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This is a party set up by Joe Hueglin and guess who - David Orchard.... as far as I'm concerned its a deliberate attempt to sabotage the CPC. Anyone not knowing who the CPC candidate is, could make a mistake - which is the intention of course.

Rachel Marsden was a Simon Fraser University competitive swimmer who gained national notoriety by publicly accusing her coach of sexually harrassing her. Later... too late to save the coach's job or reputation, of course... it was revealed that she was actually an obsessive stalker who was fixated on her coach. I don't actually know what the link between Rachel Marsden and Gurmant Grewal is. Perhaps she has left athletics behind and is now stalking MPs. Gallant a loose cannon. We'll undoubtably hear from her after the election. Like it or not, Harper has won (is it too soon to say that?) this election by moderating his position on some social issues, including abortion. If Harper does not stand by the more moderate positions that have contributed greatly to this victory, he will have proven his critics right, the ones who said that the "new moderate Harper" can't be trusted. If Harper does not stand by the more moderate positions he has espoused during this campaign, he would be leading the Conservatives back out into the wilderness of Canadian politics. Harper is a pragmatist and he's accomplished something very important... I can't imagine that he wants to throw it onto the scrap-heap of history just for the sake of appeasing Cheryl Gallant and her corner of the party. -k He and the party are done like dinner if he does reneg on this. However, what if someone, even a liberal puts forwared a private members bill? He can't stop it, and he's always said he'll have free votes, and so has Martin recently. This could be dicy. Thanks for the info. on Rachael Marsden, I did know she had some 'stalking' problems but obviously Norman has some inside info about Harper, Grewal and Rachael. Maybe she goes swimming with Grewal...oooooh

Boy, all I can say is I'm glad we left Scarborough, and none too soon. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Art...ational/Toronto Monday, January 23, 2006 Page A12 It was a bloody weekend in the Greater Toronto Area when a teenager watching a high-school basketball tournament in Scarborough was shot in the stomach and three others at a Mississauga house party were the victims of gunfire. A man was shot in front of his daughter in the area of Don Mills and the 401 Friday evening.

Dang it! Maybe I'll vote NDP too, bigger and better pensions and lower taxes for seniors.... shoot what more could I want

Is that him really, or has it been photoshopped? " Vote Early and vote often " -

He may have to face her and some others down, and as much as I disagree with her sometimes, she and the others have a right to a voice in democracy, its all part of the process, if the people elect her than she has a right to represent them. I don't get it when (liberals in particular) seem to think that no one else has a right to a voice in democracy. Norman: I've no idea what you are talking about re Rachael Marsden, obviously its a non starter and not worth air time, at least in Ontario LOL

At least you tried. Part of the appeal of MLW is the diverse cross section of intelligent opinion, which you both contribute to. Who wants to hear everyone agree with each other? Where's the challenge in that? Thats why I like this board, its diverse, but I do find it odd for such a well run board that the owner tolerates the personal attacks and calling people 'vermin' because they disagree with him. In fact, other than on rabble/babble I've rarely seen such vitriol vented on other posters. At least he doesn't swear, it could be worse I suppose.

So Bubber when Jack or Martin or any number of columnists make statements like "we don't a healthcare system like the American one" they really mean Bush's healthcare system ? When they say we don't want our Supreme Court selected the way the Americans do they really mean Bush selection system. When they say they don't want to lose the Monarchy and become a Republic like the US they're really only anti Bush ? I couldn't disagree with you more - anti americanism in Canada has been around a lot longer the Bush's administration. Thats the usual comeback isn't it, Its only Bush and his policies. Sure - right. I've read comments on some groups calling Americans morons and stupid for voting him in again. I've seen comments such as '90% of Americans are ignorant etc. etc.' Many Canadians seem to think they are superior because we have a 'better health care system', sorry people, but its not just anti Bush, there seems to be a pervasive arrogance and yes, an intense dislike of anything American, from many Canadians. There's an immediate knee jerk rejection of anything American, no matter how good it might be. If they expressed the same sentiments towards any other group they would be labeled racist.

I'm retired so can post whenever I like. I'd fire anyone's butt if I found them posting etc. on company time (lunch hours okay). I'm pretty sure I read an article about the amount of company time wasted on email and surfing.

