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No. That's the other 50,000. This 50k died at the hand of priests, nuns and residential school workers who abused, starved and molested them. Many of their bodies are "officially" unaccounted for. However, word has it that the United, Anglican and Catholic Churches have been destroying paper trails ever since the Truth Commission was announced. It was state-sanctioned murder - otherwise defined as genocide.

Do you mean the killing of 50,000 innocent children and hiding their bodies doesn't constitute murder? Mien fuhrer how do you do it?

Heil! What you advocate is against the law. Cultural genocide IS genocide whether you think that assimilation is the answer or gas chambers. What I suggest is that natives should start assimilating non-native Canadians now - to free them of the chains of slavery and the inferior ideology Canadians subscribe to. Maybe they can take children out of your homes, have their way with them and them bury them in unmarked graves? Maybe they should remove children from our homes and put them in foster care miles away from us in some remote northern community where they can be abused further. Maybe when you appeal for mercy they'll give you a ride on the Midnight Express - when it is 40 below? And just for excitement take your shoes and coat and see how long it takes you to walk back to town..... It is no wonder that native people are uprising. The ignorant and archaic thinking that created assimilation policies, apartheid, and Nazism are alive an well in redneck hick-town Canada. I just hope that their recent assertion of rights doesn't turn into a western style Palestine with bombs planted on buses and in crowded shopping malls. At the rate you guys are going, I can't say I would blame them even though I believe that negotiation and peaceful means are the only way things get resolved. But you know....your violent thinking is exactly what will cause such a backlash. One reaps what one sows. God help you. Being as mentally ill as y'all are it would take a miracle to save you.

I see, mien fuhrer. What you are talking about is cultural genocide. It has been tried and failed. So tell us....what is your "final solution"? Gas chambers?

Prove it! You have been flapping you gums about this but never seem to offer any proof. So here's your chance! The SCoC and the Governor General both recognize First Nations sovereignty. That is hardly "political expediency". Last time I checked the SCoC had the last word on the law in Canada - including the interpretation of the Charter. While Canada cannot define the pre-existing sovereignty of various First Nations, the SCoC has at least recognized it. That's enough to tell amateurs like you that your opinion is worth the water you are sitting on.

The removal of children from their homes and communities is more prevalent now than during residential schools. Only now it is under the guise of protecting children under child welfare legislation. In most cases, children are removed because of their impoverish conditions. Further, the United Nations Draft Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples provides: Article 8 1. Indigenous peoples and individuals have the right not to be subjected to forced assimilation or destruction of their culture. 2. States shall provide effective mechanisms for prevention of, and redress for: (a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of their integrity as distinct peoples, or of their cultural values or ethnic identities; ( Any action which has the aim or effect of dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources; © Any form of forced population transfer which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights; (d) Any form of forced assimilation or integration by other cultures or ways of life imposed on them by legislative, administrative or other measures; (e) Any form of propaganda designed to promote or incite racial or ethnic discrimination directed against them. Many of the suggestions made by posters in this thread advocate "cultural genocide" against native people. While this draft declaration has not been ratified, Canada, the US and Russia stand opposed. South Africa modeled apartheid on the way Canada treated its indigenous peoples. Segregation, marginalization and racism continue to exist in Canada. As far as native sovereignty goes, both SCoC and the Governor General recognize it.

The SCoC doesn't agree with you. The treatment of aboriginals in Canada is genocide as defined by the UN. It is on-going and persistent, and Indian Act is the authority to continue it. However, the legal duty under treaties, aboriginal right and the fiduciary responsibility of the government cannot be altered without the natives' consent.

Nor can an act of parliament make sovereign people become Canadians against their will. The petition is nothing more than one more attempt at prolonging genocide against aboriginal people.

Certainly you must have been asleep all these years? The Haliburton Cartel. They have carte blanche in the administration.

Actually I believe their greed is based on myth. Many of them have spent years pursuing the "if-you-only-work-just-a-little-harder-and-a-little-longer-and-you-too-can-be-rich" myth and so their disillusionment manifests itself in them becoming greedy and beating down anyone that gets in their way. On the other hand those of us grounded in reality haven't succumbed to the myths and instead challenge the myths and the corporations who promotes them. We all know that 10% of the people in the world hold 90% of the wealth, right? We'll someone pointed out that the reverse is also true and it stinks. 90% of the people have to share less than 10% of the wealth. Sad state it is. Time to hold government accountable to their mandate - redistribute the wealth. Protest and civil disobedience are the only avenues left since those who hold the wealth control the government.

