Moxie

Was Chretien choking or was it his normal broken Englais? Yes Vimy Ridge is a proud moment for most Canadians. Alas there are the peaceniks and the tree huggers who believe saving Europe and the Jews isn't as important as attaching one's self to a tree screaming save the spruce from the bugssssssssssss. Or selling white poppies to slur the past and present members of the Military. They believe that the White Poppy symbolizes that our troops died for "NOTHING". LOL that's funny.

It seems to me anyone can be a "Terrorist", or placed on a List that calls someone a "Potential" terrorist. The US has gone to far with their paranoia, at the rate they are slapping people on this list no one will be flying in or out of the US. Wait maybe that's the purpose, no one in-- no one out and the US will be safe. Nope then they have to deal with domestic terrorist, well make it look like they are attempting to deal with them. I'm sure the "Diversity" (buzz word for sucking up to Islamist) training that the FBI, Homeland Security and the INS received will keep society safe. NOT.

A Christian sect holes up in a Cave waiting for the end of the world, yikes they have kids living in that cave. A Christian cult runs amok. Where do these nut jobs come from, and why would any sane person follow a leader that's barking mad. Note to self: Stock up on water just in case they are right. Snippet: MOSCOW (Reuters) - At least 30 members of a Russian doomsday cult have barricaded themselves in a remote cave to await the end of the world and are threatening to commit suicide if police intervene, officials and media said Thursday. "They have covered the entrance and refuse to come out and are threatening to blow themselves up," an official in the local prosecutor's office told Reuters by telephone. "They threaten to detonate a gas tank and blow themselves up." The cult members, who include 29 adults and four children, are hidden inside a snow-covered hillside in the Penza region of central Russia. A Penza police spokeswoman said they had moved into the dug-out on November 7. "No one wants to take on the responsibility of provoking them ... because our information is that there are children among them," said the official. They are thought to have taken food and fuel supplies in with them and Russian television pictures from the scene showed smoke or steam coming out of a The rest of the story: http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews....C1-ArticlePage2

The South is stuck in the sixties jbg. My husband was in the Gulf of Mexico doing some work, his co-worker and he went out for lunch one day. The waitress informed my husband's friend that he wasn't welcome, stunned hubby asked why. Because he's black and we don't serve insert the N word. His coworker is from Nigeria, my husband was stunned. He informed her that she could be sued for discrimination, she just laughed. Jebus it's the twenty first century and this kind of garbage is going on. They left but Hubby made sure all the rig pigs new what had transpired, I doubt she has much business anymore-- white or black. Sickening stuff.

Moot to you, but here in NS we are proud of our Black Community and it's roots in our Culture. Unlike Toronto we co-exist living together peacefully. Perhaps Toronto could learn from our Diversity (oh god did I use the D word) and our abilty to intergrate with each other.

Whitedoors wrote: I'd love to hear your argument that liberals are smarter than conservatives. Please feel free to use personal anecdotes. Snicker pass the popcorn merci, this could be amusing. A wise man once said "We are all born a Liberal and we all die a Conservative". I was a hardcore Leftest in my youth but my opinions and ethos changed once I had to start working for a living. Watching one's taxdollars get wasted year after year on Pie in the Sky programs. Social Experiment like Multiculture that backfired badly. Propaganda campaigns to further their agenda (Global Warming and debit and credits, I believe the current one is the new World Order) One can only be that gullable for a short time before the stench of hypocrisy becomes so strong you gag and run into the Conservative's arms-not literally .

:angry: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO we should not keep him here. It's in the Liberals best interest to keep him here so they can keep lamenting on Lian Brian and the scandle that "Isn't" "Wasn't" I'm tired of my taxdollars being wasted to further the Liberal Party's agenda of scandle mongering. Two million wasn't enough, a inquiry is going to cost how much exactly? When does the wasting of our tax dollars stop? How much is enough for the left?

Yep and they do it with a smile and a cheerful hello, I've never met a lazy immigrant. MikeDavid you seem to think immigrants land in Canada commence to the Welfare Office and that's the end of their contribution. Dah no, it's not that easy.

Honestly MikeDavid I'm not sure if you are a socialist dreamer or a hardcore commie. Mike Wrote: Most immigrants and refugees do not pay taxes. What we need to do is have a voter card. The voter card will entitle you to vote. But it would be manditory. Where do you get your stats from? Immigrants pay taxes, as for refugees we usually let them settle in before they start seeking employment. Refugees are usually suffering from PTSS and need a period of time for adjustment. The voter card is already in use, it the big ole paper thing they send you in the mail. So Mike in your version of Canada (where those immigrants and nar-do-wellers refugees can't vote) will we all have chips inserted in our forheads? Will it come with Onstar?

