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I don't believe this is accurate. I believe there is a prorating function, NOT double payments. EG, I know someone who was married to a woman with 3 kids for 1.5 years. The Mom was already collecting support from biological Dad, but now most recent Ex also pays a nominal amount monthly, but nothing like 'double'. I think you need to provide evidence for your claim. Children are entitled to be supported by all who fill the role of 'parent'.

The United Nations has accused Israel of evacuating scores of Palestinians into a house in the suburbs of Gaza City, only to shell the property 24 hours later, killing some 30 people. In a report published today on what it called "one of the gravest incidents" of the 14-day conflict, the UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) complained that the Israeli Defence Force then prevented medical teams from entering the area to evacuate the wounded, including young children. The Israeli military said it was investigating the claim but had no knowledge of the incident. "Come in here children ... to a safe place." KABOOM! "Teehee ... suckers!" Israel has lost its mind, its heart, its humanity. May they burn in hell. :angry:

"Rights to the child" in what sense? Seems to me he hasn't shown any interest, and won't likely be coming around, since he's way behind in his support! Having said that, the child has a right to his/her father and cannot be prevented from seeking him out, after a certain age.

Then the dirty Israeli bombs going into Gaza don't meet the definition of "defence" either.

Right ... it's not about the money. It's about ... THE MONEY! Seriously ... ya he's taken a hard hit .... a real body blow. Now he's passing his pain on to the kids, and taking their father away from them at the same time. How mature! He is the loser in the long run.

Why should the kids suffer financially? That's support money for them, not their mother. The courts have other ways of dealing with that particular problem, but it is not perfect, I agree. Making the kids suffer for the parents' behaviour is not one of the court's methods. People have to move for all kinds of reasons - to get or keep a job, look after aging parents, etc. It isn't realistic to think the court is going to limit people's freedom that way. They're just divorced ... they're not criminals. Sheesh! You want them to wear electronic bracelets too? lol There are lots of people in this situation. Nobody's business but their own. We are not talking about "some random male". We are talking about men who have, for a period of time, been fathers to children. Biology really has little to nothing to do with the act of being a father. The man in question here raised the kids as his own. Now he has hurt them terribly. He's a loser, whether he has to pay or not. There are more important things in life than money ... right? Surely you agree?

This 'Dad' doesn't appear to want his kids anymore.

Tough shit. You're a Dad, dude! You complain and write 'new' laws ... but you don't even know what the laws are? 1) Access and support are linked: You pay proportionate support for when you don't have the kids, up to 40% and then it's considered equal so no money changes hands. As for moving ... none of our business how other people choose to live their lives. (If she was still married, she'd be restricted to the marital home. Not too realistic. lol) Locations don't prevent fathers from seeing the kids. The travel costs are shared. 2) Again ... proportionate, I believe. And it is according to the kids needs. You are concerned about things already addressed by the courts. I don't agree with you that the rights of fathers should override the needs of the kids. Kids need two parents (at least), imo. They don't have to live in the same house, but they have a responsibility to be civil and not to use the children as weapons against the spouse. That's what this fair-weather Dad of the thread topic is doing. Shame on him for hurting the kids to get at his wife. Despicable.

I beg to differ. Unfortunately, he's "taking the moral ground" and sticking it where the sun don't shine, while his mouth spews pure Bushaganda. I'm thoroughly disgusted.

The true Christ-ian faith only existed until about 323 AD, before it was subsumed by wealthy and powerful business and government interests, to become their vanguard of oppression of non-Xians everywhere, a haven for pedophiles and sadists, thieves and launderers of land and resources, destroyers of Indigenous cultures and people, and murders of non-Xian children. True Christians know that the moneychangers will again be thrown out.

PROOF? Not at all. Wasn't a problem. What was a problem at times was prejudice ... "No Canadian experience" ... and an accent on the phone.

Only if that's all you know how to do, and fortunately most of us have evolved. We know war crimes when we see them on our tv. Some human beings now also know how to talk, make nice, make peace. Not your strength clearly, but not your job either ... fortunately.

