French Patriot

That other is an uncomfortable truth to some but ok. To your point. That would be the uneducated Christian. An educated Christian would remind you that they do not believe that way as the sing of Adam's sin as a happy fault and necessary to God's plan. Sin is good when you think of it as missing the mark. That fits the Jewish view of Eden who see us showing Original Virtue. I have links but they kind of slide into what I put on the Gnostic view of reality above. As to Yahweh, all moral people will condemn him to hell, if it existed.

We may have lost each other as I am perplexed by your reply. Did you recognize that, given our history, the Earth and all on it cannot be better than what is now? Even loony fundamentals in both right and left camps?

Yes to your first and no to your last. From my P.O.V., scientifically speaking, we never left Eden. See if you can kind of agree to the non-supernatural aspects of reality. I know this is TLDR but if youm have time to waste thinking --- Let me speak to the lie of Gnostic Christians hating matter. I wrote this to refute the false notion that Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality that the inquisitors propagated to justify their many murders of my religion’s originators. The Gnostic Christian reality. Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]" "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you. [Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty." As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do. Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world? Candide. "It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.” That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.

Some Jewish terms are poorly known. I.E. Turn the other cheek. It is thought by most to be showing humility, but is in fact an insult to the hitter. What do you mean/define exactly. Something like right wing conservative supernatural belief and left wing vliberal non-supernatural belief? As the wise, the fool, or both?

Not quite Biblical. Not that liars care. Is Satan our divine Mother? Is she responsible for initiating knowledge of reproduction in us? This poorly titled clip gives some of the learned logic of Eden as a coming-of-age yarn. The only fault I see is his thinking Satan to be male when she is obviously female for both reality and elsewhere. Check the Exsultet hymn to confirm this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpvmbBYtOAk Satan, like Jesus, has been named as a bringer of light in the bible. Should we continue with biblical logic and name Satan divine? Remembering the duality always shown in scriptures, ----- Is Satan the Yin to Jesus as Yang? I know God knows to venerate life, and knows that Satan is the key that opens that door. I will answer for her in a way that will have you name her divine and do as scriptures bid you do. Recognize the Jewish concept of Original Virtue as coming out of Eden. Recognize the twist in language and interpretations, as Christians sing that sin is a happy fault and necessary to God and nature. Opposite word, original sin, and original virtue, saying the same thing. All initiated by the bringer of light, Satan.

I think your last is wrong except for the womb and other reproductive items. I admit to not have checked for a while and DNA scissoring might make things a whole new ball game. Asking potential and future religious parents --- to be ready to hate their children should they be LGBTQ+,. --- is what will bring sanity or death to the worst religions. Praise God. Oh wait, this is all the work of people who are more moral that the genocidal one who is creating all these LGBTQ+. The religious might wonder why and learn an uncomfortable truth. All people are man made and women delivered.

I agree that gullibility is a problem. I am gullible enough to believe science. Can you refute this peer reviewed science? Biological sex classification with structural MRI data shows increased misclassification in transgender women | Neuropsychopharmacology (nature.com)

You lie so easily. Typical Christian.

Stupid is as stupid writes.

Christians will not like hearing that. They like to blame that serpent for everything evil, while giving the creator of evil a pass.

Do you believe in a real talking serpent and donkey?

Gaétan For your files on early need for money/gift. Early medieval money mystery solved (phys.org)

Gifts of different value sounds exactly like the bills coming out of my wallet. You are not changing anything. All you are doing is changing the nomenclature. Show how you would end poverty when the poor have no gifts to trade and then you will have my ear. Changing your name would not make your idea sound so stop trying to substitute the word gift for money.

I agree. Evil Christians will not change their evil anti LGBTQ+ tune. Note the closing churches where people prefer to love all their children and not just the church approved type. After all, even the LGBTQ+ are created in God's LGBTQ+ image. Right?

I agree that the U.S. must be saved by the pulpit. Which pulpit is the question. The right wing loony toons with their various supernatural Gods, or the less more astute left who would not support inquisitions and jihads. There is only one decent pulpit available and possible for the U.S. --- Gnostic Christianity. Laisite and secularism are on the way. Gnostic thinking is the best way to meld the religions into it. Even Islam is on board. That tells me that there is no stopping the growth of Gnostic free thinking. 90% of all people are already there and only their tribal/religious labeling hides them. Truth be told, there are almost no real believers, and none at all if you go by the standard set by the Bible.

Yahweh is or was an androgynous God. He created an androgynous Adam who split from Eve. Yahweh IMO split from Satan who he gifted with a power he himself could not overcome. If created for a distinct purpose, why is Yahweh creating LGBTQ+? For believers to hate perhaps? Is creating hate and evil good? The Bible says God creates evil for his pleasure, so it must be good. Right?

Except the truth of man creating all of our Gods, even the immoral ones, like the literalist Yahweh Jesus combo.

Not as unreasonable as a talking serpent and donkey and a seven headed ten horned dragon. Oh, and that a hole with Armageddon, we should all see as the evil entity it is. Right?

Case in point in deflecting from moral issues by a Moral Coward. Let all with eyes see that forever.

Indeed. I see the ancients as doing just that when they set their demographic shape of power to their city states of limited resources. That being a God archetype that was to be nameless and mysterious at the top, followed by a King to look after the bodies, and a priest to look after the spirit. The King created the coin, that money being called "bread" even today, and the well respected Temple Prostitutes to pay a coin for a bushel of grain. The Temple Prostitutes made the economy work by adding value to it. This was done in conjunction with trying to sanctify sex between man and wife while keeping the occasions low so as to reduce child sacrifices in bad tames. We should be as wise today and reset our socio economic demographic pyramid. Strangely, if we did it right, and locked it in that best form, then what our friend proposes on cashless could work. He is missing the step of ridding his proposal of the insecurity and lack of trust that people naturally have to change. Profits for all can be shown by such a system, but there is no way to sell it to the greater population. Their insecurity is overriding common sense.

Yet you ignore what Jesus and the Bible say on the immoral aspects of the messianic concept. On Jesus dying for Christians, from a moral perspective. It takes quite an imagination and ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place. Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card. It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral. Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people. Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin. Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: There is no way that Christians parents would teach their children to use a scapegoat. Good morals and Jesus speak against the messianic concept and bids us pick up our crosses and follow him.

Not true, but better than being a Moral Coward.

You cannot be that forgetful or stupid. I retract that.

You are a liar and do not have a clue about God, and you have run from too many moral issues to be worth anyone's time. Moral Cowards are proof of Christianity's worthlessness and harm to decent thinking.