Bravo Sharkman, that is exactly the problem. The left are more concerned with allowing "Cultural Practices" than human rights violation. What amuses me with the left and it's pandering and acceptance of barbaric acts against females is they'd be the first to get stoned in an Islamic Country. Their version of tolerance, particularly in the west, allows Muslim Males to treat women with barbarity in private here in Canada because it's their CULTURE. We will never know if women choose to live as a second class citizen because their "Cultural Rights" are more important that being beaten, subjugated and abused. Regarding FGM yes I've read articles in the Globe and Mail where the feminest lament the cultural suffering of women who can't have their sexual organ hacked off. Yep allowing/forcing little girls to have themselves mutilated is more important than protecting them from suffering at the hands of barbarians. I'll never understand the liberal lefts ethos on human rights, they just don't seem to care yet make themselves appear to CARE very much. Another example of abuse in Saudi Arabia, but hay their foreigners and slave labour why should they matter right? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7093842.stm Snippet: Some domestic workers told Human Rights Watch how they were subjected to forced confinement, food deprivation, physical and verbal abuse, forced labour, and sexual harassment and rape by their employers. "The Gulf countries need to do a lot more to stop abuse of domestic workers," Ms Turner said. "The governments of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the UAE should extend labour laws to domestic workers, ensure their complaints can be heard and reform immigration laws so that workers aren't tied to employers." The rights group has also urged the Sri Lankan government to improve regulation and monitoring of recruitment agents, as well as services for abused workers in consulates abroad. The UAE has dismissed the charges Interestingly enough the UAE employers have been exposed as despot for refusing to pay workers anything over period of years. They used foreign workers to build their new highrise building and kept them vertual slaves. I am beginning to doubt that civility is possible in Islamic Countries, to date they all abuse females and foreign workers.

There is a vast population of Muslims in India, Islam has wreaked havoc on the Hindus with great barbarity and savagery. Here's an article on a Hindu's perspective of Islam: http://www.islam-watch.org/Rizwan_Salim/Wh...id-to-India.htm Snippet: Their minds filled with venom against the idol-worshippers of Hindustan, the Muslims destroyed a large number of ancient Hindu temples. This is a historical fact, mentioned by Muslim chroniclers and others of the time. A number of temples were merely damaged and remained standing. But a large number-not hundreds but many thousands-of the ancient temples were broken into shreds of cracked stone. In the ancient cities of Varanasi and Mathura, Ujjain and Maheshwar, Jwalamukhi and Dwarka, not one temple survives whole and intact from the ancient times. The wrecking of Hindu temples went on from the early years of the 8th century to well past 1700 AD a period of almost 1000 years. Every Muslim ruler in Delhi (or Governor of Provinces) spent most of his time warring against Hindu kings in the north and the south, the east and the west, and almost every Muslim Sultan and his army commanders indulged in largescale destructions of Hindu temples and idols. They also slaughtered a lot of Hindus. It is easy to conclude that virtually every Hindu temple built in the ancient times is a perfect work of art. The evidence of the ferocity with which the Muslim invaders must have struck at the sculptures of gods and goddesses, demons and apsaras, kings and queens, dancers and musicians is frightful. At so many ancient temples of Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh, for example, shattered portions of stone images still lie scattered in the temple courtyards. Considering the fury used on the idols and sculptures, the stone-breaking axe must have been applied to thousands upon thousands of images of hypnotic beauty. Giving proof of the resentment that men belonging to an inferior civilisation feel upon encountering a superior civilisation of individuals with a more refined culture, Islamic invaders from Arabia and western Asia broke and burned everything beautiful they came across in Hindustan. So morally degenerate were the Muslim Sultans that, rather than attract Hindu "infidels" to Islam through force of personal example and exhortation, they just built a number of mosques at the sites of torn down temples

If I were in the Military I wouldn't want the draft brought back into being, if a Peacenik is drafted can you imagine having someone who holds the military in utter contempt watching your BACK in a fire fight. Save the soldiers the burden of shooting cowards in the back, history has thought us pacifist are lousy soldiers. They endanger the soldiers and the missions, however using them in support trades like Admin clerk or Cook would work. They get a fat paycheck to stay stateside but never have to put their lives on the line as per their pacifist ethos. Also Lund BC doesn't have anymore room at the dock for "House Boats", the berths are full from the last batch of rich draftdodgers.

LOL using TV as the medium for a study on the left brain versus the rightwing brain, only in the US. Of course there are differences between those that support the liberal or the Conservatives, I find most people who post straddle the center line of both parties. There is always ample posters that lean hard right or left, I tend to ignore radical LOYAL party followers. They are like members of a bizarre cult, wierdos. I don't watch much TV the History Channel or HGTV, that's it. I'm a classical liberal with Conservative leanings on economics and the spending of public money.