In a true democracy everybody has the right to debate. I noticed a number of you right wing enthusiasts here on this website have told me to shut up. That doesn't surprise me. My views are not left. They are centered and prop-peace. If I am center, what are you ? Sorry, but there is a small, unwritten rule around here (or so I've noticed) that basically says that when you make a comparison between any current person and Hitler, it's time for you to go. So go. Bye. Bu-bye. Bye now. I did not compare Bush with Hitler. I simply stated that throughout history the US has supported many a fascist regime, both through military aid and economic aid. Including Bush's great grandfather supporting the Hitler regime financially. I do not know the facts surrounding that statement but I have seen it quoted through numerous different sources. There have been many atrocities of war supported by US foreign aid. These are well documented for anybody that cares to read about them.... Columbia, Turkey, Cuba, Korea, Indonesia, Haiti, Guatemala, and Nicaragua to name a few. Which has to do what - with Canadian politics, good governance and the CPC ? Bush's great grandfather might have had some financial dealing with the Hitler regime, but it hardly has anything to do with Canadian politics or the Bush family today.

Just because I'm expressing my views? Is this some sort of "intimidation" for me to shut up? Liberal style? C'mon Shakeyhands....if it bothers you so much, there's always that freedom of choice for you to use. It just amazes me, it really does. So, are you a member of the CPC? Do you volunteer or are you paid? No intimidation intended, I just think you are, are you able to be honest in return? Are you a member of the liberal party? Really, why does it matter who's a member and who isn't? Maybe there are 'paid liberal shills' on here, who knows eh.

I thought it was against the law to release a poll prior to election day. IMHO it should be 2 days before, maybe 3.

The difference in Canada is that we aren't so pressured to be patriotic. We are able to question our government without our neighbours "turning on us" like pod people, fingers pointing "Scrreeeee! a liberal!" Gee, have you heard Paul Martin lately....

Harper doesn't scare me in the least, but uninformed posts and knee jerk anti-Americanism do. I don't support the Iraq war, but neither do I believe it was about oil, if it were, the U.S. would have it secured and pouring into their country free, by now. The U.S. gov't has not gained control over the U.S. media, thats ridiculous, ever read the New York Times, and of course no one has control over M. Moore. Don't forget the democrat (George Soros and others) who fund Moveon.org and finance many other attack sites and ads. Your rhetoric is extreme, Harper and the CPC will no more give the control of our resources than would the NDP. Get real.

I tend to think that too, its almost surreal. The hyper mudslinging from Martin sure gives one pause for thought.

At one time I thought prop. prep was the way to go, now I'm not too sure. I would rather see an elected and equal senate which would counter balance the current voting system.

If you are making statementes based on what Paul Martin says...well ! http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...9/BNStory/Front Paul Martin yesterday accused Conservative Leader Stephen Harper of planning to stack the Supreme Court with politicized judges who would allow a social-conservative agenda drawn from the "extreme right" in the United States. snip Although Mr. Harper has said he would do neither, the Liberal Leader insisted that his opponent's remark that some judges are activist shows that he wants to politicize the courts. Still waiting for a source and link to back up your statements, so far I have seen nothing and have found nothing in their platform to support your statements.

This rise in crime under the Liberals is due to money misspent and a "soft on crime" attitude. But not in gun crimes.

