Alta4ever

So why is the party offic ein ottawa, why have most of reform Mps retired? Why is it that the policy book from 2005 was written by grassroots from across the country. The reform movement is gone, if fact if you visit other online forums you will find former reformers pinning for the party again because they are unhappy with the CPC, and what they see as a sell out to the reform roots. The fact is that they have been striving to create a real conservative movement not a western based protest party. Even with a majority mandate you wouldn't see strong social conservative policy. If you read the 2005 policy book you will see for yourself what I have told you.

I can't beleive it but I agree with you on most of your posts in this thread........scary

Maybe thats the problem, you pray that your candidate makes it, I go out and volunteer for the candidate I support to work for their victory.

I really loved this post, thank you.

The gap widing may or not be a problem, there are so many variables. Without all the info a judgement can't be made.

With out the info it just turns this type of threat into a real mess, because of the lack of info. People get labled heartless even though they really may not be. With this kind of topic you have to have all of the info not just one of the conclusions that the writer decided to publish.

Wrong the reform party isn't in power. Much of the reform element is gone, comparing policy back to the reform party much of that is gone as well.

1. Fair vs equitable this is somehting that transfered over from my days of life insurance. The phrase above was used all the time. the best way I hav eof explaining this is an anaolgy back to where we used it. Say you are setting up your will. You could be fair and leave 50% 'of you business to both children, even though one doesn't hasn't contributed to the company and followed their own career path. This would be fair, in the optics to someone who read the will. When you dig a little father though, you child who runs the business now either has to come up with capital to buy out the other or pay dividends to the sibling even though the sibling doesn't have to contribute anything to the business. Equitable would be setting up an insurance policy for the second child at a slightly lower amount then the value of the business because they won't have to work to gain income off that sum of money, where the first child would have to work very hard to keep the business viable. get it fair vs equitable, very similar but different. 2. You are compaining because you feel since no one was elected from a party you supported that the national number should carry more weight then it does. So you come on a forum and exposue this poor me sentiment that you don't have anyone who speaks for me beacuse a party that you voted for has no members in the commons. When the reality is you have people who will do this for you in your constituency, but you don't recognize the, because you think your voice is more important than the majority of those others in your constituency. How is speaking about what I perceive your state to be a lie? Politics isn't about truth, it is about what your perception not about truth, because the truth can be subjective. What say is what I see when I read your posts. (Much like you see me as rude). This raises one big point about PR if you are asigned an MP who has been parachuted in by the party and gets the seat through the PR system, but knows nothing about the constituency how are they suppose to be a voice for the problems and concerns of the people if they know nothing about the region the people or the constituency? There are very big flaws with PR and it subverts true democracy. 3. What you are purposing is the party got x number of votes nationally, now we need to give you some seats even though you didn't win in any riding. So that means the rights of the majority are going to be taken away. That is Totalitarianism.

Actually they were because they never would have been able to form government to do it. They were whining in hopes some other party would do it for them. They were never going to form government and they new it. There were those in the reform party that want exactly what you do, and they are wrong for it.

I have seen suggestiona I have made to my MP make it to the floor of the House of Commons. Heck even the provincial politician that made MLA in my riding I didn't vote or supported has taken questions that I have and got answers from cabinet ministers. I just don't see what the problem is the system is working very well.

I whole heartedly agree

I was thinking more about this artical, and they didn't study what was contributing to the growth of this and which numbers are moving where and what the bench mark is. Theie is a lot of info missing from this news story. Sometimes the MSM really drives me nuts, its time consuming to try and find these studies to find out what the hard data is really saying and not the position the reporter has taken and the facts that they want to report.

Thats right because society has a victim mentality. If the provinces looked after their own houses they would have to come whining with hand out.

