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As i see it, the bill 101 was 1 way out of many to organise our school system. We all knew that we had to stop the assimilation going on in quebec, the bill 101 permited us to do so and it kept the fundamental right to the english community to keep their english school. If it wasn't of that bill, there is no doubt montreal would be in majority english then it mean we would need to use english to work in montreal and the vicious circle would have destroyed the hearth of our culture. Montreal being the main center of quebec, assimilation was inevitable. from the conquest in 1760 to 1960, we didn't have a strong immigration, we didn't have that problem. Its pretty hypocrit from english speakers to talk about this bill like if it was racist or too much radical. English province doesn't have that problem and when they had that problem, they did use alot more agressive bill to deal with it. When we colonize the west, the french and amerindian where assimilated by force in english, if it wasnt of that canada would be a different country right now. Just think of the deportation of acadia, if it wasn't of it, we would have another french province. Just think about it, what would your provincial government would have done if only 25% of the immigrant would choose to learn english ? just imagine the ghettoïsation of those immigrant specially if the vast majority nearly all go in the same city. Worst what would you do if your population would have to learn french to have a job and go shopping and the newer generation would start to be tempted to give up on english and start to learn french instead because they have no futur ?? Once you think about it, then your welcome to tell us what we should have done.

I don't think private health care is the same issue in Quebec as in other provinces. Privatisation in Quebec often means hiring non-union workers, or removing job security. If it were possible to overcome these issues, I don't think people would oppose private health care. I think the PQ would have an easier time to make this change than the Liberals.Lysiane Gagnon writes frequently about health issues, comparing favourably France's two-tier system to Quebec's. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Personally what i always tought is that we should let the the doctor do is weekly quota on a public list then once its over he could continue to practice medecine on a private list. To get on the private list, the patients would have to pay X% amount of the operation and salary cost. That way the reform would be based on increasing the production instead of just transfering costly public healthcare to unproductive private healthcare. As for quebec playing a role on fixing healthcare, im sure it will happend. Health care cost inflation is too strong... Its eating all the growth of our economy. Alberta already started but if quebec decide not to listen to ottawa on this case (it wouldn't be the first time), it would be a good start. I don't think we would be shy to do so. I think the best politician we have are the right winger that are fighting in a left party like he did. Why ? because they don't denigrate the left on evrything, they are able to see when a social program is efficient and when it isn't. A true right winger would say evry social program is bad. I think he prolly left because of internal presure, the pq started being too hard to govern. He couldn't handle the presure of the left wing and the die hard sovreignist like yves michaud. the english media were attacking him very hard too. As for his personnal life, well it prolly played a role.

Gordon Campbell in BC did the exact same thing. The unions declared war on him but he was still re-elected because voters understood the unions were just protecting their own self-interest and not the interest of the public. I thought he was to confrontational but from the way you describe it sounds like Campbell was a diplomat compared to Charest. Are you certain that Quebequers will accept cuts to the social safety net if they have the righht leadership? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think they would be happy but if handled carefully it wouldn't end up in a civil war like jean charest is doing. A sample, rené levesque did cut the salary of 25% of the bureaucrats and it ended up not bad at all for such a drastic action. Lucien bouchard is an experienced negociator with the unions, his job right now is to deal with those conflict and find a solution. When he was prime minister he brought evry important player in quebec to the negociation table including the unions and he managed to cut states spending enough to bring quebec to the "deficit zeros" wich mean in theory we have balanced budget with no deficit since that. Many people blamed him for the fall of the healthcare system. he did major cut in healthcare thats why. Not long ago he was saying he was for a partial privatisation of healthcare.

yeah its not that clear, in french that could be: "Qui selon vous est responsable des activités découverte par la comission gomery" or it could also be translate this way: "Qui devrait prendre la responsabilité pour les activités découverte par la commission gomery" <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I thought of "assumer la responsabilité" which carries with it a sense of guilt. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> its another way to see it. :/ french is too complex thats the beauty of it

