Moonbox

Welcome to politics. It seems you're new here.

While I can't say I'm excited that they've spent so much money, I can say this is pretty small potatoes and it's not something people really care about. Topaz you really need to choose your battles better.

Yes. That must be why they were given the boot. Your logic in this case is unassailable.

Yeah.....you're really showing it........

I'm going to ignore your complete lack of understanding when it comes to the budget numbers you posted. You're totally clueless, but explaining it all to you appears hopeless so I'll hone in on your Avro Arrow argument instead. The Avro Arrow was an obsolete design as soon as it came on the market. It was designed as an interceptor. Its intended use was to fly really fast and really straight to catch up to long range Soviet bombers before they had a chance to drop nukes on us. It wasn't agile. It wasn't robust. It was a very fast and very straight flying plane. With the advent of ICBMs (Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles), long range bombers were no longer the main nuclear threat. Nuclear Missiles launched from Russia were. The Avro was useless in countering this threat. Continuing with the Avro would have been a waste of money and continuing to fund a tiny military aerospace industry was equally wasteful. We shared continental defence with the world's biggest military manufacturer and the scale at which they were able to operate, and our common defensive interests, made Avro redundant. You don't seem to have any idea what the Arrow was tbh.

I'm not sure if you misinterpreted. I said carbon taxes, cap and trades or whatever you like to use makes your industry less competitive and simply outsources pollution. If all the world's major polluters would get on board with something I wouldn't have a single argument against it. I do, on the other hand, strongly protest extra costs on our manufacturers in the form of carbon taxes when the world's biggest polluters have no similar costs to deal with. Emission reductions in Canada wouldn't even be noticed in the world. It'd be like a fart in the wind. No rudeness intended but I didn't understand this statement at all the way it was written. I can't figure out what you're saying here.

I'm not really sure how remarkable it is that a carbon tax, or cap and trade or whatever you want to try reduces emissions. That's what they're designed to do. The question that I get back to is how many dirty polluting jobs were sent to China and how much does the system cost your economy?

How much of the reduced emissions were a result of business shutting down and moving to Asia and record oil prices, not to mention the onset of the recession? A 3 year snapshot isn't exactly a reliable sample size.

Considering how much you bash Harper, and by how crazy half of what comes out of your mouth is, I'm not surprised by anything you say.

How many people have you called illiterate today? Is that the insult of the day? You're a real credit to the forum here.....

Nope sorry! 40% vote for him as PM. and what...you're a shining bastion of intellect? Excuse me while I go flush the toilet....

Um...with that comment I'm not really sure you understand what an analogy even is. My reference wasn't really even an analogy. Using rhetoric =/ 'analogy'. All I did was explain why your analogy was bad by supporting what jbg was trying to say. The fact that you missed all that, and the meaning of analogy, is troubling to me.

Actually they'd probably be better off.....

Topaz you're getting pathetic man...get it together already.

A matter of opinion fortunately! One that ~40% of Canadians, unfortunately for you, disagree with.

I don't really think it matters what you consider yourself. You're one of the most die-hard Harper critics on this forum. If Harper dived in front of a train to save a dozen orphan children you'd still find an angle to criticize him for it.

Well if you don't say. A CBC article supports my viewpoint. Amazing. What possible environmental benefit is there to outsourcing our pollution in the grand scheme of things?

Analogies are bad arguments, particularly this one. Saddam was a murderous mad man who had the authority and the power to utterly suppress his people. In his case only outside force could remove him. Gadhafi, on the other hand, is a travelling road clown and his army is the joke of Africa. His people have the power, and will, to get rid of him themselves and that's exactly what's happening.

No it's just a really special ability that the Harper haters have to make up bad news wherever they can, and transform good news into bad news with whatever mental magic they have.

Carbon taxation is a dumb sell, not a hard sell. That's why it's not flying. It's almost impossible to justify imposing taxes and increased costs to manufacturers in Canada when they account for barely a fraction of the world's emissions, when the world's largest emitters have no similar restrictions. All you'd be doing is moving your manufacturers to China/India, where with the cost of labour they don't exactly need any other competitive advantages. Sounds like a great idea to me!!!

Wait was I supposed to take WIP's post seriously? That environmental issues are the #1 most important issue in all of Canadian politics, surpassing health care, taxes, the economy etc etc etc? How do you respond to that other than with laughter? Dumb posts get dumb answers.

Maybe in another 3-4 years. It's hilarious that you think it might be soon. Is that what they're saying at rabble Topaz? LoL.

It's not exactly remarkable that a third world country known for nothing other than apartheid and HIV/AIDS gets a publicity boost when someone sees something other than that. As for Harper's international reputation, I'm proud of what he's done. SHAME ON US for being net energy producers and for clubbing baby seals. SHAAAAME.

Your experience of what other countries think of us is totally relevant to the discussion. Other countries (and the polls) are enlightened by it.....

Chretien wasn't responsible for the 62 cent dollar, nor is Harper fully responsible for Canada's international reputation. All the hacks here tend to forget that politics are almost always GREY.