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Prominent ex-Tories switch sides

Harper takes much of the heat in first leaders debate

William Johnson, a Quebec commentator, just stated on CPAC that there were 2 winners and 2 losers tonight: Winners: Duceppe & Layton Losers: Martin & Harper Reason: If you have to read your speech in a debate you lose. If you read notes it destroys rapport the audience.

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SES CPAC poll results released June 14, 2004 Best Prime Minister Date:------May 25,---June 11,-----------June 14 Martin:----31%,------31%, no change,--30%, down 1% Harper:---17%,------22%, up 5%,------27%, up 5% Layton:---9%,--------11%, up 2%,------12%, up 1% Duceppe:-3%,--------3%, no change,----4%, up 1%

Canada Company Date----------CO LI ND BL GN OT UD SES CPAC 14/06/2004 34 33 18 11 05 00 15 SES CPAC 11/06/2004 34 33 18 11 05 ?? 24 EKOS 10/06/2004 34 30 19 ?? ?? ?? ?? SES CPAC 10/06/2004 37 32 17 10 05 ?? 22 Leger Marketing 09/06/2004 30 33 19 12 ?? ?? ?? Ipsos-Reid 09/06/2004 31 32 16 ?? ?? ?? ?? SES CPAC 09/06/2004 37 33 15 10 05 ?? 22 SES CPAC 08/06/2004 35 31 16 11 06 ?? 23 SES CPAC 07/06/2004 34 32 20 11 04 ?? 22 Ipsos-Reid 04/06/2004 31 32 17 11 06 ?? ?? SES CPAC 04/06/2004 34 37 17 09 03 ?? ?? SES CPAC 03/06/2004 32 35 19 09 04 ?? ?? SES CPAC 02/06/2004 29 37 19 11 05 ?? ?? Leger Marketing 02/06/2004 30 35 17 12 05 ?? ?? SES 01/06/2004 25 36 22 13 05 ?? ?? Ipsos-Reid 31/05/2004 30 34 16 ?? 06 ?? ?? SES 31/05/2004 26 36 20 13 05 ?? ?? SES 30/05/2004 31 34 19 12 03 ?? ?? EKOS 28/05/2004 30 38 18 11 ?? ?? ?? SES 28/05/2004 31 40 16 10 03 ?? ?? SES 27/05/2004 29 42 17 10 02 ?? ?? Environics 26/05/2004 29 38 21 11 ?? ?? ?? SES 26/05/2004 28 41 18 11 03 ?? ?? Compas 22/05/2004 31 39 17 11 ?? ?? ??

In the real world, does the Governor-General have any leeway, or does she do Martin's blessing, seeing as the Liberals appointed her to her position? Mind you, I am not so sure Adrienne and Paul are buddy-buddy. For example, if Martin continues as PM after June 28th, and then gets defeated in a vote, can he not request the GG to dissolve Parliament, and force another election?

Greg.....thanks. I couldn't agree with you. I was going to start another thread saying how much better things are now, here at Mapleleafweb. Now we have a more balanced approach, getting opinions from across the political spectrum, rather than the basically one-sided forum it appeared to be when I first started posting. Quite frankly, concerning the person who started this thread, I now neither read nor respond to his posts.

Ontario Company Date-----------CO LI ND GR OT UN Ipsos-Reid 15/06/2004 36 34 22 EKOS 11/06/2004 38 34 21 ?? ?? ?? Leger Marketing 09/06/2004 36 35 24 ?? 05 00 SES CPAC 08/06/2004 43 33 22 03 ?? 16 Ipsos-Reid 04/06/2004 35 32 23 ?? Leger Marketing 02/06/2004 37 39 18 05 SES CPAC 01/06/2004 32 39 25 03 ?? 20 Ipsos-Reid 31/05/2004 36 36 21 EKOS 28/05/2004 35 40 22 Environics 26/05/2004 29 46 22

Assuming there is no majority, chances are Paul Martin will try to continue governing. Would any party realistically try and force another election right away? I am not so sure they would. If they did, would they not incure the wrath of the Canadian voter for not giving the minority government a chance to function?

Harper platform promises sweeping change I am sure there is some support for these ideas in Canada. How much support, that I don't know. But is is incombent on all parties to state clearly what they represent and what their plans are. Then Canadians can make an educated decision on June 28th.

Slavik44.......my quote is from the Ipsos-Reid website. Where is your from?