218 reasons not to vote Liberal http://www.torontosun.com/News/Election/20...405861-sun.html 218 reasons NOT to vote for the Liberals By LINDA WILLIAMSON, TORONTO SUN After 12 years, we at the Sun think it's self-evident that the Liberals have to go, and polls show most Canadians agree. But just in case you're still not sure, we've compiled a list of the lowlights of Liberal rule since 1993. There's plenty more where these came from, but we've narrowed it to 218 reasons not to vote Liberal. Take your pick: You really only need one. THIS ELECTION -- WE DID NOT MAKE THIS UP 1 Pre-election spending: $22.2 billion, according to Canadian Taxpayers Federation. 2 Pre-election tax relief: $30 billion -- about $323 per taxpayer; up from May budget total of only $16/year. 3 Attack ads. Smearing Stephen Harper. And our soldiers. Approved by Paul Martin himself. In Canada. 4 "Soldiers" ad pulled in English but French version continues in Quebec. Several Liberals say the ad is appalling. 5 TV journalist Mike Duffy accuses Liberal strategist John Duffy of trying to intimidate him into not discussing the ad. 6 Jan. 9: Martin suddenly vows, mid-debate, to scrap the feds' ability to use the "notwithstanding" clause in Charter cases. Even senior Liberals are shocked. 7 Conservatives accused of planning to "take away a woman's right to choose," despite promises to the contrary. 8 Grits charge Conservatives won't keep promises. Hmm. 9 Courting Toronto votes in the wake of record gun murders, Martin promises to ban handguns -- which have effectively been banned since 1937. 10 Also promises to ban weapons in outer space. 11 PM pledges mandatory minimum sentences for some crimes, despite Justice Minister's assertions they don't work. 12 Promises "heroes" fund for injured firefighters and rescuers -- an idea 57 Grits earlier voted against. 13 Spokesman Scott Reid declares parents would only blow the Tories' child care subsidy on "beer and popcorn." 14 Ontario VP Mike Klander resigns over blog comparing NDP's Olivia Chow to a dog and blasting Jack Layton. 15 Industry Minister David Emerson says NDP Leader Layton has a "boiled dog's head smile." 16 Oakville riding association president quits after telling anti-gun-registry voter to take her "gun-loving ass back to the U.S." 17 Martin blasts Conservative plan to cut GST; in 1993, he co-wrote Red Book promising to get rid of it. 18 Ex-Harvard prof and would-be leader Michael Ignatieff's nomination engineered over protest in Etobicoke-Lakeshore. 19 33% of voters believe Liberals have a "hidden agenda," as opposed to Conservatives (25%), according to Ipsos-Reid. 20 Chinese head tax: Liberals refused to apologize; PM suddenly offers "personal regret" on Chinese-language TV. 21 Separatism: Martin calls this a "referendum election." 22 80% of Quebecers dislike Martin (Strategic Counsel poll). 23 Martin vows to fight Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe on "every street corner" but later refuses to debate one-on-one. 24 Martin criticizes U.S. on Kyoto at climate conference -- even though Canada's emissions record is worse than theirs. 25 When U.S. ambassador points this out, Martin declares he won't be "dictated" to and will "stand up for Canada." 26 Martin stages photo- op with ex-U.S.-prez Bill Clinton. MINORITY MADNESS, SPRING FEVER 2005: 27-37 27 April: Martin pleaded on TV to be allowed to govern until 30 days after Justice John Gomery's final report on AdScam. 28 Grits then announced $23 billion in pre-pre-election spending. 29 May: Opposition days suspended so they can't call non-confidence vote. 30 NDP deal: Backroom deal to buy NDP support forced budget changes -- adding another $4.6 billion in spending. 31 Martin reversed sensible stand on U.S. missile defence. 32 Aid to Darfur boosted in bid to buy support of Independent MP David Kilgour. 33 Promised Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty $5.75 billion to fix "fiscal imbalance" over five years. 34 May 10: Grits lost vote 153-150 calling for them to resign, but refused to do so. 35 Secret health deal proposed to NDP; Layton rejects it. 36 May 17: Belinda Stronach wooed into Liberal caucus -- and cabinet -- just in time to win non-confidence vote. 37 Post-Belinda, Conservative MP Gurmant Grewal revealed tape recordings of PMO staffer Tim Murphy and Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh discussing possible incentives if he crossed the floor. Grits said tapes were doctored. more on line

http://www.conservative.ca/EN/1091/40086 go to the heading PRESS Reynolds asks Elections Canada to investigate Edmonton Centre 21 January 2006 Liberal candidate among hundreds of voters improperly registered in riding OTTAWA – John Reynolds, Conservative MP and National Campaign Co-Chair, today wrote the Commissioner of Canada Elections ( see letter) asking him to launch an investigation into allegations of massive electoral irregularities in the riding of Edmonton Centre. A report in yesterday’s Edmonton Journal revealed that hundreds of voters have been improperly registered in the riding because area businesses were incorrectly listed as home addresses. Edmonton Centre is currently held by Liberal MP Anne McLellan. “In literally hundreds of cases, the ‘residential addresses’ provided for these voters are in reality law firms, medical offices, accounting firms, lingerie stores, karaoke bars, storage facilities, and even government offices,” wrote Mr. Reynolds. “It is even our understanding that eighteen voters are listed as living in a truck stop.” Elections Canada had originally claimed that the voter list had been corrected, but a review of the updated list found that only a few dozen names had been removed. While administrative errors can occur in every riding, no reasonable explanation has been given for why there would have been such a massive number of improper registrations in Edmonton Centre. “While these types of allegations would be deeply troubling in any riding, they are particularly significant on the eve of an election in a riding as closely contested as Edmonton Centre,” added Mr. Reynolds. “As you are undoubtedly aware, the riding of Edmonton Centre was won by just over seven hundred votes in 2004 and by only 11 votes in 1993.” The Edmonton Journal reports that one of the improperly registered voters is Andrew Hladyshevsky, the Liberal candidate in Edmonton Strathcona. When contacted by reporters, Mr. Hladyshevsky confirmed that he knew about the error “for the last couple of weeks” but had not advised Elections Canada nor taken any steps to have his name removed (Edmonton Journal, January 20, 2006). link: http://www.conservative.ca/media/20060106-...er-Reynolds.pdf

I was cruising on rabble the other day (have to take a gravol first). There was a thread were some were advocating violence if the CPC should win. Does anyone see the NDP and Liberal party merging any time soon?