Out of all the parties conservatives got more of the vote than any one other party. Have I once complained about this, although it really was not different then the last 4 liberal government which only one of them had more than 40% election night. Even in those results you would have never caught me whining about the need for proportional representation as presented by you sore losers. Keep in mind that all of you may be on the left but none of you agree, so when you look at it the liberals only got 26.23, NDP who got 18.19, the bloc at 9.98 and then the greens at 6.80. So lets look at this the way you seem to 73.77% of Canadians did not vote for the liberals, 81.81% of Canadians did not vote for the NDP, 90.02% of Canadians did not vote for the Bloc, and well you should see the trend 93.2% of Canadians did vote for the greens. So what does this say to you? I'll tell you what this says to me a bigger majority of Canadians didn't want a liberal, ndp, or green government then CPC. So our democracy worked, I still would have said it worked had the result been different and another party got in.

I think you will be surprised what will come of this, I have been to a couple of AGMs for some of the fun management companies in Canada, I can tell you that the minute that investors see this kind of crap going on they will put the screws to the board of directors, or even replace them. Once bitten twice shy. Most of these dhareholders have already been bitten in the US. Things should get interesting after the forth quarter results are released.

I think Liberals call that fiscal prudence.

A liar, care to prove that? Is that how you deal with someone who contradicts your position? You are whining, it is you who wants to impose your minority's beliefs on the majority of others.

Look at this way you are trying to elect who you think would best represent your constituency, but you were out voted, the person that is elected MP is still to represent your consituency, which includes you. They have no idea who you voted for and will listen to your arguement, and most will take it into consideration. BUt you like a minority of others don't understand this or how it works. BTW we are a constitutional monarchy, this means the people have the power to enact law. this was set out in the Magna Carta. It is the basis of our law and political system. We are not a straight monarchy, the crown does not have absolute power. In fact now it has no power, it is nothing more than a traditional symbol.

After this recession, you will see shareholders not put up with the golden parachute which you are refering to and capitalism will take care of it in a hurry with more vengance then could be regulated.

Why so much profanity? There is one thing that this news artical has missed and I would love to see the numbers for this. Has the number of people living in poverty gone up or down? This artical doesn't address this. Question 2 why is bad the people are doing better for themselves, why should we take this away from them, we should maybe have a study on why these people are doing better, and contrast that against why the there is a widing gap instead of the emotional driven lunacy perpetuated in this thread.

Your full of it 1. Life isn't about what is fair it is about what is equitable. To think otherwise puts you in the same mindset as most kindergarteners. I Guess you still haven't learned that one major life lesson life isn't fair get over it. 2. How can a minority impose their will on the majority, please how does this work, this sounds like a totalitarian society were democracy doesn't work. Its sounds like a bunch of ruling elite nonsense. Churchill said it best, "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried." The fundamental lesson of democracy is everybody has a say but those with the majority win. As for your example, it doesn't matter that they were close it matters that one person had more support. Out of all the candidates one got the most support, and its not like its an appointment for life, loof at Rahim Jaffer. He got replaced and it can happen during any election. Minority rule is a failure of democracy, if you don't believe me see any country that has had a monarchy, dictator, or totalitarian system. See Iraq, Iran, USSR, China, Revolutionary France and Napoleon, Italy, ect. We could go on and on for days. If you want your ideas that are held by the minority to become those of the mainstreams, I suggest you start selling to the masses, and stop whining, but I think most people know what your proposing is and what it would do to any democracy. Not to mention those of us who see this for what it is and will do everything possible to stop the subversion of democracy in this country.

Fair representation is majority rule. In each riding the candidate with the majority won. Quit whinning we on the right had to deal with this for a long time. Some a advice, pick a couple of ridings where your party could possibly win, start work now not 3 months before the election, get a real organization going and pour money and advertising into it, recuirt a good candidate and that will give you a real start to a party that will maybe start a snowball effect. Whinning will do nothing to furthur your cause.

Supposedly they did, remeber the political training conventionin Toronto.

You should run.

I thought you said you weren't partisan? Whats this?