My understanding is Charest tried to be a right winger but clobbered by political outrage from the students and unions. Would a PQ right wing leader be able to do any better? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry i meant a skilled right winger , Jean Charest is making too many newbies mistake like declaring war to evry unions group and passing anti-union laws and making fun of them publicly. Now the unions are using evrything they can to destroy this government. And many solution that he takes are weird and even his own ministers doesn't like his idea. A sample, before the election he say education is the #2 priority then in power he cut 110 millions given to the poorest students instead of targeting the richer or at least the one that can spare a bit more money. Worst he make an apparition to the tv with a scorning pace, talking to the students like if they where baby. Almost evrything he touch turn bad :/ ----------------------- The pq is a very complex party, there are right winger, left winger and centrist. The right wing pq has always been alot better accepted by the unions because of that. But the party seems very hard to handle when your a prime minster because of that. The PQ and their congres are know for ending like mess just like this congress right now. There are also the die hard sovreignist vs the soft sovreignist. The left vs the center vs the right and etc...

Have you noticed that political 'savoirs' always seem to go down in flames now a days. Charest, Martin ..... I suspect Bouchard knows this and will stay away while his reputation is still untarnished (at least in French Quebec). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> well i wouldn't be ready to say it always go down, paul martin has a better reputation than chretiens i think. But one thing is sure, once Bouchard left in quebec, evrything started to turn bad , either its because its the aftermath of his governance or the other politician did worst or a bit of both. I guess its a bit of both. But anyway, quebec need a right winger, we need to take down this costly healthcare system and repay our debt a bit.

yeah its not that clear, in french that could be: "Qui selon vous est responsable des activités découverte par la comission gomery" or it could also be translate this way: "Qui devrait prendre la responsabilité pour les activités découverte par la commission gomery"

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories Lol, nobody saw this comming, sure his leadership was contested but evryone tought landry would won with 80% his confidence vote. Hmm, well now this will clearly be a crutial part for quebec political futur. i cross my finger for Lucien bouchard to come back but i doubt it will happend, else i hope Gille duceppe will come wich is what evryone expect, he would be a good prime minister. Else, i guess i would vote for the adq , it depend but there are not many people that fit for the job i guess.

No, it is a compromise, just like meech is. In other word, while federalism and sovreignty aren't compromise, confederalism or an autonomous quebec inside canada is a compromise. The allaire report wich clarify the provincial and federal juridiction is a beginning toward a confederation or an autonomous state. From what ive heard there is nothing about canadian citizenship. What is proposed as an initial partnership is free circulation of goods, people and using the same money. As for the share of the debt and infrastructure what is propose is to use the vienna accord proposition, there is also a few other popular method that have already been discussed.

Any form of compromise would not be welcome by both radical side, not only the hard line sovreignist. Don't forget that. your prolly true but for me that report would be the minimum requirement i could accept. if its not going to be considered then i guess it doesnt worth to compromise. just like the meech accord, i guess alot of people would accept it right now, that could be a solution but the charlotown accord was a big joke and it didnt even pass. If ever the liberal get kicked out soon and phillipe couillard remplace charest in power we never know what could happend. But right now one thing is sure, the pq is about 20% in advance from the liberal in the polls and they clearly said that there will be a referendum in the first part of the mandat as soon as possible. and right now they would win at 52-54%.

