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mobs?

Yah yah ... sure sure ... you must be right. It's all about you.

umm ... yes. still boring. no creativity, no vision, no ideas, just pissing around having cat fights. ssdd

Got a few hours? There's a few different opinions on that. However, I signed the petition (see thread op) because I think all of it should be aired in a public inquiry. Yah ... all of that ... Not to say 'nothing' is happening. The federal government is in negotiations ... Ok ... nothing.

Acknowledged above. Link to the 'terrorists' who wanted to decapitate Harper? Are they still available? j/k Just carrying on the feudal theme from above.

true. So ... we're on the buses, eh?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com//servlet/st...Story/National/ Busloads of Obama fans not welcome, Ottawa says The Canadian Press February 4, 2009 Ottawa -- Canuck fans of Barack Obama appear to be out of luck. A group of Obama-maniacs from the Toronto area wants to bring four busloads of fans to a welcome rally in Ottawa when the U.S. President visits Feb. 19. But the government isn't allowing any group gatherings on Parliament Hill that day because of security concerns. Mr. Obama's schedule is pretty much all work and no play, including meetings with Prime Minister Stephen Harper and opposition leaders. Ummm ... exCUSE me!!??!! We can't exercise our right of freedom to assemble and speak? SAYS WHO? Well ... NOW we might be ticked off! Security rules over democracy? Yes, I know Obama truly needs protection. I just wish it didn't make "Ottawa" so happy. I just wish we could all go to greet Obama, as a breath of fresh air in North American and world politics, as many people were/are planning to. And send a message to "Ottawa". Busloads of Obama fans not welcome, Ottawa says Oh yeah?!? Well ... "Ottawa" sucks! I say. funny innit? Our politicians are so scared of facing Canadians they're pulling up the drawbridge on the moat to keep us out. What does that tell us?? They should all be scared to face us. Blithering idiots all of them! -- Unworthy even for schoolkids to go and observe the 'hallowed halls' of our legislatures, because the kids are appalled by the behaviour they see: bullying and attack. It's all banned from schools. They know it when they see it because they report it at school, and they are appalled that that's how our 'governments' act. -end non-partisan rant-

