Bakunin

Parizeau was crucified after that speech, since that he is not well seen in quebec, he was right about the money spent by the "no" camp wich was violating the laws . About ethnic vote, well people really didnt like that comment, It is true that their where major irregularity about immigrant getting their citizenship just before the referendum. it is also true that in some immirant or anglophone county the vote was very strong for the no like 98% but its their choice, you just have to blame the sovreignist from doing a bad job to convince them. A vast majority of people didn't agree with the part of the speech like you say where he said "we" got 60% of the vote, and the way he blamed the ethnic vote when they have has much right to vote as us. Many didn't like parizeau because he was a hard liner, thats why without bouchard jumping in the yes campain, the no would have won with a better score. You can't blame the people to vote for him, just like people voted for jean chrétiens without knowing what he made with the sponsorship scandal. Consider this: Its not because your against the war in iraq that your intolerant torward american. Its not because your against a merge between usa and canada that your intolerant torward american. now a fact. If your intolerant torward american their are good chance you disagree on the war on iraq and you don't want to merge with them. On the other hand intolerant american react exaclty the same way torward intolerant canadian. ------ Its the same thing going on with quebec and canada, from both side their are intolerant people, sometime they actually make it up to a good political seats like (chretien and his friend ) and (parizeau and his friend). A good thing is that quebec and canada both cleaned the table and got rid of those hard liner. (in fact the confidence vote that landry lost was partially because of the hard liner vote and the pauline marois friend wich arent hard liner but oportunists.) But behind a movement such as federalism and sovreignism there are rational argumentation just like an argumentation behind canada not being part of america.

That is a pretty dirty label to throw around so easily. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> With eureka, evrything always end as the sovreignist are all nazi style racist .. judging his multiple comment on how french should have been exterminated in america with the conquest... He his the racist one. Why isnt canada part of the united states since they are so alike ? is it that canadian nationalism = racism ? or its just a choice based on rational fact that both have different opinion, different life style and culture ? Because if canada don't want to be part of the united states why do you think quebecker would want to be part of canada, specially with moron that want it as much centralized as possible ?

... Arent you tired of making racist comment ?

Thanks for the hot tip, Bakunin, but isn't it kind of rude not to translate into English what he said? For the monoglots, you know. Took me a long while, but here it is, to the best of my ability: Monday, June 06, 2005 What a return! Hello with you! I regret having neglected my blogist during my time of examinations. I succeeded however well. Next Thursday I will be in Boston to receive my diploma of control! I am particularly proud. These last weeks one be intense, examinations, work.... I return just of the Congress of the Québécois Party. Never I would have thought of living such emotions! My first thoughts go to my friend Bernard Landry like to all those and those which testified their support to him. I read each comment left on my blogist. Thank you for your generosity. While waiting for the continuation of things, if you want to contribute concretely to my réfelxion, buy your chart of member of the PQ! www.pq.org I return to you quickly... Andre <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He was a minister under the last pq government, he left in 2004 to go back to school in harvard so he made a blog while he left, he was talking about what he was doing. And stuff about environnment ( he was minister of environment and its one of his passion). in the message you translated (nice translation btw) you can see the "comments" of the vistior i think there are about 350 comments of people that want him to jump in the leadership race. Now that the big player François legault and Gille duceppe said they wont come, he his the favorite candidate. I heard that he could be announcing that he will jump in the leadership race thursday.

By whose reckoning? I don't see Americans dying at early ages, unless it's due to fat or bullets. Again, you need to leave out the urban underclass to get a true picture of American health care. If you do, their statistics are as good as ours. And most of their people, covered by health insurance, don't have to wait two years for a hip operation. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The first cause of bankrupt in usa is because of healthcare. Also there is the fact that its not your doctor who choose if you get opered its your insurance company. I think these are 2 good reason not to copy the usa system but to look more for an european style system where their is a public and a complementary private system, where you don't have to worry about your insurance company and where your doctor is the one who decide wheither you get opered or not.

if you have money then bet on andre boisclair to become the next pq leader http://boisclair.blogspot.com

He wasn't entirely wrong, when landry left, we were all thinking that duceppe would come and many wanted him to come but after thinking twice, alot of people thought it was better for him to stay at the bloc where he his doing a very good job. In other word, people prefer rebuild the pq from scratch with a young leader rather than patch it temporary. Many think its too much risky to leave the bloc with no strong leader if ever things turn out wrong for the pq, i guess thats what duceppe think, he his willing to sacrifice his personal ambition for the sovreignist movement.