I agree Riverwind, we do need to limit our population growth. We also need to ensure that people who emigrate here are skilled workers. We do not need more taxi drivers. Canada's foundation was built by Immigrants, with the exception of the Natives we are all decendants of Immigrants. MikeDavid perhaps the problems your province is having with immigrants are lax Provincial Laws, Nova Scotia had the grand total of 200 immigrants last year. Not exactly a flood of immigrants is it. Margrace, is it a shortage of workers or a shortage of people who are willing to work in the service sector for crappy pay and hours? There are lots of healthy young males in Nova Scotia that get welfare and sell drugs to retain their lifestyle of "Idleness and Lazyness". If we adapted a policy of not giving "Healthy young men" welfare they would have to get off their arses and work or starve. Or move back home to Momsey's house.

Would you like me to strike you on the left or right side of the head with said Coffee CUP M.Dancer? TV is suppose to be entertainment and doesn't mirror real life at all. Females have an added advange over our male counterparts, the Feminazis use the media to make it appear as if we are still suffering from inequality. It's big busness for the Feminest, an industry that the Feds pay for--it is called SOW. Millions of dollars wasted so a group of elite women can study "Female Issues" that are redundent and Foolish. Let the female academics in Universities study "Women's Issues" visa vie "Women's Studies".

LOL is your assertion that Blacks didn't serve in this regiment? Well sorry to break or burst your bubble, but the majority of Vets from the Black Watch are black in Nova Scotia. Angus the KILT is a dead give away dahhhhhhhhh of the regiments roots. Then again perhaps Africian Immigrants designed the kilt. Try and stay focused this issue isn't about the Scotish, no issue is anymore. AS Dancer stated just because it was a Highland Regiment didn't make those who served this country Scotish. Just the opposite, the second world war had people of all cultures and races fight against Hitler. I believe Alberta had a regiment made up of mostly MEN from Japan. Dancer do you know what I'm talking about? I can't remember the name of the Regiment. Back to Race Based Schools, yep still a really bad idea.

Wow Rue great rebuttal, thankfully in Canada a pedophile is a criminal with a psycologicial disorder. There are no stats for gay men being pedophiles because a consenting adult has same sex with another consenting adult. Pedophiles are preditors that "Rape" children. Apples and oranges. On a side note the Catholic Church now denys Homosexuals acceptance into the Church, ergo equating them with pedophiles but this is nonsense. Pedophiles were, could still be are, a rampart problem in the Church, but none of the offenders were GAY. They wanted children not consenting adults, so why is the church blaming the Gay Community instead of the Church and it's culture of "God Forgives" thus so do we. Why didn't the Church face any criminal charges, they knew for over forty years their priest were raping children yet they remained mute. Why no charges against Rome? Sorry off topic.

Good post Black Dog, I am one of those born after 1960. When I saw a moniker, on a forum, Red Ensign I thought he was a commie. The Maple Leaf is the symbol of Canada, embraced for forty years why would we want to change it. Our ties to England are our past, the Maple leaf is the present. I have no issue with our ties to the Queen but I have no desire to resurrect the dead either. When my husband was in the Military the Maple Leaf Pin was collected world wide by other Militarys. It was and is a great source of pride.

Wonderfully orated Old. Ottawa is not the center of the Universe (well Toronto thinks it is), it's time to share. I see this as an symbol of a Unified Canada, at least Harper thinks we have a CULTURE to share.

LOL thanks Dancer, hot chocolate is now all over my monitor. God those were awful movies, Beyond the Thunderdome was the worst movie ever. I guess the violence will be real, with Hamas and Fatah lobing missles at each other.

I feel the same way, but there is always a but, sadly the Canadian Justice System makes to many mistakes. Killing an innocent will happen, I can't live with that. Well stated Capricorn, I agree. Our judges have to start giving Max sentences, not the min. Our penal system is just that, penal. Punitive Punishment is handed down for crimes against Society. The greater good of Society is suppose to supercede the rights of a criminal. That is not what is happening, when someone who is sentenced to life for first degree murder and gets out in seven years that is not in the best interest of "Society". Society is placed at risk because these people almost always reoffend. I am not an advocate for "Rehabilitation", they are incarcerated for a CRIME. I however have no problem with using them as a cheap labour force. It is not society's job to rehabilitate Criminals, the justice system is based on punitive punishment. We have tried incarceration and rehabilitation for twenty years, it doesn't work. Work them half to death and make them loathe going back to jail not coddle them. Jail birds are board, idle and drugs are rampart in Fed and Prov jails. Our system would work if the bleeding hearts weren't the only voice the Government heard. I don't care if they eat bread and gruel and toil ten hours aday in a blizzard, don't commit a crime if you don't want to do the time. As for the assertion that poverty is a caustation for crime, well that is bogus bleedying heart propaganda. Our prisons are full of lazy nar-do-wellers who want "Instant Gratification" or are career criminals who have no desire to live a legit life. I've read posts that state "Prison is ugly" blah blah, I've been in Federal Prisons (not as an inmate, yet) Provincial Jails, Women's Prisons and Youth Detention Centers. It's not always pleasant but it is by no means unpleasant. Each of the above have a social structure, a subculture if you will. Prisons are just an extension of society, other than personal restrictions they are not that BAD.