Hmm ... not over yet! http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/ArticleDi....aspx?e=1418549 Six Nations pair want CKRZ back on air Posted By SUSAN GAMBLE, EXPOSITOR STAFF Posted 12 hours ago With the Six Nations radio station off the air, controversy is swirling around a bid to take over the community broadcaster. CKRZ 100.3 FM was shut down Sunday evening by its board of directors after the station's debt began rising past $100,000. After news of the impending closure came out last week, a community couple stepped forward with a rescue plan to get the station back on the air. Steve Williams, president of Grand River Enterprises, the reserve's huge cigarette manufacturer and the largest employer on Six Nations, and Lynda Powless, the publisher of the Turtle Island News, a weekly native paper, made a proposal to take over the operation. "We did make a proposal," Williams said Tuesday, "but the board turned it down due to personal issues and (the band) council said they wanted to debate it." Williams said he and Powless were prepared to take over the full debt of the station and keep the staff running the operation. 'BIG MISTAKE' "I think the board made a big mistake. It's deeply in debt and it's not incorporated, so now the membership has to pay that debt." Williams said he feels the board's decision wasn't based on concerns about his involvement with the cigarette company or Powless's involvement with another media outlet. "I don't think that was it at all. It's personal. CKRZ was always a 'Roberta-and-Dave' radio station," he said, referring to former chief councillors Roberta Jamieson and David General. "They weren't unbiased and you can tell which way the board went. It's very unfortunate." Continued After Advertisement Below Advertisement Hooton Pool & Spa However, board members reached Tuesday said they hadn't received any official proposal from Williams and Powless and hadn't made any decisions on such a proposal. "We haven't turned down any proposal and haven't even entertained one," said new board chairman Andrew Joseph. "This isn't even our decision. It's up to the membership and we've called an emergency meeting for Feb. 11." Because CKRZ is a community radio station, it's run by a board of directors and a paid membership of about 75 people called the Southern Onkwehon:we Nishinabec Indigenous Communications Society, or SONICS. Joseph said the board hopes to get some direction from the membership about whether it should dissolve the station's assets. It also will present any potential proposals at that meeting. BOARD PROBLEMS An unexpected monkey wrench has been thrown into the shutdown plans, though. When the board brought in local lawyer Aaron Detlor to advise it about taking the station off-air, Detlor examined CKRZ's constitution and found that, due to a delay in the annual general meeting, several board members' terms were over. The five-member board lost a longtime member in December and it put off its annual meeting because of it. Former chairman Ward Laforme, Jr. and member Amos Key resigned on Friday at the news that their terms were up and Joseph automatically became the new chair. Now Joseph and another man are the sole remaining board members. Joseph said the first order of business may be to recruit a few new -- and possibly temporary -- board members. Laforme, the former chair, also said the board hasn't turned down an offer by Williams and Powless. "I think it was turned down by the chief and council but I don't think the chief and council can do that legally, either," Laforme said. Laforme is a Grand River Enterprises employee and said that Williams is his supervisor. "If Steve (Williams) and Lynda (Powless) were to buy it, it doesn't affect GRE in any way because he's not acting as GRE but as a private individual," said Laforme. Key agreed that the board hadn't received or turned down any proposals and said that, before his resignation, the goal was to bring several possibilities to the membership to vote on. "The board isn't against anyone in particular getting it. We don't have that authority because it has to go to the membership." Kathy Montour, CKRZ's fomer executive director, was at the station as a consultant on Tuesday, working on finalizing records of employment and working out severance pay. "We've been hoping since November the two councils -- Six Nations and New Credit -- would become our corporate sponsors. And, when we asked for help with a revitalization plan, they said they would but we've never heard anything about it." Montour said listening habits have changed for all radio stations, while the bottom has fallen out of bingo revenues -- once a critical part of the station's income. It has also become increasingly difficult to sell advertising due to land protests. "We couldn't sell in Caledonia and now Brantford hates us. You can't have people protesting on sites all through Brantford and then go to them and say, 'Want to buy an ad?'" Key, who invested 22 years of volunteer hours in the station, was there on Sunday as the CKRZ went off the air. "I said the last few words, telling people it was like burying a 22 year-old child," he said. "I thanked all the former staff, board members and supporters and said hopefully it will rise from the ashes." - - - CKRZ MEETING What: An emergency meeting of the SONICS membership to discuss the future of CKRZ and entertain possible proposals from buyers. When: Feb. 11 at 7 p. m. Where: The Sports Den at the Community Hall in Oshweken. Note: According to the SONICS constitution, people can buy memberships up to 24 hours before an annual general meeting, but the board has the discretion to accept or deny those memberships when it comes to voting.

And you know that HOW? HMM??? If it wasn't for unions you'd still be slaving for $4/hr with no OHIP. Count you blessings 'private' one, that you live in a province with strong unions.

Looks that way, doesn't it!

No it is not between communities. However, that's your choice to think that way. You have the right to think you are the centre of the universe and everyone's out to get you. Hell, for all I know maybe everyone is! (What did you do to piss people off?) Do you have any comment on Brantford being sued by Kingspan - ie, the thread topic?

Oh get a grip on your cheeks, Oleg, it's just a friggen song we hardly ever sing and then only squeak and warble! And it's out of date. Oh Canada, our home ON native land (oops! and there's a problem!) True patriot love, in all thy sons command (hmm... ) With glowing hearts we see thee rise, The True North, strong and free! From far and wide, O Canada, (doesn't acknowledge those who were here) We stand on guard for thee. God keep our land glorious and free ! (It should just say WE) O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. (Could have something more creative here.) O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

