later....and we can't just simple say thats all we can afford for now....which is hard to swallow when this government and past governments have pissed away much more, for much much less...

But can you say with 100 % certainity that we will never be attacked. I mean even the Swiss have a robus military capable of defence.... And yet they did it anyways, and with out a robus military to defend again'st such attacks they would have been successful.....as for the Logistics could not be any worse than the US or Canada and it's NATO Mission in europe proving that it can be done for a price.... As for Non existent enemies that is another fallacy....Canda has signed onto defence agreements that dictate our military response in regards to attacks an any NATO member, currently that includes a shit load of countries all with natural or furture enemies....and with this commitment comes some rules in regards to how our military is armed, trained, and equiped...we must all be able to atleast fight with one another, be inter operable... other threats include Failed or failing states , Terrorism, WMD,and regional flash pionts such as Korea, middle east, etc....the last time Canada provided troops for high intenisty warfare was Gulf war. So sitting there and spilling off Canada has no threats is a crock....there is plenty of threats which you seem not to consider...all of which the military has something to do with.... Something that you tend to forget is our nation which includes me and you decides to send our young men and women into combat be it for domestic or foreign policy relateds operations have thier lives on the line....but when it comes to us opening up our wallets to ensure we have done all we can here at home for our soldiers Sparks fly out our asses because we are so tight with money.....when it comes to defense....but hey whats a bil on security for the olyimpics, or g summit.....i guess lives do have a dollar value on it.....

Why not strap two grunts armed with rigfles and grenades to a kite, all we would need is a huge wind machine...

Not true, our basic contract was for 20 years of maintaence and parts long ago used up, any upgrades we has a nation have to pay for hence the recent upgrade, as for parts they are there , but there is a waiting line up, and while we do get them not before the big countries get them first....and our Supply lines don't stock much which creates shortages on our end due to lack of funding.

Please tell us what info or experience your basing all this on....When your plumber comes over and tells you your plumbing needs replacing do you say it's fine it will last another 20 years, or do your consider replacing it....in this case DND has done everything it can to preserve these old fighters, and spends much of it's budget to maintain them so we can keep thiose 36 aircraft put aside for defense of our airspace.... As for rolling over us....that is what we have defense agreements for....those agreements also come at a cost that we as a nation provide some basics in our defence, modern jets are one of them ....one of the rules is we all stay inter operable with each other...up until the F-18 upgrades we could not even talk to other NATO pilots...as for saving us , not if we decide to walk away for these defense agreements, and chose to defend ourselfs....cause we are just to cheap to do that....

If your maintaining your rifle under fire you've got a problem, I've done 3 tours in Afghan and never had a problem with my rifle that re choking could not fix....the added accuracy and range, can and will save your life...AK -47 lacks this at over 200 to 250 meters....while i could part your balls at 300...and while i will give the AK-47 it's due when it comes to reality, any soldier worth his wieght cleans his rifle every chance he gets, which really negates the reliabilty issue...As for popularity i think is due to it being so cheap not only to manufacture but to purchase on the open market any where in the world....The west controls these type of wpns more.... No my preference would be the C7A2 in 5.56mm for it's accuracy, wieght, small ammo caliber allows carry more ammo, scoped. ...

And the S-400, or the S5000 can't cope with an anti radition missle, designed to home in on radar guided missle installations and take them out no radar no guidance, missle is defeated...Once again the Airforce has spent big dollars ensureing it had counter measures or developed tactics that could defeat any missle..... Another problem with radar guided systems they have to be on to guide it's missle...or find it's target...turning on thier radar now means airbourne surv and sam hunting aircraft now have a psotive fix on thier postion...anything can take out a fixed postion from arty to fast air, to MLRS the list is endless....so it is not an end all be all system....

