French Patriot

Are believers not a part of the whole world? I am willing to see your quote showing that believers are exempt from that clear statement that says that no one on earth is exempt. God was the first to kill and bring death to earth and he is also the one who puts lies into us and is the father of all liars. Whose name would you put above God's for any attribute when he said he creates all that is evil? Is for heaven. Not here, unless you see earth as heaven the way Gnostic Christian Jesus does. I dealt with that lie in the O.P. Refute what I put or explain why no one can choose life all the time. If you wish to chat, lets do. I do not mind quotes, but I cannot chat with Got question. I want to see how you think and why you promote a genocidal son murdering prick of a God. Not how well you can google. As scriptures say, come and reason. Regards DL

Who has more control of our thinking; God or Satan? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcRXeCzpno I don’t know what God or Satan’s game is, but God giving Satan dominion over our political/physical realm as well as the power to deceive our spiritual/religious realm in us all seems counterintuitive to what a good God would do. It seems like God is giving Satan the advantage, in terms of our ability to think without deception or Satan’s undo interference. Rev12;9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Why did God curse us with Satan and her minions? It cannot be to give us free will as none of us have the free will to never sin. If we did have that, we would have some examples of people who never sinned. On another tangent, scriptures say that God himself put’s lies/deception into his prophets and that he decides who will have faith or not by his doling out grace only to those he has pre-selected and thus denies other the ability to have faith or belief. This biblical contradiction, strangely, refutes all that I put above on Satan. Can Christians clear up this contradiction? Regards DL

Tell that logical position and truth to the ones who believe their lying clergy. Believers should return with a thank you for that truth, --- but of course they wont. Regards DL

I think the intelligentsia have destroyed the imaginary supernatural God belief decades, if not centuries agao, yet religions are still harming us due to the lack of non-believers not recognizing that religions are created to fill our tribal/fellowship needs. Some non-believers and atheists are finally recognizing that they have to create mystery schools or lose their children to the more predatory money hungry religious fraudsters. We will always have God and churches. It is to the non-believers to decide if they want to save their children or lose them to fraudsters. We are tribal by nature and our natures must be appeased. It has begun. Regards DL

Kerfuffle No argument on what you put. I agree that religions have slowed man's moral progress. I have been trying to help kill Christianity and Islam for a decade now. They are shrinking and no longer have decent apologists . The final nail in their foul coffin will have to come from atheists and their atheist churches or from those who come out as more like Gnostic Christians. Christianity used their inquisitions on us out of fear of what we could teach. We shed light on their foul God and so had to die. Christian can no longer just murder the way they used to enjoy. Regards DL

Kerfuffle U C 20/20. I think it a duty for moral people like you and I to try to make the death of Christianity move along as quickly as we can so as to end their ongoing damage to society. I hope you can agree with that, and if an atheist, I hope you support the new atheist churches popping up. Regards DL

Not judge! Seriously, when your bible tells you the wisdom of judging all things? 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. You are told to use the same standard of judgement that you would apply to yourself. Not to not judge. That would be really stupid. How would you know that God was good if you did not judge him? You have judged the genocidal son murderer as good. Right? Regards DL

What does being Catholic have to do with your views? Does a genocidal God set your morals, when Yahweh is shown to have satanic morals? Regards DL

Strange that in the abortion issue, no one speaks of the right of the child to have a loving parent and not one that was forced to have an unwanted child. That and the costs to a decent life for the child that the taxpayer does not want to help contribute to. Regards DL

I am surprised he did not exempt Blacks and Mexicans from his statement. Regards DL

Oops. Regards DL

True to your name. Regards DL

Not too surprising seeing as most immorality these days are being pushed by the vile homophobic and misogynous religions like Christianity and Islam. Regards DL

Are you meditating? Regards DL

The revealed religions like Christianity and Islam, for sure. I do not see the knowledge and wisdom seeking religions as anywhere near as vile. Regards DL

