French Patriot

Give to Caesar. Why? Better law and justice? Do you theists crave God’s law on earth, --- or do you think Jesus was saying that secular law was better? Giving to Caesar includes loyalty and allegiance to the law of the land. Jesus would not recommend an inferior justice system. I guess that the choice is between God’s tyranny, --- and liberty to only follow the law, --- another tyranny, --- which has already negated any notion of freedom for man. Is secular law inferior or superior to the laws of the Gods? Regards DL

That is irrelevant to the issue, but no, I am a Gnostic Christian. Regards DL

IOW, your do not back up or support your delusional supernatural thinking. Run along child. You have yet to put away the things of children. The supernatural. Regards DL

I think it is likely attached to our selfish gene. It is the best way to think to enhance our chances of survival. It would lead to cooperation instead of competition. Regards DL

Your link says that truth can be found in your bible. Do talking serpents and donkeys seem like a truth to you? Regards DL

Can you be spiritual without being religious? Spirituality might be exemplified by this quote. John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. One can practice spirituality alone. One cannot practice religiosity without a group/tribe. Religiosity, I would define roughly, as promoting an organized or local church/temple/tribe etc. Spirituality ignores our tribal instincts. Our religiosity demand that we cater to our tribal/fellowship needs. If you are spiritually minded and have a working moral system that you think is the best, I think that you should want to share it and have others follow it. To share it should have you join a church or religion so as to promote your good thinking. Does a spiritual mind, if truly spiritual, have to join a religion, even if not morally up to your standard, in order to share your view and perhaps help that religion rise up to your better standard of excellence? If you answer yes to that question, is that why spiritually minded atheists and others now forming atheist churches or churches that take a more secular role within society? Regards DL

"who are too old to get adopted should all be put down - that's what you're saying here?" "You may be the type to simply stand by and not involved yourself while a person is being beaten to death" I see that it is pointless to chat with you if that is what you are reading into what I say. Thanks for the chat. Regards DL

Dawkins was not the one giving the stats. Watch it again for the first time or remain willfully ignorant of the facts. Regards DL

They are not your responsibility, so mind your own business. To your last, only an immoral person would suggest eugenics. Regards DL

betsy Have a look at what you would do if you successfully created change in the direction you want. http://bigthink.com/scotty-hendricks/are-right-wing-christian-evangelicals-accidentally-creating-more-religious-nones?utm_source=Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=012cd730be-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_05_07&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_45b26faecc-012cd730be-43589329 As to your reply to my other link above. Look at the stats for the first time as you are not sounding like you even know what they are. Those stats, are the best, per capita that we have ever enjoyed. ========== My bottom line to the ugliness of abortion. I dislike the notion of losing any zygote, embryo or any potential human. That does not give me the right to force women to have children they do not want, especially like in your case, where I will not put my money where my mouth is to insure a decent life for that child. The numbers are reducing themselves on their own as we become more moral, as is indicated by the stats that you either ignored or did not bother learning. Regards DL

You stop and note how much better things are getting, while you wish to reverse the trends of the lowering abortion rates and most other markers for evil. Stats are given at the end of this link that shows how rapidly our morality is moving things to a much better world and stats. Regards DL

You are shirking your duty to the health of other women by promoting ideas, that, if we regressed to what you want, would have them butchered in back room abortions. An STD, your next diversion from Christian responsibilities, is mostly being spread by Christians and not non-Christians, if I can match the numbers to the U.S. jail population which is only about 2% while you Christians are over represented in the 98%. Strange that you only blame the mothers for the pregnancy. I always thought that there were men involved as well. Regards DL

So you would rather deflect than deal with the fact that Christians are shirking their duty while complaining about the many Christians who are seeking abortions and not puting their money where their mouth is. Ok. Regards DL

