Army Guy

I don't think my reasoning is poor, nor my are my conclusions. You've picked a region on the map that shows very little progress, without context of here and when this location is there is nothing to compare it to...i could do the same to make my point... As for the other location of Chasiv Yar, this to is a little misleading as this is a recent push by Russian forces, they've been concentrating on other battle fields todate... this area is seeing intense fighting but that has not always been the way...so you time frame may be of 65 days may be skewed... Fighting in the bakhmut area has said to claim a 100,000 Russian soldiers...Did that battle give pause to russia forces? have they changed tactics? Do you think they know that these gains are expensive ? Russia is not all that concern about their losses in Ukraine it is not in their media, nor do you see any protests about the subject, and yet you guys keep bringing it up like it matters.......In my opinion i don't think the Russian chain of command gives a rats A$$....unless you have a source that explains the continuous meat assaults against ukrainian positions...I've said this a million times Russian don't measure success by causality reports they measure success in ground taken...that much is clear or they would have adopted other approaches to the battle . The Russian military chain of command has made those calculations on what it is going to cost to gain more territory,and when they meet that line in the sand i'm sure they will be ready to discuss that amongst themselves...but it looks like today those numbers are acceptable... That being said I'm 100 % positive that Ukraine can not compete with Russia on resources or manpower long term ...and the present NATO support is barely keeping their head above water...every day Russia is making gains, it does not matter if they are measured in 45 meters a day...Ukraine will not be able to continue this level of fighting forever...and once that happens Russian forces will gain more momentum...UNLESS NATO steps up.. Everyday Ukraine is losing resources faster than they are being supplied...NATO's failure to ensure that this minimum is maintained is telling, more support seems to be on the way but in Ukraines words to slow and not what they have been screaming for... War is expensive and sooner or later NATO is going to tap out...NATO has already spent close to 280 BIL us dollars on aid...and we are no closer to pushing the russian out, in fact they are losing ground everyday...

I've gone back through all my posts that have sources attached, and i'm sorry i can not find where my conclusions have gone sideways from my sources...perhaps you can provide an examples so i can see where i'm or you are going wrong. I thought the map said it all, the areas marked in yellow are recent gains, those in red Russia controlled, blue was Ukraine counter attacks. I'll find another source... below is an updated map that shows Russian gains in the last 24 hours, marked with pink with doted border, , yellow areas are gains but unconfirmed, if you don't want to use this map source i'll find another. Until then the cities i pick are Around the bakhmut area, Chasir yar,lysychansk area, and Donetsk area...these are the areas Russia is currently concentrating on.... https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375

I don't recall using those generals as sources, the sources i used were British General sir Richard Barrons, from BBC article and US general Chris Cavoli also a BBC article....I spend more time correcting you on what i said than answering others that at least know how to use the quote function. want me to respond stop pulling shit from your ass...

give me some time moonbox, i'm not hiding, i'm working on your and others reply

1....To which i have agreed, the cost has been high, i don't think anyone is arguing that point...but not high enough for a demand in change of tactics, or strategy, or change of command what do you think that means. ?..well it means the losses are not the priority here making gains is.. 2....That being said Ukraine is also taking heavy losses as well, in comparison to the size of their military, and pool of replacements. 3...It is not my intention to be obtuse or anything else for that matter these are my opinions, nothing more i have provided many sources that i think back those opinions up...I'm not cheerleading for anything russian, nor am i using any Russian propaganda...I base those opinions on being an infanteer for most of my life, but in the end they are mine and mine alone... 4...It may be filled with putin's sycophants, or maybe they are just people with opinions that differ from yours. I don't think anyone is discounting Russia losses , except perhaps the Russians themselves...which has ben a talking point of mine, Throughout Russian history, it has a much different cultural view of it's soldiers than how the west looks at there's... In the case of this conflict can you seriously tell me Russia is concerned with its men welfare...or does it's priority's lay somewhere else...Since this new Russian general has taken over the tactics that are being used are the same as in WWII, use wave after wave of soldiers until they push them back destroy them...gains are being made...yes at great cost...nobody is arguing that.....I'm merely pointing out, that Russia's metric for success is not how many men they loss...but has ground been taken...while in the west our militaries rely on causality reports...No i'm not a Russian General, just a retired Canadian Soldier who has a much better pension than some Russian soldier.... 5... your right it is all assumption on my part, but actions on the ground tell another story...If one really cares about combat losses one does not keep on smashing ones head against the wall expecting different results each time, even a private can tell you after the 10 th assaults' maybe a change in tactics is call for....Remember the last Russian general was sacked due to lack of progress.... this general is still in charge, i'm sure he is hated by the troops but putin has not called for his removal becasue progress is being made.... 6....you misunderstood what i said...This current general the one that is responsible for all the gains and all the deaths to russian soldiers , there has been no talks or rumors of his dismissal, the chain of command seem happy with the results.......even Russian media are not complaining....the last general was sacked due to lack of progress... 7..... again i think we are on the same page...current NATO support is not cutting the mustard the results of the last 6 months or so are telling, the very fact Russia is making gains however small tells me that support needs to be increased if ukraine hopes to maintain what they have.......increased much more if Ukraine wants to take back captured territory.

