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Harper come talk about gay marriage... Then forget to present the candidate that was with him at the press conference (the reason he was coming here), then the journalists ask the CPC lieutnant what his her view on the C-20 law and the gay marriage and the lieutnant run away without responding. Something similar happened before, where harper went here to support the stars-wars anti-missile bullshit. Or he come but doesn't reply to the question asked about his program... Well, i hope they are doing a better job in ontario because im very tired of the liberals...

Ok, here are my prediction: Total 306 BQ:57 They will win the Pierre pettigrew, Liza frulla & Denis paradis county wich will pratically mean the death of the remaining Liberal quebec wing. This mean more than 50% of the vote and a boost to the sovreignist movement. CPC: 102 Lib: 118 NDP: 29 I won't say county by provinces because out of quebec, i have absolutly no idea of how things are percieved. The only thing i feel is that Harper won't do miracle. At best he could override the liberal and form a government with the help of the bloc. The election will however change many things, first, it could mean harper or paul martin retirement. It could lead to a national crisis if its a liberal minority again. It could mean some kind of putch if paul martin doesn't perform and bring a majority government. It could be a liberal minority government but at the will of the conservative & bloc wich would hold the power. it could even mean a liberal majority government but thats quite unlikly because of the bloc.

This is what ppl used to say in the 60's, sure, many ppl & business left quebec but the quebeckers took their place and remplaced those business. Quebeckers passed from cheap labor to owners. Some may say Montreal lost its place to Toronto but what place was that ? They lost the english business community to gain and build a french business community wich was a necessity to attain a better and more representative economic system.

Anyone remember what Jean Lapierre, quebec wing liberal lieutnant said when he joined the liberals ? http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/02/05/lapierre040205

I think its the opposite, this is clearly what paul martin wants, he wants to talk about soverignty because he knows that alot of federalist in quebec simply won't go voting because of the frustration of gomery. The liberal are at their lowest and thei are deseperate to get more vote. What Paul martin wants is to revive the debate to rally the federalist vote wich has a potential of 50% of the vote. But the sovreignist won't bite. Im convince they won't reply exaclty like they did last election.

One thing that was interesting in a recent documentary was that the liberal party was preparing to expel its quebec wing and even the prime minister in 1995. As for in 1980's, Trudeau made it clear that he was fighting for his seats, if he was losing, he would have quit the liberal party. One thing is sure, with a quebec prime minister, the federalist camp will have either to find a new chief fast or call for an election, while they do that, the quebec government will have all the time to declare uniterally its independance and get recognition from france while the federal government reorganise itself. Their only chance to invalidate the referendum is by keeping its quebec wing and by invalidating a winning referendum, it will be chaos. This is why chretien wanted the clarity act, to prepare the possibility to invalidate a winning referendum. however nobody know if he was ready to do it or if paul martin or someone else would be ready to do this because this would clearly mean allot more chaos than a winning referendum accepted.

You should learn Canadian history. The British invaded Quebec, however, Quebec joined confederation on its own 100 years later. The idea that Quebec is a conquered nation like the former SSRs is nothing but seperatist propaganda. Comparing the current gov't in Canada to the gov'ts in the former SSRs is about as accurate as comparing the PQ to the Nazi party. I.e. there is no comparison and it rediculous for you the even suggest there is one. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Joining a country for military and economic reason when you are under british occupation and finally gaining representativity was definatly a gain at that time. I totally agree that canada ain't ussr but their are a few similarities. The confederative idea ain't far from the soviet vision. Nobody can deny that canada is built out of a pact from multiple nations and region. There is absolutly no link between a quebecker an inuit and a british columbian except that they all like hockey. A pact of nations can't be like a natural nation, its all about finding a vision that evryone can agree with. Its a constant work for its survival. as for my vision of the country, ill clarify it: FACTS: out of touch, corrupt, inflexible. OPINIONS: almost dictatorial and manipulative central government.

For transportation, Either themselves or their party. However it doesn't cost a thousand dollars to go talk to the youth... It takes time and a good car, thats it.

Fine, then prove it !... prove to us that someone outside politics like parizeau or the opposition chief landry made their tour trough public funding and disguised as a government information. If you can't then it will prove what i think, that its your usual bullshitting... And tell us about the extremist group you where part of... Was it funded by the liberal party ?