I have seen couples promise to be reasonable work things out when they first decide to split only to have it turn nasty because each person is absolutely convinced that their demands are reasonable and it is the other one who is the problem. That is what will happen if Quebec tries to sepearate because separatists, by definition, are people who are unwilling to compromise. If they were people capable of compromise then they would be willing to work things out within the context of the federal system. Federalists, reacting to what they see as rediculous demands from the separatists, will respond by being equally uncompromising. A disaster for all concerned. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good question, on both side there are people that are unwilling to compromise. Both of em have been fighting for a long time. On the other hand there are many people that are willing to compromise. René Levesque did with the 1982 constitution but it kinda turned really bad for quebec, Pierre trudeau didnt want to compromise. then pierre marc johnson (2nd pq leader) did with some kind of "affirmative" proposition, and then Robert bourassa did with Brian murloney wich didnt work out "Meech" and then "charlotown". Because that didnt work, the bloc quebecois was created. Then the liberal came back to power with chretien that didnt want to compromise. The pq came back to power with parizeau that didnt want to compromise. and the 2nd referendum was lost. After that we are still waiting and nothing is changing. Why because the liberal doesnt want to compromise. Jean charest wich is not a sovreignist is requesting an "asymetrical federalism" wich is pretty much near the status quo but a bit more respect to the provincial juridiction. What happend ? english media get angry at him and the federal liberal refuse. There is no more hope... personally im a confederalist. I can't accept the status quo, if i was prime minister of quebec, i would say to the federal government to open the constitution and adopt the "allaire report" wich would make quebec alot more self-managed wich was what nationalist federalist wanted (a compromise to stay in canada and have our autonomy). The report say if the federal refuse to do it then we do another referendum on sovreignty wich combined to the federal refusal would be pretty much sure to be won. So in conclusion, what is happening is that compromise between the 2 part have been tryed specially in the 1990's. A good part of the population has lost faith in compromise because to have a compromise we need a federal government that want to compromise in ottawa and a provincial government in quebec that want to do compromise. This is in good part why i hate so much the liberal, because they are blocking the path torward a compromise. Having harper at ottawa would help, even if he his an old reformer member,he seems more open to compromise than the liberal, specially right now that their is a provincial government that would be ready to make compromise.

First, deal with them as nation to nation. Second, respect their autonomy. Third, a bit of talking and some love. They can and must organize themselve, if they need help or a friend to talk to, they will tell us. I could say the same thing as the canada-quebec problem.

What did i miss ? by the way, Paul Coffin pleads guilty to fraud charges.

Eureka, these kinds of comments feed right into separatist propaganda. That said, I find it very frustrating that the political culture of Quebec seems to severely underestimate the complexity of negotiating a deal after a yes vote. I don't understand why separatists believe Quebequers could make a the completely irrational and emotional decision to break up the country and then turn around and be able have rational business like discussions about a union with Canada afterwards. Separatists will most likely find themselves faced with an angry and emotional Canadian electorate - not exactly an environment condusive to smooth negotiatons. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> business is business my friend. The cow won't stop to make millk after a separation. I doubt canada would want to stop free trade with quebec, specially ontario that export more stuff in quebec than import.I doubt canada would close its border to quebec and isolate the atlantics. Europe is a good sample of partnership, almost all sovreign european country decided to build a partnership with each others. Common money, bank, free trade soon an army and constitution and etc.. It doesn't mean they agree on evrything like we saw last week, but at least their is a partnership. The only country in the world that doesn't have some kind of partnership with other country is north korea... It doesnt has to be a painfull separation. It can be productive for both it just have to be handled the right way. Its similar to a couple that break up but stay friend or at least civilized. (ps: i know august you don't like it when we compare it to a couple but its an overall picture ;P ).

Lol that would be fun a 3rd world war with broken submarine, crashing helicopters, ww2 trucs and jeeps that would make a good movie, a comedy perhaps.

brault, renaud, corbeil, beliveau, desaine are the one who talked. And combined it seems to be a good start to understand the truth, toghether they didnt contradict themselve pretty much. On the other hand, ppl that keep saying they don't remember anything, well how can they defend themself if they don't remember ?

Hmm, there is surely one of both tendency that didn't get it right im just wondering who ! ill let the judge gomery tell us

Well, i think people like his style, sometime funny, sometime angry or more comprehensive . It depend of the cooperation of the people. With numerous scandal, jean chretiens and his administration where already not very well seen and popular. People are happy to see that finally we can know the truth and the comission wasn't just an amnesic party with a bought judge. It's a little bit funny because there are 2 types of people at the comission. The one that refuse to talk and don't remember anything and the one that decide to talk and participate. In general the people that talked like jean brault where applaud even if they did wrong stuff, at least they talked and admitted it i guess thats what ppl think.

