Bakunin

Bullshit.Bakunin, pourquoi y a-t-il dix députés conservateurs québécois au fédéral, à Ottawa? Pourquoi? Que répondre? Trudeau a eu beaucoup de succès parce qu'il n'y avait pas d'autre choix, ça l'a été longtemps comme cela et c'est aussi ce qui explique le succès de chrétien et de murloney. Quand l'adversaire n'est pas là tu gagnes par défaut c'est tout. Pour ce qui est des 11 députés conservateurs je pense que Harper a été bien conseillé pour aller chercher le vote de droite dans la région de Québec. Il a dit ce que les gens voulaient entendre, une décentralisation des pouvoirs et moins de gouvernement. C'était tentant de se débarasser des libéraux et de donner une chance aux conservateur de montrer ce qu'ils veulent faire. Je ne comprend pas pourquoi tu pourrais prétendre que les Québécois sont pour la centralisation, il n'y a absolument aucun journaliste ou intellectuel au Québec qui le prône, même jean charest est pour une décentralisation, qui est probablement le premier ministre le plus fédéraliste que le Québec ai connu depuis la deuxième guerre mondial. La révolution tranquille a été basée sur cela, tu te rappelles du slogan "Maître chez nous" ? des batailles menées par Duplessis, Jean Lesage, de Johnson père et fils, Robert bourrassa et Lévèsques et Claude ryan et ensuite Allaire et Dumont, ils ont tous fini par prôner une espèce de confédéralisme ou de Québec autonome. Tous sans exception, la seule différence c'est qu'ils avaient des stratégies différentes pour y parvenir. Je ne comprends pas comment tu pourrais affirmer qu'il y aurait un mouvement centralisateur au Québec. Un mouvement fédéraliste certe mais pas centralisateur. C'est sûrement le discours le moins populaire au Québec.

Bakunin, that would be easier to believe if Quebecers hadn't voted massively for Trudeau in every federal election in which he ran. He won by default because the other party where unknown to quebeckers before the constitutional crisis and murloney's "beau risque" wich lead to one of the worst score ever for the liberal.

Then quit whinning all the time about quebeckers like a racist would do... No other province have as much willing to get rid of that ineffective and disproportionate federal government. No other province fight with as much vigor against the trudeauist uthopia.

I have to agree with august, if the federal government would stop governing like a provincial government, then there would be alot less cultural trouble. I think Harper understood that. Give me the name of one province fighting harder and with more vigor than Quebec to get rid of the federal centralisation ? However, it is the ONLY blamed province for the problem caused by that centralisation ! Whatever we do, we are always the one blamed, i rarely see ppl on this forum trying to understand quebeckers, all i see is lots of prejudices and anger.

Thats what i thought, the same policy will always be wrong in quebec and right evrywhere else, in other word there is no point to discuss because the problem is in your head...

There is really no points in responding to iamcanadian2 but it is such offensive.... When your saying "make every effort to segragate French Speaking Canadians" Then what do you think about unilingual english speaking school in quebec ?

OK its the last time i reply, i think i made my points and its summer, i don't want to lose my time in front of the PC For the school, on the document, i wrote billingual but on the document it was written "french and english". For the immersion program i did it in 6th grade, ( 6ieme année primaire). i went on the "CSDM" wich is one "commission scolaire", i found at least 3 schools that where part of the immersion program in that commission (1-6-7). http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=48...query=immersion http://www.csdm.qc.ca/Csdm/etablissements/...r=0&OrdreEns=MA I think i found what you wanted though, here is a link from canadian heritage website that explains the services: http://www.canadianheritage.gc.ca/progs/lo...h/question.html Here is another document saying there are 18 english hospital in quebec vs 1 in ontario. http://www.mef.qc.ca/docs/scandale.htm

it mean it is split up between english and french to give access in region where there may not have enough english student to fill an entire school. As for immersion i have no idea how many school offer it but i did have english immersion in my small regional french only school. I loved it however i know im still doing many grammar mistake. For the hospital, i beleive you could be served in english anywhere with no problem. Actually the only way you will find ppl that can't speak a bit the language is to talk to someone with no education like very old ppl or ppl that failed their english class wich IMO would be very hard to find within any hospital staff. Im not aware of any billingualism policy act but i do know that the only truly billingual place in canada are ottawa,montreal and a few place in new brunswick. Not "officially" or with "Policy" but in practice with the fact.

Healthcare: "Health care is available in French and English in all of Québec's hospitals" http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/v...ion7/7_1-an.htm Schools: ~400 english schools, ~100 billingual http://www.bdso.gouv.qc.ca/bdso/ken_tablea...%26p_position=6

Im not working for the government, i have no idea about billingualism policy but what i know is the services are 10-20 times better adapted... In montreal its almost an invasion... in some part of the city its harder to be served in french than in english. The Quebec governement had to legislate so that immigrants at least try to integrate the society.