Canada was built for the same reason the USSR was built..., for economical and military reason. If it does the same mistake, it will end up just like it did over there, many region forming their own country, tired of the out of touch, corrupt, inflexible, almost dictatorial and manipulative central government.

Yes, that is why there is a sense of tranquility, harmony and unity upon the land and its people.The biggest problem we have in this country is the people who collect the taxes are not the same people who are responsible for delivering the services. This leads to a perverse system where the people delivering the services can excuse their own failures by simply blaming the people who collect the taxes. We really need to address the broken chain of responsibility in this country.Personally, I think the all federal transfers (except for equalization) to provincial gov'ts should be eliminated and federal taxes reduced accordingly. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree with that, and if possible, we should favorize "not impose" provincial partnership, provincial trades and to do that, the province will need that extra money from taxes. We need to base the system on a win-win approach, where nobody is forced to do something he don't want but where they chose exaclty what they want and doesn't want to do and where a true spirit of unity and partnership will prevail. However, august is not pessimist in his message, he his realist. I can't see how it could happend, at least not with the liberals

Yes, of course, the No vote is concentrated in the pre 60's generation but this is why i think that the post 95 generation will be determining because from now, the post boomers generation are mostly in favor of sovreignty but the recent regain is due to the young generation frustrated about gomery and jean charest. Sovreignty was going up of about 2% per years, that must be the old generation taking less place and the other 4-5% in reaction to charest's government, paul martin and the gomery scandal where mostly from the young generation who can't identigy their vision with the liberal vision and they are starting to take position. Once they seriously take position, then the vote start to crystalize and this is where i see the danger for the "no" camps. Nobody can do anything about the old generation dying but if there is a new and definitive way to change the debate, it will be with the new generation taking position. Ps: im no more in Cegep , and i never really talked about politics with profs but i talked to alot of ppl my age and most of them still don't know wich way to go and im one of those. Most of them just didn't took the time to listen to the provincial political debate and if ever they have to vote, if ever there is a referendum then im sure the 2-3 first weeks they will listen to each camps and then massively vote for one or another and it wont be previsible just like the 95's referendum when Bouchard came and brought with him alot of young undecided voters. ... The cegeps tours aren't funded with public money, Parizeau who isn't a PQ member anymore do them evry years, Landry who was in the opposition last year did those tours too, i can't see how he could spend public money when he his on the opposition...

I think its quite clear the PQ with boisclair will be more based on strategy and the preparation of the next referendum. Its clearly all about the new generation, the generation that didn't vote in 95 because the older one who did vote already have their minds set. This is where i find your post interesting. When you say that the federalist have no more credible leader it is true. Gomery did hurt the PLC pretty hard, it will continue to hurt them for a few years. Now how do you want to convince the youth about your project with no credible leader ? The PQ just elected a young politician, someone that is well connected with the youth. The PLQ is as much in bad shape in quebec than the PLC. The PQ couldn't have a better situation to start the work and convince the youth of the sovreignist project. They never had much trouble in the past to do it, And they always worked hard on it, its with no doubt their best card for the next referendum, they are constantly touring in the cegep, Bernard landry visited almost all the cegep in quebec in the last year. they always did a better job than the federalist to convince the youth and now you give them a big scandal about the federal, you give them the most loved quebec politician "Duceppe" with a young politician like Boisclair against 2 governments in power that they can easily critics all day long. An unpopular Paul martin and Jean charest. Now what better environnment could they hope for to start to convince the new generation ?

Him happy for him, he seems a promising chief but i think evrything is gonna begin when we will see what kind of team he will gather and what kind of vision he will push for.

its a weird votation system because you choose for 4 candidate in the same vote so yeah, it could lead to surprise. We will see tuesday. As for dumont, he his not a bad politician but, he doesn't have a strong team. He his alone by himself and he isnt very good at selling its party to peoples.

