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Moonlight Graham replied to WestCanMan's topic in Federal Politics in the United States
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Most of his takes in the video are correct. Ad hominems about your dislike of him is not an argument, it's a logical fallacy, and one which is 2nd from the bottom on the debate pyramid. https://www.yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
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What a terrible take.
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Wrong.
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GOP are homophobic, but not as much as Hamas.
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In a free society people should be free to celebrate gayness if they choose, or free to not celebrate it or voice their disagreement about it.
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Now they can prosecute the W. Bush admin too. Yeah right. I hope he goes to jail, and a lot of other politicians and White House appointees deserve it too. But if you're not in the establishment you just don't get the same protection. We know the Trudeau gov foreign interference investigation will amount to nothing, save some public opinion outrage that gets lost in the next dozen news cycles.
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I've never said that some of their complaints aren't legitimate, that's a strawman. We're here today because most Palestinians, especially their leaders, do not recognize Israel's right to exist. There will be permanent warfare as long as Israel exists. Do you deny this? They had negotiations for the UN Partition Plan, they failed. Camp David failed. Do research about why. The Palestinian governments have never wanted any final 2-state solution, except as a bad faith attempt to gain concessions to get closer to a 1-state solution of Arab control, which is what they really want. Maybe Abbas is different, I don't know. He's also a holocaust denier so who knows. My preference is a 2-state solution. That is not the Arab preference, and at times not the Israel preference but at times Israel have also been ready to make a 2-state solution and make concessions. They conceded Gaza while asking nothing in return, and it's been nothing but a disaster, and driven the Israeli government harder to the right. You give them back all of the West Bank (which Israel should probably do) and we're back to pre-1967 borders, and pre-1967 they were also not satisfied and attacked Israel. The UN Partition Plan gave much more land than the pre-1967 borders, and the Arab leaders rejected it and immediately launched an attack on Israel. What has changed? Every time Arabs launch a major attack on Israel, they end up losing, either many innocent lives or more land. Every single time. We will have peace when Palestinian/Arab leadership stops looking for a military solution, stops attacking Israel and is finally ready for good faith negotiations towards 2 states. And it would take a lot of faith for Israel to trust them on that and make more concessions at this point.
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Do you think the vast majority of Gazans and Palestinians believe in "From the river to the sea..."? This has been their belief since the day Israel was created and they won't stop killing Jews until all of Israel is conquered by Islam again like it was when the successors of Mohamed's caliphate empire conquered Israel shortly after his death and later renamed it "Palestine" and build mosques on top of the rubble of Jewish synagogues.
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You're seriously blaming Canada for the situation and giving Palestinians a free pass? Zionism goes back a lot longer than WWII. Read your history and do your homework. Every 2-state negotiation has failed since 1947 because Palestinian leaders will not accept final borders with Israel because they do not want Israel to exist in any form whatsoever. Their goal is the complete elimination of Israel and they won't EVER stop attacking Israel until this happens. Not in a thousand years.
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Are you comfortable and prepared to import hatred and antisemitism? Bringing in 5000 Gazans will guarantee that 100%. Are you willing to accept the responsibility for supporting that decision? The dancing in the streets of Toronto on Oct 7 and shooting at Israeli schools and firebombing synogogues etc? You can explain why these Jewish families have to live with more of that. All for what? Why can't Arab countries take in 5000? They sure as heck would never take in any Jews.
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Canada screens people for health/disease and past criminal record (according to the government records of their country of origin). For refugees, nothing else than that. Most Gazans are taught in school and from their parents from a young age to hate Jews and Israel, to cheer their deaths and Hamas. There are many Arab neighbours perfectly capable of taking in Gaza refugees. Canada could help refugees escape, provide humanitarian aid, transportation, possibly provide temporary refuge. The number of permanent residents from Gaza that Canada should accept is probably zero, unless there's some method of weeding the good from the bad, which there isn't. Canada should be in the business of eliminating racial and religious hatred from its society, not importing it. If Arab countries couldn't take them in it would be a different situation.