Our system is focused on dealing with the sick and not preventing sickness. IMO we have a longer life expectancy because we are a developed G8 country with better than average, air, water, education and employment. These things add up to prevention. High cigarette taxes, sport programs and many other preventions may also help. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the canadian and american system are bad, evryone agree with that but why not look at the european style system ? Ppl against privatisation always point out the united states instead of the other g8 members. When we have the same system as the cuban and north korean one, we must ask ourself what is wrong with us ? why is evrybody freaking when we are talking about partial privatisation ? it is unrational fear. European country are alot more progressive and they don't have a soviet style system like us.

Many people underestimate how much important a culture is. Just look at the united states, without the movies and the music, there is no american way of live. No american way of live, no massive immigration, no massive exportation of culture, no international visibility, no money and a poor america. The united states didn't underestimate their culture and thats in part how they became such a powerfull country and builded up a massive economy. Do you guys know that ? in the french community, quebec musical culture is very very strong, at least as much as France wich is about 7 times more populate... Our movie industry is also becoming strong, we are one of the few country where people actually go see their local movies as strongly as they go see americans bloc busters, i don't know if you guys heard about "Les invasions barbares", the year it was releashed, it has been the most rewarded movie in France "les césares" ( the french oscars), it has also won 1 oscars for the best foreign language movie and was nominated for his scenario. Since that movie, we are pumping lots of great movies. What you prolly see in the futur is one global culture or a culture like the american one that would conquer the world. I don't think it will happend in our lifetime, i think its the opposite, we will start to consume more european and asian culture and less american culture. Why ? because we will get tired of it thats all, for sample you guys know what is a manga ? those japanese comic book, they are becoming more and more popular evry day. I don't think that focusing on having strong and personalized culture is cutting us from the rest of the world, no its not, its opening the world on our culture. Its selling our way of living to the rest of the world. It doesn't mean we can't open ourselve to the rest of the world, it mean that we are bringing something personalized and unique to this world.

Hmmm interesting, our healthcare minister wants an euro style healthcare system in quebec. Looks very promising, i just hope that once we get a good healthcare system in quebec, the rest of canada won't come over here to get better healthcare and slow down our system Link in french here is the translation of the part im refering with altavista tool and a quick grammar fix: QUOTE

Quebec healthcare minister wants a european style system

Yes thats exactly why many ppl wants him to stay at the bloc, because he his doing a very good job and they find it risky to let the bloc with no strong leader. They learned from their mistake, remember Lucien bouchard jumping from bloc to the pq? There is no doubt evry sovreignist like him and many federalist too but the PQ is like a wild horse, it is fast and effective but you must learn how to ride it and it can't be done without falling and working very hard. Not really, and by the way, the conference monday is in ottawa, so its a clue that he won't jump because if he would have quit the bloc to join the pq, he would prolly do the conference in quebec in front of all the local media. thats correct, he has never been a minister and its alot harder to be held responsible for a mistake when your the bloc leader

i agree, its better to let the job to decide whats best for society to a court with experts than to give it to a bunch of politician wich are mostly not expert in these questions, who for most of them are backbencher that vote with their party and have no objectivity at all.

No wonder we have to wait so long... We would give them the ocean and they would manage to run out of water....

For now the quebec government is asking the supreme court for a delay. I guess they will watch what the population think about it before doing anything. The last poll on the subject showed that 60% of quebecers where for a partial privatisation of healthcare.

Private healthcare is now oficially legal in quebec ! However its likly that the quebec government will have to freeze the supreme court decision at least until we have a real debate and a variety of law to regulate the privatisation the way we want it. I guess its a matter of time for alberta to join us and then the rest of canada.

Its perfect, official privatisation of healthcare in the most leftish province of canada will open the debate, we should look at the rest of the world, maybe we could have a system like in France.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Finally, i hope this will help in the destruction of our soviet style healthcare system.

And he ironlically took the idea from his ennemy, réne levesque who did it at the beginning of his first mandate as quebec prime minister in the 70's. Chretien also ironically waited at the very end of his last mandate...