Oh, and just to make things clear... lets bring up the REAL numbers... Mcgill university and its Medical School in quebec lose each year about 50% of the doctor they form. Most of them for ontario and united states. Quebec is one of the province losing the most doctor in Canada. between 1995/2002 the migration is -355 doctors. The worst thing is that actually the english quebeckers will get 1,58 billions to build there new english hospital representing ~8-9% of the population. the french quebeckers will get 1.54billions to build their new hospital... However i beleive english canada will treat us like if we had some kind of nazi government, and that we are lazy, untrustworthy, second class peoples stealing jobs. sources: http://www.unseulchu.org/

I just fail to understand why some peolpe here keep comparing quebeckers to nazi, racist and "evil" people like if it was hell to be english in quebec, like if it was worst than being in a prison when they get 10-20x times the services the french get in ontario. I mean why do i read complain all the time about french outside quebec having too much services & stealing jobs and complain about english ppl not treated well enough in quebec ?

500 000 french speaking ppl in ontario have ~ 400 bed... and you complain about it WOW !! The english mega-hospital project will have ~ 800 beds... its twice bigger and there are already a few english-only hospital...

He's an agitator, a bit like a Political Don Cherry. Thats the bad thing about Quebec right wings movement, they have lots of valid points but their main political image is built around a bunch of agitator mastering the art of exaggeration.

On another subject but on the same topic, 2 mega-hospital will be built in montreal for ~ 3,3 billions... One english and one french... i think its totally absurd, our politicians for "political corectness" want to build 2 huge hospital when they could make one and make it billingual. 77% of french want 1 billingual hospital, 65% english want 1 billingual hospital. For once there is a concencus...

Here here! Canada is more a mingling of independant states anyways, why must we keep living this costly lie? Either fix it, or end it. Exactly, what is the point of forming a country if we can't enjoy it and be proud of it...

I think that a constitution is the heart of a country, if it cannot be built to satisfy evry region of the country then it has no value and the current constitution has no value. If a country can't have that then it doesnt deserve to exist.

The liberal are done in quebec for at least the 10 next year, no interesting candidate of quality will come from quebec however if we look at the last 40years, i guess the quality of the leaders has never been a priority for the liberals.

I think he meant trustworthy compared to the other liberals ...

The truth is Team canada headquarter became corrupt like politics with Gretzky and his friend in place. I can't beleive Pat Quinn was choosed as head coach... Wich is prolly why Mcabe was choosed over Dion Phaneuf. Second thing, there is no brilliant explanation not to use Staal and Spezza. I just can't beleive they choosed Drapper over Tanguay... Who the hell wouldn't choose him over a third line second hand utility player. The defence was terrible, Pronger really sucked... Blake is too old, Foote is good for retirement... The only thing that can explain this is that the headquarter is corrupt, Gretzky must leave, we should let Sutter or perhaps Patrick Roy clean this mess and build a team we can be proud of.

"Québec solidaire", This is what i hate about political stereotype. The name was taken in reaction to the "Québec lucide" document. The more i learn about politics, the more it disgust me, all the philosophy, rational arguments, social discussion and etc are gone. The kind of left represented by this party is exactly like that, it is built on exactly like if we where still in the 60's, just like if nothing hapenned in 45 years and if we didn't learned of our mistakes. I can't see a constructive political party in "Québec solidaire", the only thing i see is an organisation built on lots of dogmas a bit like the church. What i like of a party is his ability to get the good things of the left and the good things of the right to bring us a complex and modern government. The good news about it is a dogmatic left party will ironically help those party.

I like bernier, i hope he will get an economic minister.

I disagree, i thing its a very good thing and ppl should be realist, terrorism won't stop just like that in the next few years, however, having a hamas government will certainly slow down terrorism on the long run because IMO terorrism happend only when hope of change through politics is gone. Now they will work on organizing themself and hope will come back.

So he may succeed or just die in a few month as a minority government, evrything is possible.

I think its clear enough that harper got the adq votes, he's even stronger than the adq has ever been, the result where similar to a provincial election between the liberal, the pq and the adq. Im pretty much surprised though that the bloc only lost 3 deputy in total while something like 9 out of 10 conservative seats where stealed to the bloc. It means the conservative came out strong only outside montreal and in montreal the bloc came out strong. Now, for harper, i think he doesn't have the choice but to try to do its best to bring quebec back into the federation because if he can't keep it or if he fails to be a good government, it will isolate quebec and he will lose the BQ support, their only ally as a minority government. In other word, i think it will be funny to see how the BQ and the Conservative can work togheter when the sucess of a government would help the conservative and a failure would help the bloc , i wonder how they will react to each other, it will be interesting to see the political game.