The law has changed, because the children were suffering from absent fathers and poverty. As was pointed out, it's not about the parents at all. It's about the interests of the children. It is reasonable that parents rights lose out to children's needs. That's parenting! Child support isn't an all-or-nothing allocation. Where multiple men have fathered the children, the court prorates, etc. I wonder if this guy will regret hurting his children this way?

Bullshit. There would be no rockets if Israel was not imprisoning Palestinians in Gaza, starving them to death. A cease fire MUST include an end to Israel's blockade of Gaza. Interestingly, the ONLY Canadian politician to take this principled stand is an Alberta Tory, supported by the Western Standard. A voice of reason on Gaza http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2...on-on-gaza.html The rest of our politicians, left and right, are silenced by their complicity with the war-for-oil corporate goons. I'll bet Storseth is 'silenced' by Harpoo now too, but at least he did speak up!

At least they paid taxes on the money first! How much money is siphoned out of Canada by corporate profiteers sending money offshore to avoid paying Canadian taxes? As has been discussed on this board before, you are absolutely wrong about the immigrant/refugee argument, as a cursory google search would show you. (Bigots don't need information ... They have opinions!!) http://www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca/pubs/immig/imm083sf.pdf Immigration 2008, Canada Economic (ie, with money, skills): 74,411 Family reunification: 31,476 Refugees/compassionate:16,500 74,000 economic class v 48,000 others. I note ... To avoid having to leave the country to apply via the points system, my son in law got landed status via compassionate grounds. He was already employed here, supporting his family. Thus, some in that class are also actually 'economic' class. Your arguments are not based in fact but in an ideology of discrimination against immigrants (of colour?). Refugees do tend to live in public housing, so your observation of that is correct. Economic class immigrants do not, so you have failed to acknowledge that your perceptions are biased by your limited observation, and your conclusions are dishonest.

Tuesday, January 06, 2009 A voice of reason on Gaza The siege in Gaza is likely the most polarizing issue in the news these days. Polarizing or not, though, it's hard to see why either side would change tact if things continue on as they are. Obama summed up best the motives of the Israelis when he said that he would take any action necessary to protect his daughters from rockets being dropped on their house, but with substantial (though nowhere near unanimous) support for their actions, it's hard to see what would motivate Hamas to act differently than it has, either. This is why I'm happy to see Brian Storseth, a Conservative MP for Westlock-St. Paul, standing out from the crowd by calling for not only an end to the launching of rockets by Hamas, but also an end to the blockade of Gaza by Israel. ... http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2...on-on-gaza.html ***** Holy crap! I'll bet Harper is having a 'royal' hissy fit about Storseth straying off message! If Harper is a normal politician, he'll see the tide of public opinion swaying away from supporting Israel, and catch the wave. Hmm ... This will tell the tale ... Is Harper a true ideologue, or just another namby-pamby, flippy-floppy Canadian politician flailing for the winds of public opinion?

"Our message to the Zionist community is this - your leaders are spilling your blood to win an election," he said, referring to snap legislative polls called for February 10. Various analysts have said that the Israeli bombardment is geared to drum up support for politicians in the coming polls. http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?ed...rticle_id=98768 Well isn't that just ... sicko. How many dead Palestinian children does it take to elect an Israeli politician? How low can friggen politicians go? ISRAEL'S SELF-DEFEATING GAZA OFFENSIVE By Gideon Rachman Financial Times (London) January 5, 2009 -- 19:04 GMT [11:04 PST] (CHECK OUT THE CARTOON!) http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/34c5a426-db49-11...0077b07658.html By sending ground troops into the Gaza Strip, Israel has crossed a line that brings it perilously close to strategic failure. Just as with the Lebanon war of 2006, an air bombardment has failed to stop rocket fire into Israel -- and has been followed by a ground invasion. The Israeli government says it has learned the lessons of its stalemated war with Hezbollah, the Lebanese militia. Gaza is more hospitable terrain than southern Lebanon; Hamas is militarily weaker than Hezbollah; Israel is better prepared and is using new tactics. Maybe so. But what are Israel’s strategic needs? The first is the protection of Israeli citizens; the second is the re-establishment of Israel’s deterrent power; the third is the preservation of international support; and the fourth some prospect of durable peace. Each one of these objectives is now in peril. By sending the army into Gaza, Israel has probably ensured it will lose many more lives than the four killed by Hamas rockets in the year before the conflict started. It is, of course, the job of the military to take casualties to protect civilians. But Israel’s is a citizen army. The point has not been lost on the Israeli public. A poll taken early in the conflict found more than 70 per cent support for bombing Gaza -- but just 20 per cent support for a ground invasion. full text here ... http://www.ufppc.org/content/view/8256/35/ Nobody wants this but Bush and Israeli politicians ... oh yes ... and the war-and-oil 'industry', currently laughing up their sleeves at their puppet Israelis!

