Ricki Bobbi

So John Baird was up front and didn't try and hide the issue with Elections Canada ... because he wasn't following the Conservatives secret cover up plan? Tin foil hat wearers unite!

geoffrey read what you link to. This only talks about administrative costs. Doesn't deal with the comparative costs of provincial/state health ministries, or more importantly, the actual cost of care. btw, even if these *facts* were taken at face value saturn's claims of 60% higher costs in the US still wouldn't hold water.

The medical society of any province would be very interested to hear about such a case of blatant abuse. If it is real....

Why quote things if you aren't going to read them?

Are you trying to back away from your claims about the costs of the US health care system?

I was waiting for somebody to point out that very obvious fact.

The cost of the US health care system is a basic fact? Sounds like somebody has been caught up in their bluster. Remember when you find yourself in a hole the first rule is QUIT DIGGING.

Argus, good work. Pointing out the falsehoods, fallacies and weakness of the evidence provided by the Harper haters.

Public opinion seems to be running 3 to 1 against your fallacies Saturn. Time to put up or...

Why don't you provide these numbers? Or haven't you learned how to support your fallacies yet?

Ahhh, there is the rub. The only solution to the health care crisis is more money. Hmmm, Paul Martin threw cash at the problem to fix health care for a generation and that lasted what six months? There are creative things that can be done to deal with the issues.

Agreed. A healthcare policy that has some private options is not necessarily U.S.-style. But it is much easier for the left to summon the evil American demon than to actually come up with forward-thinking options that will save our health care system.

Because you say so?

You know this how?

This is a tempest in a teapot. Nothing will come of it. Everything has been dealt with.

A clear effort to circumvent party funding laws? Do explain that. No law was broken. The Conservatives returns weren't finalized. Now they have been. Sad, sad, twisting the facts. Try running on ethics Mr. Dion .... puhlease.

Good point. The election looks to be shaping up as a really fight on the left. Which is all good for the Conservatives. Every step Dion takes to the left to pick up seats means that there is that much more room on his right flank to help build the Conservative majority.

No it wouldn't be. Tax cases take years to settle. That it has been settled within a fiscal year of the filing deadline. That truth is evident in the quality of your posts. Try it if you are ever audited for any reason. Varying interpretations of tax statutes are a valid argument used by Canadians from all walks of life on a daily basis when dealing with the CRA. The matter was dealt with and a resolution achieved within 12 months. No sir that is not stonewalling. Sounds like you have never dealt with Elections Canada before... Guaranteed it cost less than $1 million. If you really think this is *the same BS* as Adscam than you are sadly out of touch. Ahh, if only you had any power in the Liberal Party of Canada. No, this won't be an issue in the next election. Reasonable people comparing this to Adscam would definitely consider Adscam could only come to one conclusion. Adscam was disgusting theft. How many lawyers, never mind average Canadians, really know the Elections Act well to come up with a fair interpretation of this case? Thousands of dollars of taxpayer dollars in manilla envelopes handed to Liberal Party operatives for work never performed v. questions about the way in which party donations were reported to Elections Canada. The Conservative elections Canada issue was resolved within 12 months through the normal channels available to any Canadian citizen. The Liberal corruption went on for years and took an $80 Million judicial inquiry before the Liberals would admit to any wrongdoing. Yup braniac, bring it on. What a great strategist you would make.

There is no accusation that the funds were taxpayer dollars illegallly diverted to the party. Again, fight the next election on this issue. Are you a member of Mensa with such a witty pun? The accounting errors are not fraudulent. The Conservatives dealt with elections Canada and the reporting errors will be rectified. The Liberals stonewalled over Gomery and the inquiry cost taxpayers $80 million. Again, feel free to make this an issue in the next election. That just opens the door to a look at Adscam and all the Liberal corruption. The Liberals win hands down as the more dishonest government.

You could barely set the bar lower than Martin. Yes, he has surpassed all the more recent short-term wonders. The next three on the list are all Conservatives. Mackenzie Bowell, John Abbott and Arthur Meighen. No clue about any of those guys. But at least they actually won elections. *cough* *cough* Kim Campbell and John Turner.

Peter Lougheed? Ed Broadbent? Frank McKenna?

Partisan? Hmmm... Compare the *wrongdoing*. Harper donated $456 over the legal limit to the party. The Liberals stole $1.14 million of taxpayer money that ended up in the hands of party operatives. Again fight the next election based on ethics and see how well you do! You are comparing the Prime Minister of Canada to a Nazi? How despicable. Or is it a coincidence the example you used happened to be the name of the town the Nazis misappropriated for themselves in the Bavarian Alps? Sad, and pathetic. Scary, scary, scary isn't going to work and if you had the gumption to use such an accusation directly you would be simply patetic instead of a weak-kneed pathetic chicken. What are all these *partonage appointments* to which you refer? I hope it wasn't that pathetic attempt at a hatchet job in Politics Watch. See if there were any credence to your claims you would provide a link, but what are the odds of that... How much it will pain you when we win a majority in the next election. ba ha ha ha ha

So? Man the Conservatives can only hope the Liberals try and use this and try to make the next election about corruption. Conservative corruption = Stephen Harper *donating* $456 too much to the party. Liberal corruption = $1.14 Million of taxpayer money *diverted* to Liberal party operatives. Bring it to the table and we'll let the people decide which is worse.

What a well-informed and valuable contribution to the discussion.

Setting the bar pretty high indeed. Mulroney is a possibility. 413 more days and counting until he passes Martin.... Has it really been almost a year since the end of dithering and corruption in the PMO?