TStar: A last look at Guantanamo MICHELLE SHEPHARD/COPYRIGHT TORONTO STAR NEWSPAPERS LTD. 2009 Canadian detainee Omar Khadr at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp in December. His fate is now in the hands of the Obama administration. Jan 26, 2009 04:30 AM Michelle Shephard NATIONAL SECURITY REPORTER This is Omar Khadr today. He is taller than six feet, weighs more than 180 pounds, has a full beard, short coarse hair and looks nothing like the 15-year-old who was shot and captured by U.S. forces in Afghanistan 6 1/2 years ago. Khadr's fate now rests in the hands of the Obama administration and the Canadian government who will decide if he is to be tried in the U.S. or sent home. The only thing certain is that the 22-year-old will leave Guantanamo Bay this year. Last week was my 15th, and likely final, time reporting from Guantanamo, the U.S. prison on Cuba's southeast coast. As this dark chapter in history closes – a story that began with the horrific Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, but ends with condemnation of a U.S. administration that sacrificed the moral high ground – it's time to look back at a prison that has become an enduring symbol. Guantanamo is a place of jarring juxtapositions. Bad things aren't supposed to happen in beautiful places, which is why each trip becomes surreal moments before landing, when the military pilot makes a sharp right turn to avoid Cuban airspace and the splendour of the aquamarine coastline and rugged terrain comes into focus. From the start, the Pentagon tried to control the message in sometimes farcical ways. Suicides of the detainees became "asymmetric warfare" and force-feeding prisoners on hunger strikes was "assisted feeding." Captives did not have "interrogations" but had "reservations." And signs posted on the road to the camps listed the "Value of the Week" as "Pride" or "Respect" even as Washington debated the definition of torture. ... The Toronto Star is the only media outlet to have attended every court hearing for Khadr – a process Pentagon officials have insisted was "full, fair and open." But the fact that the hearings were held in Cuba, and that we had to agree to pages of ground rules, meant that these trials were anything but open. Legal motions were often not "cleared" for release until months after a hearing had taken place. Few exhibits were ever given to reporters. There was also a ban on identifying military witnesses. Sometimes this made sense if it meant protecting someone posted abroad or undercover. But one perplexing instance in Khadr's case came last month when lawyers were arguing about a witness known as "D.C." It was clear they were talking about Damien Corsetti, a military interrogator – now retired – who had befriended Khadr when he was held in Bagram, Afghanistan. I had interviewed Corsetti in 2007 for a book on Khadr's case and his account of what happened to prisoners at the U.S. base was featured in the Star and in an Oscar-award-winning documentary, Taxi to the Dark Side. Corsetti did not mind going public but we didn't publish his name for that day's story because under the military court rules we could have been barred from the base. http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/577209 ***** It was Damien Corsetti I saw interviewed on tv. He confirmed that torture was definitely part of Omar's treatment even before Gitmo - 'interpretations' of the Geneva Convention like 15 min sleep = not moving, even with eyes open, and even that cut short. After days of that "They were just babbling anything." Bless him for going public. He befriended Omar after torturing him, said Omar was just like any 15 year old kid - missed things at home like his Playstation, etc. and ... http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Doctor+te...1719/story.html (Dr.) Mosier recalled being startled to hear Khadr answer her in English when she first questioned him at his bedside. She expressed that this and his generally more “well-fed” appearance made her think he “didn’t seem” typical of what she had seen of young al-Qaida fighters. Mosier operated on both Khadr’s eyes, which she said had been laid open by shrapnel. She eventually acknowledged she almost certainly saved his sight. IE, if Omar could have thrown anything with three holes through his chest, very unlikely, he couldn't have been aiming because he could not see at the time. Khadr, who has been detained at Guantanamo since his transfer in the fall of 2002, continues to suffer from the effects of bright light, and has complained he is losing sight in one of his eyes. His prosecutors have called Mosier as well as more than a dozen other witness to counter Kuebler’s bid to have the judge toss out self-incriminating statements Khadr made. Kuebler has argued they were extracted from the then-youth either through coercion or possibly torture. Indeed testifying for the defence on the harsh interrogation conditions at Bagram will be Damien Corsetti, a former army specialist who was known as the “monster” and “king of torture” when he served as an interrogator at the facility. ... While campaigning for the presidency, Obama said he saw no reason why traditional U.S. military or civilian courts couldn’t handle the Guantanamo cases. That suggests Khadr could be recharged once the new administration decides on a revised plan. Kuebler, however, is optimistic that the new administration will conclude Khadr, now 22, should instead be repatriated to Canada. Citing military battle reports and other materials, Kuebler has argued in numerous pre-trial hearings that someone other than Khadr threw the grenade that killed Speer, and that Khadr’s statements weren’t freely given. “A number of things Omar is alleged to have done could be tried in a federal court in the United States under U.S. code,” said Kuebler. “Our belief is that when the Obama administration looks at that evidence they’ll come to the conclusion there really is no evidence to support the most serious charges against Omar, and that they will elect, in light of his status as a child soldier, to transfer him back to Canada for appropriate process there.” ... “We would support some kind of arrangement whereby he would be brought back under some sort of supervision or control order,” he added, reflecting proposals he has long made for the terms of Khadr’s return to Canada. Kuebler has also long argued Khadr is a youth in need of help, not prosecution. “All in all (Guantanamo) has been a very negative effect,” he said. “Omar was essentially picked up as a 15-year-old boy and never exposed educational and socializing influences that an adolescent is exposed to. [-ed-and tortured instead] In many ways he is frozen in the mindset of a 14- or 15- year-old. That’s a consequence of a decision that the U.S. government made.” [email protected] Tell Obama to send Omar Khadr home, with an apology and compensation.

