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As would Canadians everywhere.

ICBM's made the Avro obsolete. A common myth that Liberals like to support is that the Avro was leaps ahead in terms of technology etc. This is unfortunately not true as both the Americans and the British came out with similar or better designs only a few years later. It was a good plane in its own rights, but it was designed for an obsolete role. As you may have noticed, we don't really use interceptor planes anymore.

He might have been wrong about how long it would take, but that appears to be exactly what's going on.

The replacement being designed for the F-18E Super Hornet will largely be unmanned. Maybe 1/4 of the versions built will be manned. The F-35 is likely going to be the last primarily manned fighter we see.

They don't disagree on anything no but then Shwa's at least smart enough not to skewer himself saying something as retarded as "logic is a delusion". Rational argument is indeed beyond both of them, but Shwa at least covers up for his deficiencies with mockery and trolling. CR, however, regularly craps on his own face with some of the dumbest and most easily quoted stupidity you can find anywhere on the internet.

He didn't correct himself. He said logic was a delusion and then when presented with the definitions he called me schizo. It wasn't a typo. He posted multiple times to denounce logic as a whole. CR has also basically argued that contemporary interpretation is not part of our legal system. He has indicated that the Supreme Court would not look at any Act or legislation and interpret it based on what is reasonable. He's denounced the standard of Natural Law on our legal system (the concept that any system of law should be based on what is reasonable and fair) and he's denied that Section 1 of our Charter (AKA the limitations clause) has any impact on Section 25 of the Charter (which it absolutely does). CR has taken the position that reason and logic have no place in the discussion of Aboriginal Rights or present and future settlement claims. Shwa I generally view you as a troll on this forum looking mostly to agitate, but even you're not dumb enough to say some of the garbage that CR has typed out.

Oh yeah...you're talking about the obsolete-upon completion Avro Arrow right?

Which happens to be leaps and bounds above you. Let's not forget: Followed by a list of words synonymous (I'll let you figure out what that word means) with logic: Common sense Reason Thinking Sound judgement Sanity Coherence Train of thought http://thesaurus.com I highlighted the two I thought might be simple enough for you to understand. Logic is being able to follow an argument from start to finish in a way that makes sense given the facts you have. We tried that with the dead man lying in on the ground with the gunshot wound and the bullet nearby. You got flustered. It's interesting that sanity is used synonymously with logic. You saying logic is a delusion leads one to the obvious conclusion about your state of mind. Now just for fun let's look at some synonyms for illogical: Not making sense Absurd Disconnected Fallacious (look that one up it might be a biggy for you) Far-fetched Groundless http://thesaurus.com What I'm trying to get is that any attempt by you to question ANYONE else's intelligence here after is simply hilarious. That's stupidity on the grandest of scales.

Go back to your cage monkey. That child has more reasoning power than you do.

Guys, CR thinks logic, rationality and reason are a delusion. Not only is that the single most retarded thing that's EVER been said on this forum, it's also a pretty clear admission of an inability to argue intelligently. Don't waste your time. It's like arguing with a dumb monkey.

No the point is that it's huge and thus difficult to patrol. Our forces much be stretched very thin to even make an effort at it. There's nothing particularly daunting about actually landing on our coast (other than big daddy down south).

It's not that simple. We don't make fun of you because we don't agree with your opinions. I generally don't agree with most of what Topaz, posts, for example, but I don't make fun of him because he can clearly state why he feels differently and because he doesn't go on useless tirades. Your opinions, on the other hand, are both poorly supported and stupidly presented. Even when I DO agree with you (which is more often than you'd probably think) the way you present your opinions is in such a rude, ignorant and inflammatory manner that it's rarely worthy of any respect. When you post like an idiot, you get treated like one.

Well done Topaz. That was my favourite post by you ever. Thanks for saying everything I was thinking. I wish there was a sub-forum for these people so they could get together andfling nonsense and poo at each other.

Wow when did either of us say that? Grasping at thin air again I see? It's too bad you're back. I thought you were leaving weren't you??

Yep go post in the other thread. I think it's at like...page 90 or something. Can someone get this deleted?

Couldn't have said it better myself - especially the part in bold. Just in case you don't understand what contempt means (and I'm sure you don't) it means we don't respect your intelligence level.