Shit even a sling shot and a marble could take out a fighter jet, but even murphys law can't screw with the force multiplier of fast air brings.... During op Mudusa fast air was called in several times when the enemy was only 150 meters away, dropping multi 500 lbs on thier postion....the safe distance for one 500 lbs was 800 meters...it's the call of the troops on the ground...and how bad they want air support...dropping anything traveling that fast is risky...but far from useless....It is also a possiable to call in air or arty strikes on your own postion , not advisable but when your outnumber and lossing the battle odds are your going to kill more of them than your own... Are they really ...do you have any proof of that, i mean these aircraft where designed to fight the Cold war, and mother Russia, the king of air defences, from hand held devices to massive ground stations with reachs from 150 meters to well past 60,000 feet....the airforce along with the manufactures have spent trillions of dollars on counter measures....most ground launched sys are simple and can be easily fooled with Chaff or flares...or simply by turning inside the missle track....or climbing past it's maximum alt....and like the WWII rifle occasionally they do get lucky and down an aircraft but how much ordance has those jets already dumped on you.....

Is that how you life your life, Tech is not everything, what year is your home, your car, your apliances...do you practice what you preach.... But you expect those who's very lifes depend on this tech to do with less....i would have thought that as a canaidian citizen we would actually sleep better at night knowing that we as a nation have done everything we could to ensure that our military had every edge over the enemy that we could provide... History is full of examples of Canadians doing just that and soldiers paying for those mistakes with their lifes, Ross rifle comes to mind, Iltis jeep another one.... So while a WWII rifle would pose a threat i do my job that much better knowing that i could hit that same person from 2.5 kms away with a 25 mm HE round turning him into pink mist well before he had a chance to fire a single round at me or any other Canadian soldier....Thats what tech does for you...and while murpys law will always screw with soldiers and those bad guys will mange to kill some of my comrads with a WWII rifle, those with the edge will overcome.... Vietnam and Russia afghan was a war of wills, the US paid a hvy price well over 53,000 young soldiers killed...but how many did the North loss, i'm only guessing but i'd say it was well over 10 times or more that...that is what tech gives you....

I think your misunderstanding, those 20 aircraft are not part of any combat sqn, but rather strictly used to train new fighter jocks in cold lake plus outfit the reseach and developement unit, so they are taken out of the equation... No the simply reality is this, 45 aircraft are not enough to do the mission, regardless if we purchased F-22s. and if the sticker price is a stumbling block and canadians can't choke it down then it's time we ask them WTF they want....And while we all bicker about a few bil here and there, we just spent a bil on the Oylimpic security, very few even batted an eye, now another bil on the G conference, and while yes it has caused a minor bump in the road Canadians will forget all about it soon enough....If your son or daughter was going to suit up to fly one of Canada's first line fighter jets in combat which one do you want them to climb into ? or is the saying true lives do have a price on them.... There is nothing saying that we need to purchase all of our required aircraft in one shot, much like the american system, spreading out the purchase over 10 or 15 years.

While 65 may be consider an increase in the aircrafts capibilities, 65 may not be enough aircraft to cover our present commitments, unless those commitments are downscaled as well. 36 Aircraft are dedicated to Norad, another 20 are dedicated to training, and testing and evals, another 6 are put aside for any NATO commitments, and whats left over is dedicated to Support army commitments.....

Estamates from other sources actually have the Euro fighter as being more expensive depending on the program, and what other equipment ordered Site is old 2006, but they do give detailed discriptions and other links to validate. Euro fighter UK was at 143 US dollars. F-35 US was at 112 US dollars. This prices where based on the entire program, each country has designed, number of aircraft ordered, etc etc and the fact they are 2006 price based, todays prices are much higher... My link/www.defense-

Have you even read the history of the area....The arabs have been trying to push israel into the sea since 48 including those nice palestinians, we all love to talk about....Thats the disease...the symptoms are Israel is running out of options....

Don't like the site goggle has hundrds to pick from, find one to your liking and then attempt to answer the question....How does one become Obese when there is a severe lack of food in the city....women in gaza are rank the 3 rd fattest in the world....and men in Gaza are ranked number 9.....how is that possiable.... I guess perhaps to many meals at that 5 star eatery or maybe to much food at the pool....