What was the discussion ? that Russian gains are meaningless... in my view Thats not the case...if your going to narrow the scope of the discussion then describe the arcs of fire.. My point is this, the only group talking about Russia loses is you guys, and Ukraine...Do you think the Russian general in charge or Putin are so concerned about losses that they are considering another change of command, different tactics, the last Russian general that was replaced was fired for no gains at all...I have not heard of any rumblings about replacing the Russian general for failing to take enough ground have you ?.... Yes Russia has reached out to other nations for assistance....they have like ukraine just incorporated the use prisoners , also changing their conscription ages and edibility standards. It all boils down to this question can how long can Ukraine manage to survive with this level of NATO support ? Where is the line in the sand where ukraine says enough we have lost enough territory ? I'm asking becasue in my opinion they are close to that now within the next year or year and 1/2...thats not just my best guess but some American generals comments as well... OK so NATO has been investing into ukraines fight...no one is saying any different....I think the results of that support are pretty clear for anyone to see......they are keeping Russia from over running the country, Russia is still gaining ground, they may be small gains...MORE support by NATO could stop those gains or allow Ukraine to go on the offensive...that level of support is not been talked about until 2025... MY point has ALWAYS been NATO needs to step up in a big way to allow Ukraine to throw Russia from Ukraine...right now i think everyone agrees NATO could do a lot more...but instead talks alot but is lacking action or equipment on the ground... If NATO is not going to step up and allow Ukraine to win this conflict then Ukraine needs to look at other options... NATO wants the same thing it wants Ukraine to bleed Russia, but it also does not want to poke the bear any more than it needs to...hence why the support is just enough for stalemate...at best...Ukraine can not win a battle of attrition with Russia...

You continue to show me that you are having reading comprehension issues...I did not say anything of what your accusing me of saying...hard to debate someone that can not comprehend what your saying. Your comments about how many Russia died in wwii is a moot point, Ukraine is not Russia nor does it have the same type of government, Stalin was a mass murderer, he ruled with fear and death....Ukraine is nothing like Russia...Russia still today does not give a shit about it's soldiers or equipment losses... Ukraine itself can not win this war alone...Thats not Russian narrative Thats a fact...if it was true Ukraine would have pushed Russia out by now...