There are max 2,5 years left so the tradition would be an election in april 2007, and the limit is april 2008. However the government could strategically try to do an election in 2006 a bit like chretien did against the alliance. However that could be risky. There are also rumors that the liberals could push charest out of politics so they can restart with a fresh candidate. And it could be pretty possible that at the election, the liberal push for another "meech" like constitutional negociation. And as for the PQ, they all engaged to do a referendum in the first part of the mandate so in the first 2years, a bit like parizeau in 1995. In other word, if they get elected then a referendum is 99,9% sure to happend.

I found a nice poll that explain well the race. http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20051111...26/CPACTUALITES If Boisclair become prime minister, here is what the poll show: PQ - Boisclair : 41% ADQ - Dumont: 22% PLQ - Charest: 21% If Marois become prime minister: PQ - Marois: 35% ADQ - Dumont: 29% PLQ - Charest 23% If Legendre become prime minister: ADQ - Dumont: 31% PQ - Legendre: 28% PLQ - Charest 23% The other 4-5 candidates have no chance in the leadership course. Ok so as we see, Boisclair is able to get 2% of Liberals and 6-10% from the Adq. ADQ = Right wing, new generation party. conservative and progressist. And im part of that 6-10% , honestly im going for Dumont unless Boisclair gets elected and shake the PQ to bring it ideologically back where it was with Bouchard wich i think has a strong chance to happend. I want to see a tony blair style third way party ^^. I hope he will clean up the party and bring young people with him as a minister and this is where evrything change IMO, the pq is a coalition so they have a great depth of young politicians that could be skilled enough to become minister and remplace the old guard and on that point, they could bring up a better government than the ADQ but on the other hand, i doubt marois would be able to bring up a new set of ministers, she would problably keep landry's old minister.

I totally agree. I think that it is all about the new generation. Older generation have already set their minds. The newer one, the one that didn't vote in 1995 and that never really thought about it will be the most important factor. Those generation have never seen another form of federal government than the liberal one... I think that for this reason, the gomery comission is very important and so is the next election. If the liberals win again, i think sovreignty will get another momentum because quebecker really want to make the liberals pay and lose the next election.

They wouldn't exist as we know them for sure because it seems its the only province to fight with vigor and determination for a decentralized canada where the federal would have to respect his juridictions. There is a political cost in quebec evry time the federal put's his nose in that province business.

hmm, thats weird, i always thought that to derail progress there had to be some kind of "progress". But the only thing i see is degression. Or maybe they meant a negative progression. The funniest thing is they will end up using healthcare as an argument to re-elect the PLC by scaring people about healthcare reform when canada's system is such old and inadapted that it can only be compared with cuba and north korea's one ...

I have noticed a lot of federalists that I know are increasing becoming convinced that the federal gov't should get completely out of funding programs in provincial juristition and lower taxes accordingly. I assume this would be a good basis to start a discussions. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The only political party that is proposing anything close to that is the Conservatives. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And its not a surprise that the bloc get along very well with the conservative. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Bloc supports the Tories on this issue because they want to limit Ottawa's interference in Quebec...they couldn't care less about the implications in the ROC. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think that if it wasn't of quebec, the provinces wouldn't existe anymore... because the liberal federal couldn't care less about respecting the provincial "juridictions".

I have noticed a lot of federalists that I know are increasing becoming convinced that the federal gov't should get completely out of funding programs in provincial juristition and lower taxes accordingly. I assume this would be a good basis to start a discussions. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The only political party that is proposing anything close to that is the Conservatives. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And its not a surprise that the bloc get along very well with the conservative.

Strong words, but do you think Quebequers are willing to accept that the Canada is not a federation of two nations but a federation of many provinces with their own distinct identities? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> As long as there is enough air to breath as a province. The Meech accord would have been a good start.

A bridge between the 2 culture has to be built and it won't be easy. The heart and soul of a democratic country is a constitution. I think that one of the important step will be to build a constitution that will fit for evryone, not just the quebecker or just ontario or the west, a constitution that evryone can agree on and that is not easy to do for a country like canada.

:/ i understand how you can feel. But the language barrier bring the media barrier wich bring the cultural barrier wich bring the way of living barrier and etc... I think that it would be hard to fusion both cultures and stop the hemoragy there but if i was a die hard federalist the first thing id try to do would be to try to instore a strong and interesting national media center wich would then diffuse the same culture and way of living and thinking and etc... If it can't start there then i guess 1 nation is an impossible mission.