Sure. Fascism is alive and well in Canada. But lets keep the fascist subversive. You wouldn't want the general public to understand that their liberties have been denied. Its obvious that the only rally you have been to is a Conservative Convention, where every one is pre-selected, the speeches are canned and polished and the agenda is fixed to party rule. On the other hand "real" Canadians get out and do something about what they see as unconstitutional, unjust and illegal, by standing up for their right to protest with others who see the same things. The people who attend these protests are well-educated, some leaders in society and many young men and women who haven't given up their ability to think like those of you gave in to a corporation mantra designed to make intellectual eunuchs out of you. They have expended their own time and money to travel to remote places and risk their lives in defending the liberties and rights that people like you take for granted. When physically attacked by police and verbally attacked by politicians and corporatists they wear broad shoulders and thick skin. And then they move on. But you can go back to your house in a gated community, drive your fancy cars to air-conditioned skyscrapers while taking only enough time out to surf the gym and forget that there is a real world out there - one where politicians greedily steal from the public coffers and where the boss is screwing your wife while you are occupied in his bidding. Those of us who care what we leave our children of the next generations will continue to stand up against the creeping fascism of an extreme conservative cadre whose goal isn't to provide good government, or to reduce the burden of the poor but to silence those that might oppose the corporations' control of the government. Watch for more pretests to come. I suspect that you might even be inconvenienced by one since the movement is growing by leaps and bounds.

Montebello, Tyendinaga, Caledonia, Oka, Ipperwash, Gufstasen Lake - these just in Canada. Just enter any of them in a search engine. In each case the police provoked the protesters using violence to incite them. You give the police too much credit. In the first place, inciting protesters using violence allows them to go in, separate them and isolate those more vocal protesters. Secondly and for the most part the majority case, the cops on the lines of these things including SWAT members are a bunch of testosterone-filled adrenaline junkies who see these kinds of things as an opportunity to bash some heads - exactly what they have been trained to do. Training is useless unless it can be occasionally applied under real-life conditions. Many of the cops who volunteer for these events shouldn't be in the force in the first place.

Do you draw that same line when police resort to violence and breaking the law without provocation? You see it is common place for the police to instigate and provoke a reaction by using violent measures against protesters in order to break them away into small groups, isolate them and remove the antagonists. Yet this smacks of human rights violations under the Charter, the police admit to it. Again we must be careful about what the Surete du Quebec are doing with the media, since they are attempting to limit their potential damages after having to admit they had officers planted in the crowd. We also have to be careful about what the protesters might present as propaganda. However, I believe the video of the three officers with one holding a rock and the part where Dave Coles repeatedly demands the one put down the rock citing this was a peaceful demonstration, speaks volumes about the bad behavior of the SQ. I don't buy the SQ explanation that they were trying to find protesters who were not peaceful. They look like they were out to rile someone up IMO.

So you endorse an oligarchy then jbg. It doesn't surprise me.

No one can understand the policies and principles since they change constantly, depending on whether or not the leaders of the party get caught with their hand in the cookie jar. It is the hidden agendas and underhandedness prevalent in Canadian politics that has ruined the system - the institution of government is corrupt IMO and unrecoverable. No amount of education of the electorate will change the way people vote, or the net effect of running government. Policitians and leaders are hand selected by the elite of society and the commoner has no choice but to accept the party decision. Sure it is possible to join party ranks and participate in the process of selection, but it does little good when the majority party decision is controlled by a few party elite. Case in point, Harper is a one-man show, even attempting to silence his members on issues they are responsible for. Equality - and the equality movement - was created to keep the lower class citizens under control. By offering them the illusion of equality, they are less apt to complain about privilege. The same thing can be said for multi-cultural ism as an attempt by the cadre to slot all minorities into one "multi-cultural" group ignoring individual issues and concerns and slapping a one-size-fits-all solution. By treating all minorities as a single entity the cadre silence them and maintain power over them. The poor, minorities and middle-class are treated all the same with the intent of appeasing us through illusion and myth all the while they do things and fill their pockets from the public purse. The only solution to creating a truly democratic society is to stand up to the corruption, revolutionalize and take back the government from the elite. This means throwing out the party rule, opening nominations to every individual community and holding elections based on democratic principles including the ability to impeach politicians. This cannot be reconstructed within the framework of Canadian politics, nor can we expect the elitists to revamp themselves out of power. This must be grassroots, without agendas or personal interest clouding the process.

