Moxie

Bravo and well stated, it seems the black community has become dependant on the government to solve their problems. They need to become a community again, as you stated, their roots and culture should be tought at home not in the classroom. P.S. What exactly is "Black Culture"? Anyone?

Speculation Shirly you jest, remember the six flying Imams who launched a civil suit and counter sued the witness (complaintants). The US passed legislation so this can't happen AGAIN, Radical Islamist are attempting to silence anyone who speaks out on Radical Islam. You side works well with them. I think there is a group of Muslims working together to cower the flying public, they are attempting to De-sensitize the public towards suspicious behavior using lawsuits and intimidation. WHY? It shall be easier to plan another September 11 if the public is to afraid to report suspicious behavior of know terrorist--Islamic Radicals. Drea could you give me a link to Japanese people taking our Aircraft hostage in the west? How many did they kill? I realise it's painful for the Islamic appeaser to hear this but it was Muslims who attacked the west using planes as a weapon. They are committing barbaric acts in the name of their god globally, we need to be alert and not lulled into this PC nonsense. I have never suggested all Muslims are terrorist wanna bees but god their are an awful lot living in the West that would love to have a chance to hurt us. They hide amongst the moderates and if we don't stop being afraid to discuss Islam and it's history of using violence to spread it's cult we are going to suffer.

Who do you think transports our troops to Afghanistan Higgly? Who gives us air support during fire fights Higgly? Who buys are goods and services Higgly? The US doesn't ask us to kiss her ass, she provides vital services that Canada to be correct services the Liberals cut to pay for "Ad Scam". Without the US our troops would still be in Ottawa. Your disrespect is duly noted, biting off you nose to spite your face is rather funny. Then again you'll be noseless for a lifetime, behold the new hardleftest. They look like pigs.

Honestly the US could crush us in minutes, our Army is in Afghanistan our Navy is useless unless it's "Soup Call" and they run like hogs to the pit. Christ they can't moar a warship without hitting the dock, look out US we are coming for your "Docks". Our Airforce (thankyou Liberals) is defunct, the newest aircraft the Liberals bought can only fly three hours and then it's back to base for a full inspection of the tail rotar (SAR). What is heavens name shall we defend this Country with? Sea Kings falling out of the air on suicide missions. This hatred of the US by the left is dangerous, without them we would be a third world hellhole if the far left gets to rule. Who's going to buy our goods and protect us? Cuba, snickerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Off topic, please try to stay focused Dear, it's about Religion not a two party system. In Canada we could do very well without the Bloc and the NDP. Higgly you are the only person to post a post that is offensive to those that are Religious, why must you be such a nasty pig? Higgly your remark was and is offensive, I started this debate to discuss the role of religion in our society not to offend people who are deeply religious. I have nothing but respect for religious people, dispite the scorn and ridicule hurled at them on "Forums" they stay true to their faith. I admire that trait, I also admire their morals, values and honour. I can't say the same thing about the far leftards like you. Try and stay on topic and for ONCE post something constructive and not insultive to most of the members here. You can easily unite the moderate right and left, you are as bad as that nutbar Queen thing whatever.

To scared to rebuttal me on a personal level their RedDapinky? I'm a hippy, gasp I have two composters and I buy only used goods. All my furniture is one hundred years old, I drive an echo friendly car. I Rarely mention the big guy (aka Jesus) unless I'm defending the rights of the religious right to have an opinion. You see the leftoids (far leftards and NDP) want complete compliance or else not the Right. I smell Commie feminists, aka, I'll never work a day in my life because I have fibro a madeup desease of the mind, or lack there of. Hark is that: Blather Slather and Lather and Marxism in the 21st century, all five of those forum members seem to be visiting lately please make the pinkos feel welcome. Embrace diversity, shun your whiteness because if you are white you are evilllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

I found them funnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, if you put a Green Hat on Dion he'd look like the Grinch who stole Christmas. So what are his plans, platform and ideas? Nope he's been dithering for months, the Liberals will not be the Official Opposition (Allah willing) after the next election. I can answer that, I can answer that! They have a god given opps wrong analogy, they have the non-god given right to rule. Everyone knows we shall have soldiers on every street and facism will rule Canada under the Cons rule. Oh and that god fella well he'll be preached to us from every Con MP. LOL, Henny Penny anyone?