You say I can't make a rational argument. Now let's look at a couple definitions: rational [ˈræʃənəl] adj 1. using reason or logic in thinking out a problem 2. in accordance with the principles of logic or reason; reasonable 3. of sound mind; sane the patient seemed quite rational 4. endowed with the capacity to reason; capable of logical thought man is a rational being 5. (Mathematics) Maths expressible as a ratio of two integers or polynomials a rational number; a rational function Collins English Dictionary Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003 Next: rea·son (rzn) n. 1. The basis or motive for an action, decision, or conviction. See Usage Notes at because, why. 2. A declaration made to explain or justify action, decision, or conviction: inquired about her reason for leaving. 3. An underlying fact or cause that provides logical sense for a premise or occurrence: There is reason to believe that the accused did not commit this crime. 4. The capacity for logical, rational, and analytic thought; intelligence. 5. Good judgment; sound sense. 6. A normal mental state; sanity: He has lost his reason. 7. Logic A premise, usually the minor premise, of an argument. and finally: logical [ˈlɒdʒɪkəl] adj 1. (Philosophy / Logic) relating to, used in, or characteristic of logic 2. (Philosophy / Logic) using, according to, or deduced from the principles of logic a logical conclusion 3. capable of or characterized by clear or valid reasoning 4. reasonable or necessary because of facts, events, etc. So here we have definitions for the words rational, reason and logical. You have stated that logic is a delusion. This causes you a problem, because the definition of rational is "in accordance with the principles of logic". Also, the word "reason" is defined as "the capacity for logical, rational and analytical thought -- intelligence". You've taken the absolutely retarded position that logic is a delusion. As such, by definition, so is reason and rationality. These are very simple and very easily illustrated FACTS. If you've denounced logic (and by definition reason and rationality) there's very little point in arguing with you. Indeed you're position is unassailable. You've entered the realm of irrationality and in this realm the only reality that counts is in your own little head. By denouncing logic you've by default confirmed that any discussion with you moving forward will be irrational and make no sense. There's nothing upsetting about this for me. Indeed, I find you hilarious as do a good number of other posters here. I've wasted enough time, however, and I have better things to do. Once again, may God have mercy on your poor dumb soul.

I did not realize that. I know a lot of groups have been upset with this and personally I really don't see why people are so upset to have to fill out a few pages of information to give to the gov't.

This is the most ignorant and flat out retarded thing I have ever read. I'm done here and I've seen all I need to see. charter.rights, I wish you luck in life, because you're going to need all the help you can get. May God have mercy on your poor soul.

It helps the government determine public policy. Knowing what the average income throughout various regions of Canada, for example is very useful information for the government to have. Knowing the number of children households have is another useful tidbit for helping to determine where schools need to be built and what sort of immigration is necessary to support our aging population. There are hundreds of examples for how this information can be used to the betterment of Canada.

You, me and almost everyone else in this thread have. I think charter.rights is a lost cause. His entire argument hinges on a court system, government and reality completely devoid of logic.

The next on a list of things the Tories have done lately that flat out disgust me. The census has been a hallmark of civilization for about 2000 years and pretty much every secular country in the world uses is for VERY good reason. It's a helpful tool for policy makers and helps people get a good idea of what areas and types of people need help the most. EDIT: It seems I was rather ignorant on the subject. Having read a little further about it, I feel like it makes sense. The current census as it currently stands is a fair bit more invasive than I had thought.

Logic can't be a delusion. That comment itself is the biggest delusion possible. Let's dumb it down for you even more. You are hungry. You want to not be hungry. Eating food would make you not hungry. What's the logical solution? No, what we have are some facts. We have a wound that looks like a bullet hole. We have a dead man. We have a bloody bullet nearby. Logic and reason take us the rest of the way to make an assumption. It is not a certainty, but it is a likelihood, and it's almost certain to be correct. With the given facts, and with even a sniff of intelligence, most people would be able to come to this conclusion. It makes SENSE to assume that man died of a gunshot wound. I'll grant that your imagination is pretty good with coming up with those other possibilities, but there was no mention of shrapnel in the area, no blood trail or other foreign object and no mention of the man having any surgery. You came up with that with pure imagination. Most of your arguments have worked that way as well, because, like I said before, you've been quoted about 50 times here with EASILY PROVEN falsehoods. Reason is not a delusion. To say so is absolutely insane. The phrase, "Beyond a REASONABLE doubt" is simple evidence that this is how a court of law operates. Logic is not a delusion, because it is the application of reason. The facts and evidence are things that HELP a judge make a reasonable decision. If, for example, you have a hundred witnesses and a video tape of a man killing a woman, the judge would use these facts to come to the logical conclusion that the man killed the woman. If logic and reason are a delusion, as you claim, the judge could just as easily decide that Winston Churchill came back from the dead, doctored the video tape and bribed 100 witnesses to testify against the man. This is the sort of lunacy your arguments have contained thus far. I'm finding it hilarious.

Wait...wait...I think I get it now. This is how it works: The man died of what looks like a bullet wound. Ah, there is the bullet. It's pretty clear he died of food poisoning. He must have eaten some bad meat. charter.rights I'm catching on now, right???? Logic is a myth right???

Since when is mocking an idiotic post called backpeddling? You just tried to tell us that logic (the study and application of reason) has no place in a justice or legal system. That's your whole argument this entire thread broken down into one simple sentence. As far as your concerned, logic and reason have no place in the application of law in Canada. We've already learned that that you don't believe that the People have any influence over the Crown (patently false) and now we learn that logic and reason also have no influence over them. This is indeed what you've been saying the whole thread. As far as your concerned, the Crown's decisions will be based entirely on what YOU tell them. You've been caught in quotation about 50 times in this thread by various posters either telling us something totally false (and easily proven to be) or so childishly stupid and contradictory that even a 5th grader could point out their fallacies. My advice is for you to is to just stop embarrassing yourself. I only half-heartedly mean that, however, because every time I log on to the site I get to read something hilariously dumb.