Racism 101: It isn't racism to point out where crime exists. It is racism to imply that the whole community of 24,000 people is involved in the crime. Many nonnative communities, likely yours included, have auto theft rings. Does that mean your local government and all of the citizens, like you, are criminals? NO. Get the point? And this has nothing to do with the topic, of course, since Six Nations' 'reputation' is irrelevant to the inquiry into OPP responses during blockades, etc., and has absolutely nothing to do with car thefts. Fantino's alleged failure to protect the people of Caledonia, and a petition for an inquiry is the topic of the discussion. Are you in favour?

QUOTE(Ontario Loyalist @ Jan 2 2009, 09:21 PM) * Why do you think that they are less entitled to land than Israel is. Israel was, after all, created in 1948... That's an interesting perspective. Britain created Israel ... and Canada too ... in both cases without sufficient regard for the existing populations in those areas. Populations displaced by holocausts - Scots from the clearances, Irish from the famine, Jews from the Nazis - sent to populate other lands to become conduits for the resource wealth. Could there possibly be a connection here to mideast OIL resources? The complexity just never ends ... but it always comes full circle. I have no difficulty casting a judgment in the present circumstances, though. Non Jews in Israel are discriminated against. Palestinians in Gaza do not want to live in a Jewish state and be discriminated against. They want their own state. And Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza. The fact is ... the elected Hamas government of Gaza does not control the dissident rocket-launchers, some or all of whom are likely 'agentes provocateurs' (Israeli? American? British?). And the fact is Israel uses feeble rockets as excuses for all out war against Palestinian civilians. It's indefensible aggression by Israel, imo. http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/t...de-of-the-story Canada can take a stand. I think it has some effect. I also think it's time we should be sending assistance to protect the people of Gaza.

This is what you agreed to. babble is NOT intended as a place where the basic and essential values of human rights, feminism, anti-racism, and labour rights are to be debated or refought. Members that join babble who indicate intentions to challenge these rights and principles may be seen as disruptive to the nature of the forum. Did you and kengs abide by the forum rules that you agreed to? I think the answer is evident.

er ... the electorate is at fault? Oh puleeeeez! The electorate is never wrong. Either Harper's 'cultureless' gaff was that important (and I believe it was), or he never had the numbers he claimed in Quebec. And then his wife had to quickly cancel her attendance as the main attraction at an art gala fundraiser! It was a dumb thing to say, and it alienated lots of people. He revealed that he has no idea what 'culture' is, and he has no class. Not good qualities in one who is also supposed to be an international statesman.

"These unions are not good for people..." Oh how quaint! But rather an antiquated view of unions. Most professions today are unionized - for example, university professors. Canadians long ago realized that collective bargaining is the way to go. The history of the USSR is not remotely like the present Canadian reality, and I assure you the unions are very interested in the skills of the workers.

Income gap: http://www.esnips.com/doc/629185b2-3bf1-40...ribution-Canada I think the real 'gap' is between the wealthiest and the rest of us. The money is increasingly flowing to the few wealthiest people out of our pockets.