True.I don't think Couillard would have the ability to put together a union deal. But God knows. Maybe he could. Who would negotiate best with ROC? Couillard, Landry or Charest? Dunno. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He is the kind of guy who negociate evrything in private. But the union deal, you mean association or partnership or whatever the negociation is called after canada split up ? I think the best guy we could have to negociate is yves séguin

http://www.sesresearch.com/news/press_rele...%202%202005.pdf Who should take responsibility for activities uncovered by the gomery commission ? Quebec: 28,8% Chretiens 4% Paul Martin 51,2% Both Ontario: 15% Chretiens 38% Paul Martin 38,3% Both West: 10,3% Chretiens 37,1% Paul Martin 42,6% Both Atlantic: 10% Chretiens 38% Paul Martin 40% Both

He is prolly not the bourrassa style but he is clearly not the kind of guy that would make speechs about federalism like chretiens a charest. My impression is that he would just try to ignore the question. But on the other hand, i think the liberal federal would not be happy to see him prime minister because they wouldnt have control on him like they have on charest.

Thats what i say, Couillard can't be a federalist leader... he never defended federalism... As for his ideology, it seems like its the opposite of Jean Charest... He looks like a right wing pequiste. There was an article of JF lisée that was making sense, some high placed liberal want to get jean charest out of the party after the collective convention. They want to put Couillard at the head of the party and quickly make election before the pq get organized. But since things are getting worst and worst, i guess they don't even have a chance to win the election anyway.

yeah, cleaning their mess by stopping sending money to the province instead to stop spending money on crappy program like sponsorship and gun control...

I think trudeau,murloney and chretiens should be ashame to have given us one of the biggest debt in the world...

It has been 18 months since quebeckers turned their back at this government... 18months that the insatisfaction of the government is between 70%-80%. Translation: 77% of the population (81% of the french) say thei are not satified or very not satisfied with the government. the vp say he never saw something similar. Translation: 20% (17% french) say thei are satified or really satified Support for sovreignty is at 52% --------------------------------------------- There are rumors that say the liberal party will wait that the next collective convention get signed this summer then they(influent liberals) would do some kind of political putsch to get charest out of the party and put Phillipe Couillard at the head of the party instead. Phillipe Couillard is the healthcare minister, he is the most popular liberal out there, a good man and he publicly fighted against jean charest on many government project. The rumor say we could go in election as soon as in 2006, soon after Phillipe Couillard become prime minister. I think they really are in trouble, first there are no more credible Federalist defender in quebec, they are all dead(trudeau,ryan,bourassa), blamed by gomery(chretien and cie) or like charest just incompetent. Phillipe Couillard is problably the only liberal politician that can rebuild the party but he his not a die hard federalist, honestly i think he's not even a federalist :/ or he his not convinced and convincing at all. I also think he his not a natural leader, but we love him for his honesty. Like evryone prolly know, i hate liberals but i must admit i like some of the PLQ members, Phillipe couillard is one of them. I think its very sad that the PLQ are doing a very bad job right now :/ , what is even worst is i think the pq would'nt and won't do a better job, maybe even worst. As for the ADQ, they just don't have what it takes to form a government. For national unity, it seems nobody care about canada anymore. The soverignist are stronger than ever, the federalist dropped the towell, now their main argument is "at least wait till our debt get lower". Nobody want to modernize canada, at least in the 1990's both sides where trying to cooperate to make things better, now ppl just doesn't believe in a new canada, nobody want to participate and keep this country alive. Even a few english journalist that fighted hard for the federalist side in 1995 are dropping the towell and changing side. They are now also realizing that the meech accord wasn't bad after all. I think many ppl right now are realizing that the meech accord was not that bad at all to save a country. I think its gonna get worst and worst, specially the fact that the liberal federal stay in power, unpopular like thei are right now in quebec just can't help. It is very sad because since all hope are gone, hope for national unity just like the hope of a better government in quebec, anything could happend.. and i just feel like evrything is going to get worst and worst years after years... :/ bad decision are gonna be taken in the futur i feel it. Perhaps our only hope reside in a nhl 2005-2006 season, if it can't keep us away from politics and distract us...