geoffrey wrote: Canadians have to realise the times of big unions and big manufacturing are likely coming to an end, high dollar or not. We've seen most of the big market players now start up as very nimble organizations, and ones that stick around are the best at preserving that quality. Market conditions and consumer habits change so quickly now that terrible bureaucratic companies like GM and Ford just simply can't keep up. -------------------- Amen that in a nutshell is what's wrong in Canada, the same industries repeatedly breastfeeding off the Feds because Unions demand wages that exceed the skills of the workers. This has to stop, working on an assembly line is not skilled labour, it should pay 12 dollars an hour 30 something. We could compete with China if we turned all our prison inmates into cheap labour. Why not have them doing telemarketing and painting cheap junk. The companies could build the structures beside the jails, pay them a dollar an hour for eight hours of work. They'd learn job skills, earn a few bucks and this might reform some of the lazy idle criminals. This is an entire untapped unskilled work force, I know it's radical but the burden on society to pay for 24 hours of idleness is absurb isn't it?

Smart move, once he's done having an "Inguiry" on Brian he will naturally want to investigate Martins transfer of his company to an offshore account. Mass firing of Canadian deckhands to hire slave labour from a third world country. This is good news indeed, if the Liberals want to waste our taxdollars investigating Lian Brian then they HAVE to accept the PM will investigate the previous PMs secretive goings on.

Wouldn't you be happier in a communist country where the government doles out "State Cheques" once a month. You would be embraced by your like minded comrades, all of society low class poor citizens. It's called Cuba. The fares are cheap in the Winter.

LOL I've been following a few bloqs and the government is really cracking down on "All" religions prior to the Olympics. CBC---government sponsored Liberal Indoctornation, paid for by the taxpayer of course. Will this change?

I came across this article and it left me gobbed smacked. Muslims creating incidents, terrorizing the flying public with unexceptable behavior and then sueing the Airlines. Has political correctness gone to far? Fear of racial profiling is going to cause future deaths unless the courts make it clear these madmen will be held accountable legally. They set up situations, then they scream victim and the left lap it up like koolaide and they sue the victims and the airlines. This is madness. It's a targeted attack to cower the public and the Airlines from identifying Muslim Terrorist. WHY? To ensure further terrorist attacks are successful, that's my opinion. Moderates, I don't think so. Nasty bullies who are getting paid cash visa vie the courts to terrorize the general public. For the record I favour "Racial Profiling" it's an effective tool to ensure the safety of the public. If seven little redheads flew planes into the Twin Towers I would expect to come under heavy scrutiny after Sept 11. I'd welcome it if it ensure the flying safty of the public, yet the Muslims want to silence us by using the courts to prevent society from reporting "Odd Behavior". Link: http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/11/six_arabs_and_a_lawsuit.php Snippet: Based on passenger accounts, the 12 Middle Eastern men on Sun Country Flight 274 appeared to be going out of their way to call attention to their aberrant, in-flight behavior. One passenger explained: “They were so many of them and they were seated all over the plane. They acted like college kids except they were too old. They stood up in unison, kept changing seats, and kept passing cellular phones. They were so disruptive. No one else was being obnoxious like they were. This was totally out-of-line behavior. They were playing musical chairs. The flight attendant kept telling them to sit in their seats. But every time [the flight attendant] was out of eyesight, they were at it again.” During the flight, this passenger debated whether or not to tell the flight attendant further details of the men’s behavior. “But then one of the men pulled out a video camera, a big camcorder, with a big mike. The flight attendant told him to put it away. He did, until she was gone. Then he pulled it back out and started video taping all the passengers on the plane. It was intimidating. Now, there was no chance of me saying anything. These guys had me on tape.” The passenger’s mother, who was also on the plane, described in a separate interview what she witnessed in-flight. “What the men were doing was very intimidating, especially with that video camera. I felt scared. They were loud and boisterous. I thought about saying something to the flight attendant. But we live in Minnesota and are aware of the imam’s lawsuit. It’s a little bit scary, thinking you can get sued for giving information like this.” (At the time of the flight, lawyers for six Muslim clerics, removed from an airline for suspicious behavior, had named airline passengers in their well-publicized, racial profiling suit against U.S Airways, and the Minnesota airport authorities.)

