Alta4ever

I asked poeple to keep this on topic why does this hypocracy exist, or why do you say it doesn't. The thread isn't about who can or can't get married, its about the response of these people who are asking society to be tolerant of them, but they feel no need to be tolerant of society. If you read the whole artical, their are many many posts of intolerance and hate of catholics and mormans.

Moving this over from the Green vote thread. Should we the taxpayers be paying for Poltical Party Welfare?

You can gain publicity without money. But you are only thinking of hiring telemarketers and running tv ads. I'm telling you that the grassroots are more powerrful, and when political party figures out how to tap this, they will gain donations, and elect members, but until then you will cry for public financing, which is a waste of public funds. The green party has a lot to learn about running an effective electoral district assocaition.

I think they have looked to them because of Democrats like Barney Frank.

It hasn't stangnated since confederation yet upstart parties have come and gone but made their mark. Medicare came from the NDP although they have never formed a federal government. Provincally in Alberta we have seen the United Farmers, Progressives, Social Credit, Liberals, NDP, Conservatives, Progressive Conservatives. Most of these parties have formed government at some time or another. They all came into being with tax funds and have both risen and fallen. Lack of money has never stopped a good idea.

So what. The fact is these people are advocating hate, they want to burn down churches, kill and hurt people. How is that showing tolerance towards the majority of Americans who hold the opinions and views they hold. They should be able to tolerate the church is what it is. America is not state the seperates religion and state. The country was form undered calvinists. The fact is this group made its plea to the people it was overturned. the majority has to be respected. Maybe in time they will be able to convince the majority otherwise, but those are the rules and they must tolerate as the rest of the citizens do. The hypocracy is there in the artical to be seen. Even though you may question the source those internet posts probably exist. But please go on live in your little world, were the left is always right and they never do any wrong. I am using this artical as an example of how the liberals act and the hypocracy of their movement, I could really care less about prop 8. So please no one hijack this thread I do not want it to be about whether or not gays should have the right to wed. Lets keep it on the topic of the liberal hypocracy.

Ideas do cost nothing unless you are hiring a think tank. Access to data can, transmission doesn't have to cost anything. If you get a proper grassroots organization working together speaking out at publiuc forms writing letters to the editor ect, good ideas will spread. Woodrow Wilson used this type of communication to get elect and get his policy ideas known. The system works and it has been proven over and over. If you want to organize you convention work within your means and ask for donotions from those who are symapthetic. That is how you biuld a party, you are just tring to jusify a short cut. None of the other political parties in country built themselves out of public funds, why should it be different for you? Political Party Welfare needs to end.

It doesn't creat a balanced system it gives more power to those who have no base, if they can't rise out of the grassroots then their policies aren't very good. Tax monies have never been ment for fighting elections they are ment fund government projects and getting re-elected should never be a govenment project it should be the parties.

Your looking at this backwards the parties electoral success id based apon both their ideas and motivating (ie fund raising) their base through their ideas. You don't need millions of dollars to make and communicate plans at a grassroots level. Why would you accept an honarium from a party you are tring to build? That is a waste of funding, the reward should be the fulfilment of you political aspirations not the pay check. Ideas cost nothing. I'm sure when you are asking for a donation on the phone you aren't telling the donor the money is going to paid to someone to develop policy, you are talking about you policy to gain sympathy for your cause and thus get a donation. All of this can be done without corperate donations, or political welfare. It is a waste of precious tax dollars.

I hope the next election is about change, change to a smaller less powerful government, reduction of the centralized planning and errosion of provincial rights that Trudeau started.

The green moment is dying out, poeple are more concerned with the money in their pocket then about the amount of c02 in the atmosphere. Its time that the green movement forget about the gorical and get back to fighting for a clean enviornment less toxic waste fewer nuclear power plants. But for the most part the green movement seems to be happy that it has been hijacked by the socialists, and facists that seem to have more concern about controlling peoples lives and eroading their freedoms then, reducing the posions put into our ecosystems.

What credit was given to george bush? None he like the rest of the democrats blame GWB for all of America's problems. Even though most of their problems have been compounding over time from multiple administrations.

Its funny the left has problems doing as it preaches. They want you to be tolerant of them, but they do not want to be tolerant of society.

Seems to me that there is a lot of love for regan now. The core of the part has not been vocal and it isn't the social concervatives that you think it is. It is the fiscal conservatives. People in the US are center-center right. The Gop has lost its true conservative value that elected so many good presidents, they will be back and it will only take 2 years.

Have you ever helped formulate policy? Its doesn't cost a dime. The larger you base the more fundraising that can be done. I doubt you have ever served on an EDA board I doubt you know how any of this works. You have policy directors, and fundraising directors they are volunteers. They strike commitees to execute these duties. Political parties are about volunteering to get the work done, not paying someone to do it for you. Policy wonks are never demoted, because they should really have very little to do with the fundraising anyway. The system would run fine without taxpayers footing part of the bill. The parties woiuld have to be a lot more accountable to their donating base. You act in a way that ticks off your base you loose you funds. Politcal welfare needs to go. Their is no public benefit for the cost.

Never said they didn't want to but that they counter the extreme left engineering.

This is not important, if political parties had proper fund raising sytems in place they wouldn't need a nickel of the tax payer funding. They don't need it, $2,200 per person per year is enough for any politcial organization. That does have anything to do with undue influence as the corperate donations are gone. Taxpayers do not need to fund political parties, if the party can't make it on its own, it should be doomed to the history books. Political party welfare is not important, that money is better spent on social programs for citizens or for infrastructure, policing, or military spending. Taxes given to political parties are wasted.

I didn't know that shpwing up in the senate to vote present was getting things done. When has ever done anything in his career as state senator was done as concesus building? He has never even tried to work across party lines. Quit swallowing the MSM stories whole.

That doesn't mean it needs to be funded with public money. Our taxes would be better spent on other projects, then fund political parties no matter the stripe.

Wishfull thinking but it won't happen. California is proof of that, besides whats wrong with being a socon? They have every right to exist and they counter the extreme lonney left, who want to engineer society.

It should be done retroactively for the last election

Only in your mind, history will show GW Bush was a great President, this reminds me of what types like you said about Reagan, and history has vindcated him. There is so much hate and jealously that comes from you.

That is not the kind of inspiration the world needs. Those younger generations need ot use their education to form an opinion instead of jumping on trends and bandwagon tactics. All that education means nothing if they can't even form one of their own opinons. The problem is not the process its the type of education.

I loved this quote out of the artical you listed "Today’s economic crisis, like every other in our history, will in time pass. But the barbarians will still be at the gates. Whom do you want on the parapet? I’m for the guy who can tell the lion from the lamb."

Not to metion 2 years of a real peice of work House speaker that will tick many many Americans off. Heck california was only 4-5% difference between the two candidates. This was an election that should send a message to the far left liberals/progressives of America, becareful tow the line and don't get carried a way, we are giving your candiate a try don't blow it. Side note it was also a message to the GOP get back to your fundimentals and rebulid.