Well ... that's you choice. Anyway ... it would be nice is our governments that cause the problems would get off their arses and do something constructive to resolve it. It's not like the struggle is between communities of people.

Army guy, how old do you have to be to be considered a soldier? As a child, Omar did not have free choice.

There isn't one actual quote of Mrs. Kahdr there, just what some media hack columnist wants to report she said. Omar was a child in the care and control of adults. Where are those videos available?

My mistake. I forgot it was before Canadian soldiers were there. What did she say? He was not armed. He was not fighting. He had no choice about being there. He was a child/youth in the care of adults. He was badly wounded, blinded, covered with rubble, could not have thrown the grenade, and the forensic evidence showed it was a US grenade - 'friendly fire' that killed the American soldier.

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If the Fatah was back in power in Gaza, would you allow them weapons? I think Israel learned to leave Hezbollah alone, so they are picking on tiny Gaza instead. To be fair, Hamas and the Palestinian people want to be able to return to their homes, and live in an integrated state without discrimination and blockades and attacks. The Hamas 'destruction of Israel' propaganda card has been much overplayed, especially in the midst of the very real Israeli destruction of Gaza is the issue now.

"Eliminating the problem" is not an option, since Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas and support Hamas. http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=84057...ionid=351020202 Hamas offers long-term truce for Gaza freedom Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:50:34 GMT Hamas leader Ghazi Hamad A senior Hamas official says the movement is willing to negotiate a long-term truce with Israel if Gazan borders are opened to the world. "We want to be part of the international community. I think Hamas has no interest now to increase the number of crises in Gaza or to challenge the world," Hamas official Ghazi Hamad told AP. Hamas leaders in the past have spoken about a long-term truce with Israel, saying they want international recognition as much as an end to the blockade of the impoverished Gaza Strip. Israel nonetheless abominates the notion of engaging the Palestinian resistance movement.

People should know what they are talking about before they get carried away with exaggerations. This is Toronto public secondary teachers: As you said, Dept heads are the ones at the top. http://www.osstfd12.com/artman/documents/r..._coll_agree.pdf Effective Feb 1 2008: Step GroupIGroupIIGroupIIIGroup IV 0 40,612 42,500 45,969 49,225 1 42,757 44,754 49,056 51,896 2 45,245 47,354 52,320 55,073 3 47,731 49,959 55,578 58,261 4 50,563 52,894 59,017 61,959 5 53,388 55,852 62,447 65,658 6 56,217 58,794 65,881 69,351 7 59,054 61,729 69,316 73,057 8 61,884 64,677 72,747 76,748 9 64,712 67,620 76,184 80,449 10 67,544 70,558 79,621 84,147 And 4.5 hours contact time often carries more than that for preparation and marking and meetings and administrative paperwork and student/parent contact, etc etc etc It always amazes me that there are people who think 35+35+35+35 teenagers a room (with you!) every day is "cushy". hahahaha! I think it's the bowels of hell, but to each his/her own. Thank god there are people who want to do it!

read back ... your posts ... let me know when you figure it out.

I don't know who think you are attempting out 'out' here, and that's a violation anyway, but I assure you 'respect the laws' works very well for me. I notice you are having some difficulty with it though, and human civility totally escapes you. If only freedom of speech meant others had to listen and think and do as you say, eh? Then you'd be happy. But that's not freedom for the rest of us, is it? It's totalitarianism. So ... you got some thinkin to do ... do you want the freedom to speak within limits of civility like we all have? Or do you want to be 'the one opinion' ... keeping in mind that being a tyrant is a 'dog eat dog' world where might is right and there is no need for human respect? Your choice, eh? We can't do the latter here, of course, but I'd be happy to suggest another venue. Bring it on.

irrelevant to the topic

Laws do change sometimes, but the important thing is to respect the laws in existence in Canada. The 8th century is a little beyond our Canadian mandate.