Once I see the word diversity, I usually stop reading. Really it's the new buzz word from the far leftoids, it has replaced multiculturalism. Spit. Redwhatever wrote: Second, I cannot tolerate this bigoted nonsense about Islam being evil, or a "twisted ideology" as you put it. Fundamentalist Islam is one of the most tolerant, humanitarian religions of all, miles ahead of even Christianity. I could careless what you tolerate, Wahhabi Islam is a viscious cult. A female hating religion/cult that won't be happy until women disappear literally under a black sheet. Islam is a religion that dicates that Muslims only donate to "Islamic Charities" you should really do your homework. On a side note could you give me one example of how it's a Humanitarian Religion. Just one in the past century will do, now it must be an example that isn't Islam on Islam let us Infidels feel the "LOVE". On a humorous note here's the Politically Correct Dictionary: http://marginalizedactiondinosaur.net/?p=432 B for bigot:Bigoted - used to describe those who refuse to view all lifestyles, religions, cultures and deviances as equally valid. I can live with being called a "White Bigot", as long as I'm not called a Socialist which is the most offensive thing anyone could call me. Here's another story on the indoctoration of our young by the PC leftards: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=52335 Snippet: Another school has been "teaching" Islam by having students study and learn Muslim prayers and dress as Muslims, and a lawyer who argued a previous dispute over this issue to the U.S. Supreme Court said such methodologies wouldn't "last 10 seconds" if it were Christianity being taught. "Would it have been 'just cultural education' if students were in simulated baptisms, wearing a crucifix, having taken the name of St. John and with praise banners saying 'Praise be to Jesus Christ' on classroom walls?" asked Edward White III, of the Thomas More Law Center. Supt. Don Grotting His comments came after a new protest arose in Nyssa, Ore., where one parent raised objections when the Islamic teachings came to light. The district there, according to Supt. Don Grotting, is teaching a chapter in a history textbook "Journey Across Time" that talks about "how civilization has developed and some of the particular aspects of Islam." Forcing little girls to coverup and convert to Islam, wow these people are barking bloody mad. I'd file a complaint with the Human Rights Tribunal, my complaint would be "Discrimination, females have a fundamental rights of equality" and move on from their. Equality for women isn't a tenant of Islam, in fact we are worth half of a man. Ergo the school forced females to become second class citizens infringing on the right to equality. Absurb. Nope I've read worst articles, the US has gone PC mad. God help the little girls, the sensible shoe wearing feminist are mute as per the norm.

Wow great responses everyone. Riverwind I agree with you regarding spirituality and faith they are here to stay. Iloveacuppajoe wrote: Speaking of chickens and eggs, it's interesting too that as we have become less dependent on extended family and church family for support, we've become more dependent on government. Taxation has supplanted tithing as state welfare has replaced the church. Some might find that a good thing, some...not so much. That's how I perceived how society has advanced, unfortunately the "Handup" has become a lifelong hand OUT. One thing I have noted about religious people, they don't fight to preserve their way of life. When our Christian Culture and Practices have been attacked they were mute. Now Christmas is the "Holiday Season" and our school plays are Festivals instead of Christmas Pagents. How can organized Religion survive when they don't fight for their beliefs and customs? The meek will not inherit the earth. Regarding Catholics, the Pope has stated that we aren't "Christians" we are superior to them because we are Catholic. LOL what nonsense.

Now get with the program Bush, the US is evil and Canada is home to the Blue Berets. You get to shoot at your enemies our peaceniks glorify Peace Keeping whilst our soldiers stand with their hands tied by Peacekeeping ROEs. Genocide takes place and we can do nothing but watch, isn't PeaceKeeping NOBLE. Oh yes Serbia, please enlighten the un-enlightened BC.

Maybe they needed some free Media attention to draw the bored and pissed off public back to their cause? Nothing works better than sabotage, and then acting like the victim.