Those gains may be insignificant to him,and others but to ukraine they hold a much different meaning, it is ground that they will have to regained, and in the process lose more men and equipment.....in the last 4 or 5 months Russia gains have surpassed all gains Ukraine made during their offensive...which means Ukraine has gained little to no ground in the last 3 years, and at what cost....well it has cost them according to US intel sources 70,000 dead, and over 170,000 wounded about 20 % of it's total military strength.... It's lack of progress has NATO dithering over how much support it is really giving...there are lots of talks about a new wave of support coming, but very little has arrived and what has arrived is not enough to swing the russian momentum... So right now Ukraine is bleeding resources faster than they can be replaced...And Russian losses of men and equipment are insignificant to Russia chain of command, have they changed tactics, no, have they replaced the chain of command no, Russia does not give a rats a$$ how many they loss in a day no, as long as they making gains...thats not me saying that or cheerleading for russia, that is just facts... Russia has been pushing hard since the Republicans stall Ukraines aid package, and the rest of NATO failed to take up the slack...and Russia has been making gains every since... It is not all about the last month, it has been about the last 5 or 6 months...NATO support has dwindled to the point Ukraine can not go on the offensive that really matters...it does not have the equipment , ammo , to do any of that in fact it is struggling on defense... I want to be very clear here, Ukrainian forces have done an assume job at holding back Russia...But after 3 years of constant war, has taken an effect on Ukrainian forces, and it's manpower...NATO is sitting back talking a good game, but in most cases is just watching it all unfold...NATO support is the only one that can save more of Ukraine from falling to the Russia...I'm not cheer leading or pushing any point for the Russia propaganda machine... Everyone on this post has stated that NATO support is lacking...everyone knows that Ukraine is losing equipment faster than it can be replaced... SO maybe i'm just a dumb grunt...but maybe someone can explain to me, how the lack of NATO support, lack of equipment and munitions , a tired military how all that translates in to victory...when Russia which seems to be at the moment enjoying advantages in manpower, munitions and equipment and really does not care how many people or machines it losses....And when you take all of this into account it does not paint a pretty picture, at least not positive in ukraines direction... Given NATO history how long do you think they are going to keep on supporting Ukraine, with the numbers they have been...keeping in mind that NATO has other interests around the globe, lets not forget China's threat to retake Taiwan in the up coming years...add to that NATO rearming process, and now how the Middle east has basically come out in support of Iran and their terrorist organization...throw all that into the same bowl mix it up really good and now tell me Can NATO continue to support Ukraine at its current level in the next couple of years... and even it it does, what state is ukraines military going to be in, and what gains would russia have made in that time period... If you were in charge of Ukraine, what options would you be considering right now...

Once again i've backed all my posts with sources....and you have provided very little to make you point... If you are gaining ground then you are advancing , it's not a trick question or statement, that map i provided you illustrated the gains for 2 days, measured in KM....not for the entire war as you suggest, but in the last 2 days on combat.......in the time it took to explain that to you that map has already changed, and Yuri's out house is KM in the rear view mirror...if your going to make claims then be prepared to back them up at least with a source , and not some map at 1/ 500,000 taken from outer space those maps i provided a map with a measuring device built into the program, use it and tell me it's just yuri's back yard... What is a joke is every media outlet on the globe is printing stories of Russian gains...gains everyday...and you dismiss all of them. that's not a me problem thats a you problem...

I'm moving the goalposts, this is getting way to funny, it time of the war civilian casualties have not yet reached critical mass , or enough to make a difference, I've been telling you all along that it is this resource that is under threat, it is about the fighting age men and women that are fighting the war, they can't win a war of attrition with Russia...

Look i even highlighted it for you, i think you have a reading or comprehension problem...I'll go over it again, just for you..., before the war Ukraine HAD a population of 42,million....in early 2023 that population had shrunk to almost 37,million due to people fleeing the country......In JULY 2023 Ukrainian controlled population shrunk to as low as 28 million....also due to people fleeing the country.....That info was provided by the UN...not sure how that is gas lighting... Show me where i said the population was 37 million before the war...go back a reread it a few times...I gave the source that phrase came from so you could read it , then understand it.... You do know that your numbers count total population, men , women and children....which if we used your numbers every Ukrainian citizen regardless of age is capable of fighting....maybe you should be just counting fighting age men and women, deduct those already killed or wounded, then tell us what is percentage is left of the Ukrainian army...and how long they are going to last... And why is it all these NATO generals are stating the exact opposite of what you are saying...I have to say your terrible at this debating thing...and very terrible about the knowledge of this conflict...did you even read those sources...no you did not... I broke it down into color codes so you can easily compare it to what i said...and how you misinterpreted it ... According to the United Nations, Ukraine has a population of 36,744,636 as of 2023.[5] In July 2023, Reuters reported that due to the refugee outpouring into Western Europe, the population of Kyiv-controlled areas may have decreased to as low as 28 million.[6] This is a steep decline from 2020, when it had a population of almost 42 million people.[7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

Recruiting has quotas it has to keep...screw them...they might not like Kirpans but your rights are enshrined in law....and they can't buck the law or charter of rights....if you want to soldier then stand up and fight for your right to defend this nation....there are recruiting centers in every city, each with their own quotas start shopping...... I've soldiered with dozens of nations soldiers, and dozens of different Canadians,from pretty much every back ground.... never had problems with any one race or creed or religion...we all have one thing in common we all bleed red for our flag and king...