You know what i think ? evry futurs candidates except pauline marois are waiting to see if duceppe come to the pq while duceppe is waiting for the other candidates to show up to see if he should go. I think he won't come to the pq if he see someone interesting become candidate. I also think that for many including duceppe, their main goal is to make sure pauline marois doesnt get at the head of the pq. Boisclair is surely one of the interesting candidate for the pq, maybe he could become the first officially gay prime minister. But maybe he's not enough experienced, remember bourassa ? I think we need someone strong intellectually, someone from the right wing and with a good charisma.

wow 2% thats a big lead lol.

Lie #1 The fundamental right of every community is to send their children to whatever school they wish: to have their children educated in whatever language they choose.The world has agreed on that. Evryone can send their children to whatever school they choose but that school must exist. In quebec their are far more infrastructure for the english comunity than anywhere else in canada.... As for the language they choose, its is limited evrywhere in europe and california where they face the same problem as us. As for the rest of the usa and canada, well why limit a choice when they already don't have the choice because their are not enough infrastructure... 2 schools for 7000 students isnt there a problem ? Lie #2 Other provinces have not used "aggressive" legislation to enforce the use of English. The only laws I can think of, offhand, were the Manitoba and Ontario Schools Acts. Neither prevented Francophones from acquiring a French education and both were corrected. There is no other anti-French legislation. What about agressive law againt north amerindian ? as for the act you said they where one of many tools to keep the french from being use anywhere else than quebec. Lie #3 There was no attempt to assimilate French Canadians when the West was colonized: none at all. There was only a minute French presence in the West, and like all small minorities everywhere in the world, the onus was on them to provide for their continuation. wrong again.... http://www.hrma-agrh.gc.ca/ollo/even/Franco2005/lg_e.asp ----------------- im just halfway to your first message... there is no way im gonna finish the work for what its worth... looks like your born as a racist anti-french and you can't get out of it...