They are in the middle of a civil war, the Palestinian People are jobless and surviving on handouts from the West and this is a priority. I'm surpised they'd divert funds from their current program: "Purchase more weapons" to distroy Israel". Hamas and Fatah's policy of weapons before food isn't a good thing but a Media City? Shakes head.

Well stated Wilber, I concur. I would take it one step further, if they are found negligent they should not be allowed to apply or work for the Federal Government for life. No going back to the gravy boat, it's civie street for life.

Quote Geoffrey wrote: The almighty altar of "equality" or "diversity" can have some pretty bad effects when the social engineer goes beyong fairness and delves into the obsessive. Take for example the fairly commonly held misperception that females face more obstacles than to males in society. Amen Sister, I mean brother. Some women today are perpetual victims, it's easy blaming males because it's always accepted as the "Truth". Men per ratio are abused as much as women, but do we have any shelters to give men a safe haven? None that I'm aware of. As a female let me state I loathe the feminazis, despise them in fact. Their agenda is a mystery to me. What is it they want, we are equal in Canada. My father was a hardcore traditional Catholic man, women didn't do this--men don't do that. He was out numbered as a male in a household with six females. His belief system was struck a painful blow, out of necessity he had to teach his daughters to farm, drive tractors, pick the fruit and maintain the animals, bait the gear and steer the boat. I was raised to believe a woman's place was in the home, yet my mother was a working RN who later went back to school to become a CPA. Dad didn't stand a chance, lord knows he tried to mold his daughters as "Traditional Women" alas he failed. I work in a male dominated field, and I've been treated with total respect. Mostly because I do not have an attitude, and I always respect the fact that I can't do some things (lifting and loading, MATH etc.) because I am female. I am weaker because I am female, is this the males faulth? Dah noooooooooo. Young women today appear hard to me, females are becoming more violent. The latest unprovoked swarmings have been female teens who attack with weapons for sport. Sport! I look around me in public and females are wearing their PJ's in public, why is it wrong to look like a lady? Honestly looking nice in public is somehow bad, why? How does this deminish me as a female? If a male whistles at me, he's a pig because I took the time to tart myself up? I don't think so. If I fail at something it is MY fault, but being married helps me shift some blame cough cough to the other half. Interesting topic Geoffry.

MikeDavid wrote: The Blacks IN CANADA (not the US) are just another racially segregated immigrant group in Canada with 'leaders' trying to establish a powr base in or system. That's all they are. Nothing less, nothing more. No different then Muslims, Asians, South Asians, yadda yadda yadda. In Nova Scotia we have the largest African Community in Canada. They came here as part of the Underground Railroad, slaves that were smuggled to saftey and freedom. They settled in Africaville and are as much a part of Nova Scotia history and culture as the Natives and Immigrants. We teach "Black History" for a month every year in this province, the Blacks are a vital part of my provice. If they are segregated it's because they are poor and can't afford to leave their communities, they currently have strong communitys in nine different areas of N.S. They have a proud history in our Military, it was called the Black Watch. Secondly, Asians aren't part of Canadian Culture? Who do you think laid the railway in the Country? Asians, they died expanding and joining Canada as a Country. The oldest China Town is in Victoria. Ding they are Part of Canadian Culture. I do agree with your assertion that they are using this issue to further their Agenda, and yes it's about power. I have no tolerance with government at any level pandering to a minority group, if they want to have "Special" status form a lobby group like other special interest groups. Scriblet wrote: Asian immigrant children seem to do okay, in fact, very well, so maybe it's about the students and their parents taking responsibility for their actions and attitudes towards learning. I concur, this seems to be small group wanting "Special Status" while blaming the system for their failure as responsible parents. This issue makes me angry. So what defines a Black Person? How can it be Africian issue if they are from the Caribian, last time I looked Jamacia isn't in Africa. Will there then be spin off school one for black Africians and another for Black Jamacians? Under the Charter it's illegal to discriminate against a person for their skin color, will we need new legislation (special clause allowing discrimination against all non-blacks) to deal with the non-blacks wanting to attend this school? Is this an attempt by the school board to muddy the waters and stack the statistics? At a all black school the students' scores would rise because they will be competing with the weakest link in the food chain. Not much competing for marks if they are a school full of weak students. I honestly don't know how this can be done legally, anyone got any ideas? I wonder if this issue is a red herring, faith based Schools were not what the public wanted. Is this a way to slide around the "Faith Based Schools" issue and make it about Race? Will the Arabs want Arab only schools next? Indian Schools only? This is a very slippery slope.