I have yet to see much in the way of evidence that counters what i have provided... Russia has been making advances , not counted in meters but in KMs, and yes you have to zoom it out to get the true size of the gains, unlike your map at 1 over 500,000 which is hard to see anything in detail...but that was intentional to prove your point...Still bent out shape at the cost, have you seen Russia complain about there losses...have they changed tactics, tried something new...the last senior general was relieved because of no progress...the map i showed you is from a few days ago it has already changed, with more Russian gains.... advancing is advancing , almost as stupid as saying they are not making any gains...when every media outlet on the planet is telling a much different story....Ukraines military is say the same thing, maybe they are onto something....provide a credible source that states your point , And yet Russian troops are breaking through Ukraineian lines and moving forward... And yet currently Russia is maintaining the momentum because they are right now they have more resources, in all areas....And NATO maintains enough support to maintain status quo...and giving the Russians a small advantage which it is using to advance...NATO has many other priorities' that take precedence over supporting Ukraine...like or it or not...The real question is why is NATO not growing tired of this conflict and just boost support to push the russians out? it is creating a draw on their own efforts to rearm... If NATO does not step up with more support, how is ukraine going to survive...I guess those 3 NATO generals who also posted almost the same things i've been stating has been listening to the same podcasts...I think they should be able to make educated opinions on the topic, as they do it everyday...you guys act like i made all this up....

According to the United Nations, Ukraine has a population of 36,744,636 as of 2023.[5] In July 2023, Reuters reported that due to the refugee outpouring into Western Europe, the population of Kyiv-controlled areas may have decreased to as low as 28 million.[6] This is a steep decline from 2020, when it had a population of almost 42 million people.[7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine I know more false hoods...your really going to have to do your own research, goggle is a wonderful thing, let me you if this source is a problem for you there are literally hundreds more... Please Point out where i lied, or mislead the readers , ...and if your right i will admit my mistakes, I did make a case for talks...If NATO is not going to give them the tools to win, then what ?,I've asked you this a few times now , i know you don't answer questions.... I've given out atleast a dozen sources that state the same thing i have...they are not feelings they are facts or suggestion from people that are experts in their fields...that solve these problems all the time...maybe it is time to read some of those sources... Point those inaccurate statements out, with facts and sources of your own..., thats what a debate is an exchange of ideas and conversations, so far all you have been able to do is tell me i'm wrong....that and i love mother Russia for some reason...

Have you watched those committees with the CBC heads in them, bragging about letting people to go so they could afford to keep their bonus...It might not be the first thing to go but it is going...once in office he can pi$$ off who ever he wants for 4 years besides Canadians have a short memory that much we learned off the liberals'...if he is going to fix some things he is going to break some eggs that much is sure...

I'm sorry but thats who they are giving priority to, If you are a canadian resident, fit both physically and mentally. you will fully qualify...as you are from a racial background you should be able to place fairly easily...it has nothing to do with what race you are , just that you are not white it gives you a couple extra points on the acceptance form... You don't want to sound to eager, they are not looking for RAMBO, they are looking for someone with good mental health and good physical being to mold ...trust me anyone can make today's standards...my pet gopher is a Canadian commando...judged by today's standards... Now things will change once your out of basic... You get to a combat unit, and your 300 lbs your in for some hurt a lot of hurt....they don't care if you passed basic or what color/ religion you are ....their lives depend on your ability to shoot move and communicate......and they will ride your ass every minute your alive until you can maintain BN pt every day and meet the BN standards...which is normally 8 to 10 kms run ( not Jog) or heavy ruck march, with a poop load of push ups, pull ups,etc etc thrown in...sometimes twice a day depending if the OC of the company is having a good day...your going to sweat and a lot...some days this will happen twice in one day... During training as an infanteer you'll hear god a lot...that will be your Sgt or other SNR NCO, yelling in your face to get moving...your to slow..sometimes you don't hear god, until he kicks your ass...trust me you'll talk to some god of your choosing asking them to make the pain stop, let you go just one more KM......and if god likes you you'll get to wear a regimental cap badge that tells the world you belong here and tells the other pogs not to screw with you...POGS is everyone that is not an infanteer...everyone else is a wanna be...