You are not being a realist and are ignoring the stats. Regards DL

You are a real Goddess. Here is how you grow your spirituality. I use the words of the bible and Jesus, but just replace Jesus with any mantra of your choice, as that is all that Jesus is, and meditate. You are not to look for a supernatural God, but for what Jung and Freud called the Mother Complex. It is where your deepest instincts come from and are likely in the right hemisphere of your mind. That is the more Eastern mystic type of thinking and I have had a personal success and can tell you it can work, if you do the work. This sound quite religious but ignore that and seek your Mother Complex. If you look up that term, do not work it into Freud's Oedipus Complex. It does not apply. Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded Regards DL

I will thank you for the nothing you gave other than deflections and showing you cannot back what you say and are childish enough to blame me for your inadequacies. Ok. Thanks for showing us your character. Regards DL

You are likely correct. That is why we should not take any of the bible literally. Care to tell us if you see the bible and other religions doing/teaching what the O.P. suggests? Are Gods to rule us or are we to rule over them? Regards DL

You likely cannot name them. You cannot be thinking of the homophobic and misogynous religions like Christianity and Islam. Regards DL

How do you see our collective moral and ethical cup? Half full or overflowing with goodness? Not to be a bean counter that ignores the evil that is still with us, but if I look strictly at the statistics for what I call the evil markers, crime, death by violence including war, poverty, poor health and education; I see them all at the best levels we have ever enjoyed. This is in spite of the few places where the stats are backsliding, which ironically includes the U.S., a Christian nation; whose education level is going down, along with its moral sense. I will let you find whatever stats you might be interested in and will only offer the stats spoken of, at the end of this link. Richard Dawkins - Sex, Death and the Meaning of Life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLulcfyqrc0 I see our cup running over in spite of the vile and immoral mainstream religions that we are maintaining, for God only knows why. We can thank all the gods that the religious are not walking their talk and are following more moral ways. How do you see our collective moral and ethical cup? Half full; or overflowing with goodness? Regards DL

Have you leaned what Jesus and your bible teaches? The Bible teaches one to start a spiritual journey from the bottom, i.e. from a stage where he must consider himself as a born sinner and starts his journey upwards from there. One reaches the second stage when he realises that he is the son and God is his father. The final realisation is when he realises that he and the Father are one. This is similar to the spiritual journey of a Hindu who starts his journey from the Dwait stage, where he thinks himself and God to be two distinct entities, graduates to Vishishta Adwait, a stage where he thinks himself a fragment/fraction of Him and finally reached to the Adwait stage where he merges himself with that infinite consciousness. Stevan Davies. The savior is not a celestial being brought to earth; the savior is a capacity of the mind, and the savior’s journey from above is actually one’s own journey from within. John Lennon. It seems to me that the only true Christians were the Gnostics, who believed in self-knowledge, I.E. becoming Gods themselves, reaching the Christ within, the light is the truth. Turn on the light. All the better to see you my dear. John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. I think Jesus hated the idol worshipers of the traditional supernatural based religions and wanted to put us on a better and more naturalistic Gnostic Christian path of seeking knowledge and wisdom through Gnosis; that being a deeper knowledge of the self and others. Do you agree? Regards DL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY&feature=youtu.be

The language God uses is whatever the listener understand. God is within each of us. Not a supernatural one but the only one anyone can ever know. Here is a presentation of how Gnostic Christians see reality. I wrote this to refute the false notion that Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality that the inquisitors propagated to justify their many murders of my religions originators. It shows that Christians should actually hate matter and not Gnostic Christians. The Christian reality. 1 John 2:15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. Gen 3; 17 Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life. ----------- The Gnostic Christian reality. Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]" "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you. [Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty." As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do. Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world? Candide. "It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.” That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle. Regards DL

I am all in for some of what you put, but to look to immoral religions, like our mainsteam ones for moral guidance is like asking Satan to guide us. If you are living by the Golden Rule, you will condemn and fight against the mainstream religions. Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways. Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations. Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality. https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these. Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these. Regards DL

So you do not believe that God cannot die. Strange when he is said to be eternal. Ok. Why call the nailed guy God then? He was not special if he can die like the rest of us and never return. Regards DL