Just as your statements are merely your bias and prejudice. Again, please provide the source and link for where Harper has said he dictatorially appoint those who....etc. In an ideal world, we would have the three separate functions of governance, the legislature (makes laws and policies), the judiciary (resolves disputes by reference to the laws and policies), and the executive (applies laws and policies). Regrettably, we have muddied the waters by investing the judiciary with legislative powers, and our executive (the PMO) also enjoys excessive freedom to dictate policies without reference to Parliament. The NWC is the only leash on the court we have. but it was Paul Martin that was offering to roll back democracy and look for the spin doctors to shape what he said about it. Make no mistake about it, he was saying that courts should be able to turn aside laws made by the members in the House of Commons. Harper did say he sees power as being in principle allocated in a 50-50 division between Parliament and the Supreme Court with an ongoing dialogue betweenthe two bodies - not sure about that one. Sure, both bodies are authorized to make and dismantle laws. But only one body is given the final word and that body is Parliament through the Charter's Notwithstanding Clause that was included for this express purpose. As for the "ongoing dialogue", that is certainly the theory of some people but it has been an utter non-starter in practice, with the Courts imposing their revolutionary views of fundamentals norms of justice plucked out of nowhere in particular and with scant regard or respect for Parliament. Clearly the CPC is the lesser evil of the two parties.. In theory Harper's statement that in England Parliament is supreme and in the U.S. the courts are supreme has quite a lot of merit. The notwithstanding clause has always been seen as a check on the powers of the courts. As Harper expressed it, it is a traditional Canadian compromise between American and English values.

He has??? Wasn't it less than two months ago thatr Harper announced in Vancouver that he would not reintroduce the decriminalization of marijuana legislation favoured by the NDP, BQ, Liberals and two thirds of the Canadian population? In other words, Harper still favours permanent criminal records and jail time for possession of a few grams of marijuana. You don't think this zero tolerance US social policy is extreme? How about Harper's opposition to C-250? Most Canadians I suspect view killing a man merely because he's gay as a hate crime. But not Stephen Harper. He fears that will result in the Bible being banned. Now that's extreme even by religious nut standards. Other than no longer speaking publicly about his extremely conservative social views, what evidence is there that he has changed his position on any of them? As far as I know, killing anyone is a hate crime, and Bill C-250 wasn't partiuclarly about 'killing gays', it was about adding sexual orientation to the list of hate crimes. Opposed by many because it limited freedom of speech and religion. You seem to have a knack for twisting these issues into spurious allegations. And as a matter of opinion, why should killing a gay person be worse than killing a young woman or an elderly vet? Any killing is hateful and deserves the full weight of the law, one person's life should not be held to be less worth than anothers in law. Pot is not an election issue, certainly not a mainstream one and is barely on the election radar. No one is suggesting we use U.S. social policy, there will just not be any new leglisation introduced, in other words the status quo. I would suggest you havn't read the CPC policy or listened to Harper throughout the campaign, or else you would not be making such ill informed statements.

I disagree that a woman should be compelled to take it to term and I've never heard Harper say anything about compelling a woman to do so. I also have to wonder why socialists are so against private clinics of any kind, except publicly funded abortion clinics. I don't like abortion but its not my business what another woman does, although I would like to see limits on late term abortions - (only for the life of the mother.) As far as 'anti-abortionist Harper' I don't consider that to be derogatory at all, Paul Martin and all the other RC members are also anti abortion, but take the same path as Harper - that is, no legislation. If one admires Martin for not putting his personal views first, then by the same token, one should admire Harper for doing the same thing. Funny how it doesn't work both ways though isn't it. http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Election/2006/...404414-sun.html Sat, January 21, 2006 Abortion vote flip-flopMartin says he'll let Grit backbenchers choose freely on issue By STEPHANIE RUBEC, SUN MEDIA ST. JOHN'S -- After championing himself as the protector of women's rights and slamming Stephen Harper for failing to clear up his intentions regarding abortion, Paul Martin says he'll allow backbenchers to vote their conscience on the controversial issue. Who's your daddy now eh!

scriblett.. have you been up to no good? It's a good humourous attack. They didn't damage the actual article so it is no big deal. Just fix the pic and first paragraph and all is good. None the less I'm sure the Liberals here will be livid. I wish... shows to go you though that wikipedia can't really be relied on, at least it shouldn't be your only source of info.l