First off your comparison is complete bullshit....no two wars are the same...And if we used your logic Ukraine could fight every man women and child to make up for the same losses as Russia had or some other country...i'm sure they are looking at your statement in amazement... Ukraine has a total population of around 37, million, with a large chunk of that has fled the country....and not 37 million fighting age people, Total military strength of about of regular forces about 190,000, and with 900,000 in reserve * note in front lines...Ukraine has lost according to US estimates up to 70,000 personal...and 100,000 to 140,000 wounded...with over 10,500 Ukrainian civilian deaths...I've been told my math is bad but at what i see is they have already lost 20 % of their fighting force, and if things were all cheery why is there a critical shortage of fighting troops... Draft-dodging plagues Ukraine as Kyiv faces acute soldier shortage https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-faces-an-acute-manpower-shortage-with-young-men-dodging-the-draft/ Well here is a quote from some NATO generals who might also by rooting for Russia as you say....First one is from your home country is it not...How dare he the cheeky bastard.... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68778338 https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-hang-on-in-2024-to-win-in-2025-putin-zelenskky-russia-counteroffensive/ US general warns time running out for Ukraine without US aid https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-general-warns-time-running-out-ukraine-without-us-aid-2024-04-10/ More of the same Russian cheerleaders.... Here is what life is like for Ukrainian soldiers, here is how they describe ineffective Russian arty....how did he describe it a living hell.... https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-general-warns-time-running-out-ukraine-without-us-aid-2024-04-10/ You've been spewing lies about me and this issue from the start of this post...No where have i even come close to say i was cheerleading for the russians..Becasue you don't like the facts i have been providing you have branded me a Russian cheerleader....I guess thats your style of debating, when you have nothing constructive to say you make shit up...I know you won't read any of these sources, they are already branded russia cheerleaders by you people...I responded to your post because i thought you could debate honestly, and without all the drama...i guess not...I'm not interested in your drama sorry.

Army does not hate Sikhs, just white men, if your from a racial background your already have several advantages...now if you were a women Sikh/ black/ indigenous at the same time, that plays broomball, and curling and a lesbian with a disability,one eye, that can shit over a 6 ft fence on a windy day, you'd already be in boot camp...

What he does not understand is Ukraine is paying a huge price in blood and treasure...and all of it is limited in scope and size in comparison to Russia's ...sooner or later it will run out if NATO does not step it up soon ...which right now there is no NATO agreement or will to do so...he seems oblivious to the price they have already paid, while NATO dithers in talks but little action...

And what beliefs are those that are tainting my reasoning? You mean like Russia has been steadily advancing, or perhaps Ukraine is short on resources, or that Russia arty is doing it's job, NATO needs to step up it's support, those conclusions, I've reread all my sources and they are stating exactly what i posted, I mean i could use different sources i found tons of them, that back up what i'm been saying or trying to.... Maybe i'm not explaining it very well, hence why i throw the sources in...

Your really hanging on until the end aren't you...I think the polls tells us everything we need to know, but hey there is also judged by his performance and getting things done in this nation..lets not even go to all the scandals him and most of his cabinet has made...So i can think of atleast 2 dozens major reasons to not to vote Liberal...and wanting change for the sake of change is not one of them... according to the polls Canada is full of bozos depending on the side you vote for...like at least 27 % of Canadians are still supporting the liberals...Conservatives at 41 %....

US is now pumping 1.5 billion dollars into several nations ammo manufacture capacity...including Canada's manufacturers to send ammo to Ukraine...bullets we don't need any stinking bullets..

You don't think justin and his policies have anything to do with that, people flocking to PP want change, who is going to give that to them.....it is obvious that the liberal party is not going to do that , you think the current NDP is up to that challenge, or maybe the green party...

Well after we burnt down the white house we got favorable terms...We are not sure who came out better, you or us

Still making friends i see, you keep trying one day you'll grow up...