So sad, to die so young. I won't enter the fray regarding backup or lack of resources that's for the Police to ponder. The scum who killed him will get out in eight years, if he gets life. I don't want the death penalty I just want our Judges to enforce max sentences, if life means 25 years I want him to serve 25years. None of this 1/3 less a day nonsense and shaving years off his sentence for good behavior. I want him to serve life. We had two youths who envaded a home, beat the man half to death, burned him, tortured him, left him hog tied to die. All the bones in his body were broken, they received life sentences. They are up for parole now, they were sentenced in 1998 to life. They were 17 and 18 at the time, so for taking a life so cruely they will receive freedom at the ripe ole age of 26 and 27. WE call that justice??????????????

This is a prime example of the far leftest idiology being forced down "Everyone's" throat. I will provide a couple of links for blogs that broke this story. This isn't diversity training, forcing female students to answer questions on their sexuality is absurb. The program tought students that all European "White" people are racist blah blah. Communism is alive and well and spreading in Univerities these days, why for gawds sake. Socialism and Communism has resulted in the death of millions, only Islam rivels these twisted idiologies. Story: University of Delaware President Patrick Harker is to be commended for pulling the plug on a program that turned the quest for tolerance and understanding upside down. A report from the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education showed that the university's residential life program made a mockery of intellectual freedom in the way it treated students living in its dormitories. Students were subjected to what can only be called intimidation and indoctrination on the issues of race and sexual identity. The foundation is in the business of exposing this kind of intolerance on campuses, so it might be accused of political bias. However, when students came forth to back up the claim, university officials were duty bound to end it. The newly installed president's immediate and forceful action ends what at best can be called a several-year-old, but seriously misguided effort. Students from all backgrounds need to meet and learn about people who are different from themselves. Not only do they need to get along in the dorms, but that's what the world beyond the campus requires. That is not the same as trying to indoctrinate and pressure newly arrived freshmen into accepting reverse racial stereotypes and delving into sexual politics. At UD, students had been subjected to training that equates all white people with racists and urged to reveal their deepest sexual secrets either in public gatherings or to an official. College spokesmen at furst downplayed the matter by claiming some lower-ranking officials went too far or that such meetings were not mandatory. That's not what students said. Students were told the meetings were required. If they didn't show up, there were confrontations with residence officials or e-mails asking where they were. That was not teaching tolerance. It was an abuse of power. Thankfully, it's gone. Link: http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dl...26/1112/OPINION More can be found at this blog: http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/02/hot-...sor-speaks-out/ If you follow the links on the blog you will be able to read what the course tought, if it doesn't scare you put down the greatest works of Carl Marx and get out of the house.

Yep the Islamist, the Taliban and Al Qaeda, have joined forces and they are not a small group to hold in contempt. They are dedicated terrorist looking to form a Wahhabi Islamic State, Pakistan is doomed unless she bombs the shite out of their locations. These men are like cockroaches, we ran them out of Afghanistan and Iraq and they will not stop until they have an Islamic State to control and lord over. Any patch of dirt will do, and they will keep moving around the ME until we squash them like bugs.

LOL I suspect they are so broke they shall have to raid grave yards for campaigners, really who'd want to go door to door representing the Liberal Party of Canada? Double YUCKYYYYYYYYYY.

Quote from a peacnik: It is important and we do give a rat's ass because we are only as good as our lowest act. So to turn your logic around, we are only as good as our lowest act. Hum now let me see the foreign terrorist in Afghanistan behead innocents on TV, they bomb innocents, they use children as human bombs the list is endless. This isn't an issue for you but the RUMOUR of supposed "Torture" gets you all atwitter with empathy. Kinda of twisted idiology there. Great rebuttal Army Guy, it shall be lost on the "Sensitive Growd" tho. They spend so much worrying about the rumours that they are prostrate with grief from empathizing about the "Supposed Torture" of ferial animals that their minds are atwitter with grief. Afghanistan isn't rural Ontario, this is a country that is culturally in the year 700. These males are so backwards that torture is part of their culture, their prison system isn't geared to pander and appease criminals (like Canadas) when someone is incarcerated they aren't even provided food, that's the family's responsibility CULTURALLY. A murderer's family can pay for his release if they have enough BLOOD money. I could blather on but the peaceniks and the emotionally charged leftest will never understand the barbarity that is part of the culture of Afghanistan. I guess when they stated that we shouldn't force "Western Culture" on this Society they LIED and what they really meant was do what we "Tell you to do" then it's empathy and wonderous tolerance Canada has rules and regulations in Place regarding the handing over of Enemy Combatants and Criminal Prisoners, and a no torture clause is in place. If Afghanistan violates that without Canada's knowledge Canada CANNOT be held accountable in the World Courts period. I wish the empathizer could spend a few days with the Taliban and it's followers, specially the females their ethos, to me, is as twisted at the Taliban.They don't shroud their women for modesty they want females to disappear from society.

