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Who fell in Eden? Man or God? Christians see a fall for man in Eden while the Jews see it as where man was elevated. I see it as where, thanks to God’s murder by neglect of Adam and Eve, as where God fell. Adam and Eve would have lived much longer if God had not locked away the tree of life. Common sense from a simple reading of Genesis, where man’s eyes were open, knowing oneself as naked as Gods and developing a moral sense, tells us that it would be seen as good for man and not a fall. They have become as Gods in the knowing of good and evil. I see a clear rise for improved man and a fall for a murdering God. Do you see as the Jews do, Original Virtue, --- or as Christians do, Original Sin, or as I do with God bringing death to earth with Original Murder? Regards DL

The U.S. arms industry profits more from war than most countries and thus should pay more. Regards DL

That is what you are doing and you show how poorly you think. Regards DL

Correct. Yet God can cure instead of kill but always chooses the satanic moral ground and kills instead of cures. I suppose, to you, God torturing King David's baby for 6 days before finally murdering it is ok. Right? You likely do not see that your beliefs have corrupted your moral sense. The S.S. were like you with Hitler. Regards DL

I was not whitewashing any nation including Canada. I was just pointing out that the leader of the free world is not walking it's talk as well as others. If you ever have a chance to watch Sicko, you will see what I mean. Regards DL

There is no argument on your last and yes, the public is allowing corporations and governments way too much leeway. A lot of the negatives you see are from The U.S. and not so much the rest of the West that seems to walk their talk better than Americans. Just the horrendous jail stats for non-whites in the U.S. tell us quite a bit. You might have noted that even though Trump did not sign the last environmental accord, that many mayors and companies in the U.S. are ignoring that stooge and putting environmental programs in place in spite of him. The fact that the next generation seem brighter and more left wing than the current voters, give me hope for the U.S. Regards DL

Evil is indeed subjective, but improvements in the stats, which you do not seem to have looked at, do not objectively nor subjectively lie. Regards DL

U C wrong on two points. One, the vast majority still claim religious affiliation and two, you are ignoring the best stats for evil markers that the world has ever enjoyed. Some of those are spoken of near the end of this link which speaks of our improving morality. Regards DL

U C 20/20. Regards DL

Should the religious world thank the secular world for improving older religious law to the level of excellence we now enjoy? If we grade secular law against theistic laws, I think we will agree that God’s laws are unjust when compared to the laws of most lands. Three cheers for secular world and the world’s intelligentsia. They are the Gnostics of the world and their just laws prove it. Regards DL

Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable? Christian dogma says that Adam and Eve were murdered by neglect when God locked away the tree of life. Eve was deceived by Satan and the talking serpent that God put in Eden. This caused the Original Sin concept that Christianity calls a happy fault and necessary to God’s plan. Was gaining an education and a moral sense, which basically is what gaining knowledge is, justifiable to you? Can you see yourself punishing your children for gaining an education and a moral sense the way God is punishing Adam and Eve to this day? Regards DL

Ah, the justification for Inquisitions. Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways. Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations. Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality. https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Do you agree? You are using bully tactics because you have no moral arguments. Regards DL

Stupid id as stupid does and you believe in the supernatural. Need I say more? Regards DL

More of your lies. You go ahead with your religion, and wonder why your follow a genocidal son murdering prick of a God. Regards DL

I hate idiots. Regards DL

Try your garbage again and we are done. How old are you and start acting your age. Can you still be educated or are you too brain dead? Regards DL

I answered elsewhere. If you are just to tell me what I believe instead of asking, then you had best ignore me as I do not see you as intelligent enough to bother with. I will give you this to go with my other reply but I doubt that you are bright enough to get it. Modern Gnostic Christians name our God "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves. You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I. The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation. In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus. That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. Here is the real way Jesus taught. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural. Regards DL

You do know that spirituality has nothing to do with the sprite world don't you? It is a way of thought. Not the supernatural stupidity you believe in. Regards DL

No. I am a Gnostic Christian. We are esoteric ecumenists and free thinkers. No it is not. My belief system has no supernatural content. If you would have asked, instead of going to a site that represents the same religion that used their Inquisitions on us, while expecting them not to lie about us, you would have gotten more than just the usual Christian lies. Really? Which God in Gen 3 cursed the earth/matter? Your God did. Seems to me that it is Christians, if they believe their bible which most have not even read, you might reverse what you said. Here is our belief and not the lies you have been looking at. I do not expect you to even understand it. Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you. [Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty." As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do. Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be or an ugly and imperfect world? Candide. "It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.” That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle. Regards DL

A thinking mind. Nice. Regards DL

Give to Caesar. Why? Better law and justice? Do you theists crave God’s law on earth, --- or do you think Jesus was saying that secular law was better? Giving to Caesar includes loyalty and allegiance to the law of the land. Jesus would not recommend an inferior justice system. I guess that the choice is between God’s tyranny, --- and liberty to only follow the law, --- another tyranny, --- which has already negated any notion of freedom for man. Is secular law inferior or superior to the laws of the Gods? Regards DL

That is irrelevant to the issue, but no, I am a Gnostic Christian. Regards DL

IOW, your do not back up or support your delusional supernatural thinking. Run along child. You have yet to put away the things of children. The supernatural. Regards DL

I think it is likely attached to our selfish gene. It is the best way to think to enhance our chances of survival. It would lead to cooperation instead of competition. Regards DL

Your link says that truth can be found in your bible. Do talking serpents and donkeys seem like a truth to you? Regards DL