Wow, ive never seen a reply with so many lies and incoherance... it desnt even worth replying so instead ill copy and past this text... --------------------- Is the British Minority of Quebec Mistreated? Are French -Speaking Quebecers so intransigent and intolerant that they persecute the British of Quebec (English, Scottish and Irish)? Supporters of the Equality Party and of Alliance Quebec affirm, to whoever will listen to them, that we oppress them, that we limit their freedoms. Are we truly despotic? Oppressors? At another time we will demonstrate that our openmindnessess has been so generous that the anglophone minority of Quebec is one of the best treated minorities in the world. Quebecers of British origins (English, Scottish and Irish) are about 7% of the population of Quebec. What place do they occupy in the public institutions? Is their language banished from the National Assembly? Do the courts ban the use of English? Have French Quebecers refused to finance the schools, the colleges and the English speaking universities? Have they limited the freedom of expression of their anglophone compatriots? Have they been submitted to economic slavery and servitude? These are the questions that I seek to answer here. The Parliament In the domain of political institutions, Anglophones possess privileges that Acadians and Francophones from outside of Quebec would wish to have? (Sic) In the National Assembly, the English language is used to print, publish, adopt and sanction proposed bills, laws, regulations and acts of a similar nature. English is used in the debates of the Assembly and in the Commissions and committees of the Parliament. 22% of the members of the National Assembly are anglophones. Their language is used in a large number of municipalities and school boards. 79 health and social establishments of Quebec are require to furnish their services in English. Nearly half of the delegations and offices of Quebec established abroad are in English-speaking countries. No anglophone province of this bilingual Canada respects its French minority to this degree. The Judicial system In the judicial field, the English language may be used in all matters brought before or issued by the Courts as well as in all matters of procedure that emanate from the Courts. At the request of one of the parties, any judgement rendered by a judicial tribunal and any decision rendered by a quasi-judicial body will be translated into English and the Public Administration will assume all necessary costs. No anglophone province of this bilingual Canada respects its French minority to this degree. Education In the field of education, the anglophone minority of Quebec has access to English language courses from primary school to university. Its schools may be attended by children whose father or mother have received their primary education English in Canada; other categories of children, as defined in bill 86, also have access to these schools. The teaching is governed by anglophone institutions. This is done in 306 elementary schools as well as 66 schools designed as bilingual. Anglophones also have 7 English cegeps as well as 2 bilingual cegeps. There schools and cegeps are all financed by the Government of Quebec. No anglophone province of this bilingual Canada respects its French minority to this degree. In the field of universities, three anglophone institutions are generously financed by the Government of Quebec (McGill, Concordia and Bishop). In these three institutions is found 29% of the student population of the province; one fifth of these are francophones. These institutions grant 48% of all of the Arts' doctorates of the province. Anglophones also control several centres of excellence renowned throughout the world: Saidye Bronfman, Centaur, McCord Museum; these have the support of the francophone majority. No anglophone province of this bilingual Canada respects its French minority to this degree. Communications In the field of communications, 30 regular channels in English are offered on the cable, three television stations as well as three channels accessible through pay-tv. Anglophones have 11 radio stations with a market share of 36%, three daily newspapers with a 30% share of readership and 18 weeklies. Furthermore nearly 50% of Quebecers go to English movies and more than 30% of video-cassettes rented are in English. No anglophone province of this bilingual Canada respects its French minority to this degree. Economic Affairs In business, 31% of all enterprises were owned by anglophones in 1987. 26.3% of managers were of English mother tongue and the communications between management and subordinate are in the language of the manager [Paul BELAND, Indicateurs de la situation linguistique au Quebec, Conseil de la langue française, 1992, p.51]. 45% of anglophones in Quebec work primarily in the English language [at least 50% of their time or more]. 195 head office of companies, and 55 research centres, function essentially in English In 1989, 41.3% of Montrealers used computer programmes in English and 21.1% worked with French and English programmes; The computer user manuals are in English for 41.5% of French speaking users in Montreal; in the rest of the province, the proportion is 25%. Circulars distributed throughout the province are bilingual. Henceforth [bill 86], English will also be used on signs and in the names of companies. No anglophone province of this bilingual Canada respects its French minority to this degree. The life of francophones in the anglophone provinces In practice, the English provinces are far less generous toward the french and acadian minorities than the Francophones of Quebec are toward their compatriots of British origin. In their parliaments and courts, the use of French is very rare and in some of the provinces it is nearly forbidden. On the contrary, the other provinces take a parsimonious and stingy attitude. Yet, in signing the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms in 1982, they undertook to guarantee to the French communities the control of their schools. Ever since, a war of attrition has been waged. The governments of the anglophone provinces delay, equivocate, hesitate, procrastinate and play cat and mouse games. The Commissioner of Official Languages, Victor Goldbloom "found that no progress had been achieved in the last year to grant control over its schools to the francophone minorities and this despite the decision of the Supreme Court confirming the rights of francophone parents. He even notes that the province of Manitoba is retreating [La Presse, May 27, 1993]. In British Columbia, in 1993, the Government of Mike Harcourt expressed the intent to authorise in the future the establishment of one French language school board. In Alberta, in 1992, the government folded the parliamentary session without having voted its legislation to grant control of the schools to francophones. Yet, in 1925, the teaching of French as a mother tongue had been "authorised by a regulation of the Department of Public Instruction and regulated by a specific and detailed programme similar to the one governing the teaching in the English Language". 68 years later, Franco-Albertans must still live on hope. In 1993, the Romanow government of Saskatchewan adopted bill 39 to put the administration of their schools in the hands of francophones. The regulations have not been published, the government policies have not been elaborated and the financing has not been settled between Regina and Ottawa. In Manitoba, the Filmon government has proposed to grant the administration of their schools to the Franco-Manitobans who will signify their intent to belong to the new francophone school district. In 1993, Franco-Ontarians continue to be subjected to the elastic clause of "where numbers warrants it". In Prince Edward Island, the government has not moved yet and the 7,000 francophone acadians have only two French schools in the entire island. In 1986, the Government of Nova School [sic read Nova Scotia] voted a law for the creation of French school councils; however, they are still wondering, in 1993, if they should establish such councils. In Newfoundland, the Wells government has established a school law that conforms to the requirement of the Charter, but a ministerial committee has been studying for year the applicability of such a measure. Conclusion In Quebec, French has rights. French speaking Quebecers are equitable, and honest but they intend to protect their culture, their language and their collective future.

The timing of Laundry's resignation could not be worse for Duceppe - tough decision for him. Now will see a bit more what he is made of. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Im pretty much sure he will wait to see what are the candidate first to see if it worth it.

... This is exactly the kind of federal manners that frustrate quebeckers. If the federal government want to start a constitutionnal war, thats excatly how they need to proceed.