I still laugh at the liberals assertion there would be "Soldiers on every street" we could only wish. After twelve years of the Liberals sucking up to the criminal element visa vie soft on crime policies we now need soldiers on our streets. Halifax and Dartmouth are war zones, thanks Liberal Party of Canada and their rigid enforcement of min sentencing. We wouldn't want to use those max sentence guidelines, nope they'd rather spend our money pleading for clemency of a killer in the US. LOL the Cons don't need attack ads to hurt the Liberals, the Libs stance on convicted criminals in the US speaks volumns-Murderers deserve our empathy victims get our scorn. The Liberals hold a grudge so severely they revive dead scandles over lian Brian hoping to confuse the public. Nope not confused the Liberal Party of Canada are bitter hateful, and vengeful. Demanding taxpayers fund an inquiry after we already spent billions going after Brian and finding NOTHING. As per the norm they spend our money on private grudges. Petty petty, and really petty. Last but not least more Liberal Hypocrisy, they send our troops to Afghanistan with no clear or defined ROEs on transfering Enemy Combatants and they are screaming at Harper for not fixing their SCREW UP. They are demanding we the taxpayer coddle hardcore terrorist at our expense, will they never tire of their inability to "PLan" anything but their own public buriel? Moxie out to Danny Boy the Pipes the Pipes are calling. I dare to dream: That the Liberals are relagated to the back benches and the NDP become the next opposition party. The liberals really suck at being the official Opposition Party, the NDP would bring a fresh face and a level of integrity to the job.

During Islamofacist week in the US a leaflet was slathered all over campus with hateful things being stated about Muslims and Islam. Well the Dean went after rightwing groups with a vengence, stating swift action would be taken in the form of punishment. Lo and behold it turns out a leftwing bunch of marxist facist paired up with radical Islamist put the flyers up. To date, no update on what their punishment was? Care to guess why? Because the University has no problem with hatred hurled from their leftwing marxist buddies, only hatred hurled from the rightwing nuts. They are desperate to keep the media hype up on "Racism" and Islamofacisim so they manufacture it, and they get away with it tooooooooooooooooooooo. It's sad that this female had to go to such great lenghts to get racists off the campus, no doubt a leftwing nut who slathers over the presense of Jews on campus.

It's not surprising really, Opera opens a school in Africa deems what females are "FIT" to attend said school and then culls the Africian culture out of these children by forcing them to wear western uniforms and teach western style programs. IF she were really interested in these females' future she'd of allowed them to learn and glorify their culture not her Western Black version. These children have been victimized twice, in my opinion.

LOL I have mixed ancestory, thus I can be deemed "Black" but I look exotic white. Would students like me (half breed) be allowed to attend or would our presense offend the "Racially Pure". Utter far left marxist poppycock. Argus, you hit the nail on the head. It's partially a racial/cultural issue not soley an educational issue, the Globe and Rail had a feature editorial piece on single black women raising their children with no male influence in Toronto. They resided in mostly low income to getto communities. In brief these women lamented that the black males weren't interested in being fathers, their interest was soley how many children they could father. Apparently it's the new 'Thang" for gangsta wanna be young blacks. Hold the absent sperm donars/fathers legally accountable for their children, hunt them down and make them get employment that isn't illegal or gang related. These youths are victims of a cultural that has run amok long enough.