Not nearly as many as would be saved if those against it put their money where their mouth is. You likely know how poor the stats are, from health to education and likely good outcome that those children will suffer without the cash to raise them properly. If not for the numbers of Christian abortions in Canada and the U.S., the vast majority, were reduced, the numbers would be dropping even faster than they are today. The Pope not preaching against contraceptives might also help. Regards DL

I agree but would say they made up little and plagiarized a lot from the Jews and Chrestian, a good man ideology. They even accepted whole scriptures by just changing the Chrestian designation to Christian. That may be why Gnostic Christians started using other designators for Gnostic mystery schools. That is what I believe so it must be true. ; -) Regards DL

I think that there is a universal morality and that it is basically tied to our selfish gene and natural desire to survive in an evolving world. If you believe in evolution, then you will know that all we basically do all day is either compete or cooperate. Evolution has created us to instinctively know that cooperation is a better survival mechanism than competition that always created a loser. Losing is not a good survival strategy. Here is a clip that shows, I think, the fact that we are hard wired to cooperate and do what we call good, as compared to competition that we would call evil as it creates a loser. This other clip shows That morality as about the same everywhere and is always based on survival. It basically mimics ancient religious thinking while excluding God. http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/ Regards DL

What Canadian do you know who is paranoid? I don't think Canadians are worried about much at all. Why should we. Things are the best they have even been thanks to my Illuminati friends ruling the world. Regards DL

Corruption is everywhere. Ask Mulrony. As to oligarchies, what do you think you live in if not exactly that? Canadian Dream. Regards DL Regards DL

Hence the coalition. I'm sure glad you were not on the negotiation team that formed it. You would have helped it fail. You seem to think that the USSR still exists. Russia is not the USSR. Regards DL

Last I heard, Canada was planning a bunch of joint ventures with most of the countries that circle the pole so I would say that any sovereignty issues would be dealt with quickly by those countries. We are all basically friends and I have not heard of any disputes to date. It seems we are doing things right by cooperating for and not competing for those resources. One of our good partners up there is Russia and I think that if any muscle is needed up there that we can count on them to support us and if we need muscle against them, the rest of our coalition can kick butt hard enough. So far so good in cooperations though. Anyway, Harper will hit us in the wallets hard enough as is if he pushes us furthe into the drug was by clamping down on pot. Tax bump on the way. I guess that the U S need more help in protecting what has been California's largest cash crop for the last 60 odd years. We just have to help kill off a few more Mexicans for the U S. I guess. Strange that the whole world is moving to the left of that issue and Harper is going to the right just to please the U S and keep California puffing and a grinning. Regards DL

Thanks all. Regards DL

http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/ He would have to create his religion as expressed through his high priest/tyrant who would live by the first commandment of God, place no one above me as the enforcer of his King/God's rules and laws while still obeying his King. The larger Roman system would later assume the same system through the Noble Lie. First through the Flavian and later through Constantine. http://www.simchajtv.com/movie-secrets-of-christianity-selling-christianity/ Regards DL

+ 1 I will add these clips to the mix for your consideration. They show who put what in Jesus' mouth and how Christianity has been manipulated. The first which is part of the second speaks to my Gnostic Christian label and the second shows my view of religions overall and the Noble Lie that I think we and our governments should rescind. The third clip speaks to the reason that religions were invented in the first place as it shows why social control was required for city states that had to deal with the reality of finite resources. I see these city states as led by a timocratic king who through the religion that he would have created, also realized that there had to be a tyrannical part to his benevolent duty and created a religion to be just that. Please see next post for link. I see the King/God as having to have the morals shown in the Haigt clip. See nexr post for links.

I KIS for Christians. Regards DL

We lay negligent homicide charges against J Ws who deny what would keep their children alive and who die when they negligently keep blood from their children. Yet God is praise for doing the same thing to Adam and Eve when he negligently let them die by locking away what would keep them alive. The tree of life. Is God guilty of negligent homicide? If so, is he fit to give us laws? Regards DL