Voting really has nothing to do with democracy, since our candidates are already pre-chosen for us and our job is to choose between the the guy we like and the guy we don't. Party policy, decisions made in government and laws passed are out of reach for even the 50% that vote. We still have an aristocracy in Canada and instead of moving towards democracy, we allow ourselves to lull into an oligarchy.

In Canadian politics holding a majority of the seats in the house is all that is necessary to run the government without any effective opposition. It doesn`t matter if any party receives a 50% majority (which really is only a 25% plus 1 since four official parties fill the house) because whomever controls the government IS a majority government. Playing with semantics doesn`t make anyone smarter. A Majority IS a Majority Government.

Harper continues to prove that all the political parties in Canada are merely just a degree off from each other. Liberalism is the basic ideology and we see any moves by the Conservatives to use conservatism to steer their ship results in a dip in the polls. So Harper comes back and tries to polish the tarnish off the CPC image and returns to a more liberal approach to governance. I believe that is why he is compelled to silence his Ministers, his cabinet and back-benchers. If it ever gets out that they are really Conseravtives behind the government they will surely be put back where Brian Mulroney left them. And really...Liberalism isn't such a bad thing. We have a valiant attempt at universal health care (a socialist invention converted to a Liberal dominated bureacracy). We have a good post-secondary education system and a number of other bloated Liberal perks still runngin under a Conservative government. I think many people have to get over the idea that Liberalism is bad, when it is the only idealism practiced in government. The question always remains: Can the Conservatives be better liberals than the Liberals or the NDP? And the answer is not better but different, for now and for a change.

I too am "self-governing". However, government is inherently big and intrusive. If government were somehow downsized there would be a push by corporations to sell the services we now obtain through government (and deny those who cannot afford them) and big government would simply be replaced with bigger and more intrusive big corporations. Recently the Innu of Quebec negotiated a deal for self-government within the framework of the Provincial jurisdiction. Not only is this a dangerous move to make Innu less than sovereign but less than municipalities, but the deal also included a corporation that provides services to the Innu in the signatories. IMV this is a dangerous and slippery slope by allowing a corporation a say in the creation of and the management a government. Governments are NOT corporations. They are institutions and the minute that you institutionalize corporations, we stand the risk of losing all democracy.

Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. Albert Einstein

Faith based schools are already in operation in Ontario and many of them receive public funding. The question is should we offer faith-based schools "equal" funding like the Separate School Boards receive?

No. Business do not have a "right" to tell government what to do either. They are not people and have no rights under the charter. While their owners and employees do enjoy Charter rights, the business does not. If you recall the latest increase in retail prices were not because of greed or costs of production. The cost of fuel drove up the transportation costs and force all manufacturers and retailers to increase their prices accordingly. If Flaherty wants business to lower prices hows about he starts by going after the oil companies (who are greedy) and by lowering taxes on gas and oil?

Federal government loses court battle over Canadian Wheat Board OTTAWA (CP) - A court decision has derailed, at least temporarily, the federal government's plan to strip the Canadian Wheat Board of its monopoly on western barley sales. Federal Court Judge Dolores Hansen ruled Tuesday the Tory cabinet overstepped its authority earlier this year when it passed a new regulation to allow farmers to sell their barley independently. "I conclude the new regulation is ultra vires (beyond cabinet's power) and of no force and effect," Hansen wrote. .......... Federal Government loses.....

Sorry dude but fascism is extreme conservatism and a direction where many CPC members would like the party to go.

Wrong again dude. I'm independently wealthy. I just don't subscribe to usury and instead believe that people should earn what they get, not milk some corporation for it.....