There's something Green wafting through the air Saanich-Gulf Islands (CA 6,533) xGary Lunn CA 25,402 Karen Knott LIB 18,994 Don Page PC 6,024 Pat O'Neill NDP 5,716 Wally Du Temple GRN 3,243 Kathleen Lapeyrouse NL 218 Dan Moreau IND 122 Charley Stimac COM 86

Women are much less supportive of the Conservatives than men. Compare the Conservative spread to the other major parties. It has nothing to do with media spin. What is causing this serious gender gap? Federal Election Voting Patterns

Is Harper's opposition to Kyoto part of the reason less women than men support him? Des femmes s'unissent pour dénoncer les positions de Stephen Harper

Men support the Harper Conservatives in much higher numbers than women. What is it that makes women afraid of the Conservatives? Is it the war in Iraq? Is it Star Wars? It is about abortion rights for women? Is it about taxation issues? Is it about poverty? Is it about the less priviledged? What is it anyway that is keeping women away from the Conservatives?

Why do you feel so threated by that statement? What is the Bloc's objective? Think about it.

Actually the Bloc want Harper to do well because they feel this will give them their best shot at independence.

Other Party Leaders Protest Liberal Attack Ads Why would Gilles Duceppe be outraged about Liberal attack ads against the Conservatives?

Willy.....you are correct. And I am not inferring anything either about anyone or any company. It's just that there has been for example a rogue poll, within the past week or so, everybody has pretty much acknowleged it (you know that 19/20 times accurate stuff), so just wondering about how mistakes are made. Maybe these polls are not as accurate as we like to think they are. Especially when they go down for the team you are rooting for, that's for sure.

Slavik44.....thanks for posting that article about Angus Reid's comments. I guess polling companies are just like any other industry, or grouping, where you have the good, the bad, and the ugly. I would imagine it might be quite tempting to rig the polls, especially if the price is right. I mean, whose to know, eh?

There is a paper in the Windsor area called the Windsor Star that is going around stating that there is this huge surge of support, according to their polls, for one particular party. And it is not true CPAC just interviewed some Windsor residents and they say it is a crock. The Windsor residents siad they would like to know the details about the polls, and that the Winsdor Star polls are nonsense, unless they did all their polling on purpose in a certain area. The purpose here is not to dump on the Windsor Star, in particular, but to more question what is really going on with these polling companies. I am beginning to think they might be rigged especially after that rogue poll by Ipsos-Reid. My question is: "Are they all rogue pollls?" In other words: " Are they all rigged?" I am beginning to think they are. And the amazing thing is that the CPAC reporters have not been able to find one supporter for the supposed party that according to the Windsor Star, is surging in the polls. This is getting intriguing.

August1991.....we Canadians tend to muddle through things, don't we? I agree things need to change so we operate more by consensus in this country rather than winner take all, so some groups don't feel so disenfranchised. That's why I would prefer some form of PR and fixed election dates, so we would have more fairness in the system. I have often thought about what you suggest, just two parties, but it seems we are going the other way with now a fifth party, the greens (unless they connect with one of the more established parties) about to appear on the horizon, and maybe even some seats in some future election. My hope would be, at least for this election, is for both the Conservatives and the NDP to each win a few seats in Quebec, and then we can have the Bloc running in Ontario (joke) - did you see that Bloc Quebecois for Ontario voters website? We are definitely a strange country as once again, there is the possibility of the Bloc being the official opposition. Weird. I think if all the participating parties had representation throughout the country, we would get to know each other better, and things might moderate a bit. Fear of the unknown is a huge issue for most people.

Argus....if you get a chance read the Blue-State Nation to the North article as the journalist knows Canada well. A different perspective than yours, perhaps.

Martin will be able to deal with neither. The only hope for a Liberal minority is if the NDP holds the balance of power. Given current polls, that will not be the case.In fact, this means that Martin will not be able to form a survivable minority government even if tries to - and the GG lets him. The BQ will support the Tories, however. And they'll have to at first because there is no way Quebecers will tolerate another election so soon. Bear in mind that the BQ wants independence - although Duceppe will downplay this in the English debate. (On my French forum, every single thread breaks down to that debate.) The BQ believes there is more chance of that if there is an Anglo PM leading a Tory party. As it is, the BQ can almost say they represent French Quebec. The only people releasing seat projections in the press are the party hacks playing their, attempt to manipulate, silly games. Seat projection forecasts are the just the journalist's way of filling in the copy around the ads, and trying to keep the voter's interest, until the big day. Everyone knows with such a close horserace, there is no way pollsters can accurately forecast the seats. But I guess they make it fun for some. Actually the Liberals and the Conservatives will probably be the two parties that will work together after the election, as they have more in common with each other, just like the Bloc Quebecois and the New Democrats are closest to each other. Before it is all over, it appears like we will be looking at a Liberal minority government. I think that is what most Canadians want as well. Good on Duceppe's honesty to put his party's position on abortion out there for all to see. Fortunately we are years away, if ever again, from any more Quebec referendums, so separation is not an issue. JacK Layton and Paul Martin are quite fluent in French, do you think this puts Stephen Harper at a big disadvantage? What's Harper doing today, taking French lessons? Jack being trilingual, English, French, and Cantonese, is a great Canadian role model. Do you know if Jack speaks other languages as well? This is the kind of Canadian image that appeals to me.