French Patriot

You are basically correct and that is why I focus on harm reduction by trying to have the obtuse look at their homophobic and misogynous religion and reject the genocidal god who created their evil religion. You are right that logic and reason is beyond their thinking, but I hope their corrupted morality can be healed so as to have them stop discrimination against better than half the planet. They run from moral discussions more often than not but just the fact that they know they are running away should be teaching them something. Don't give up. We are not as useless as you think. Sure, our interlocutors may not think, but lurkers do. I get more positive feed back in P M than on the board. Successful or not, it is our duty to try to reduce the abuse that religions pile onto innocent victims. Regards DL

Did sin enter the world through Adam, Satan or Yahweh? Most, as well as scriptures, say that it was through Adam, even though Christians sing that Adam’s sin was a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh’s plan. Given the necessity, Adam, from that, may not be the culpable one and his punishment would be unjust. Satan had already sinned in heaven before being cast into Eden. It can be truthfully said that she was the first sinner on earth if we ignore Yahweh. Further, would you say that Eve sinned, given that Satan or the talking serpent deceived her? That deception would take lies, and that is a sin, and that sin also preceded Adam’s sin. Many do not see what the serpent says as a lie, which complicates things. Was the initial sin, regardless of who did it, a happy fault and necessary to god’s plan like Christians sing in their Exultet hymn? Did Yahweh lie when he told Adam that he would die if he educated himself with the knowledge in the Tree of Knowledge? Why and how does knowledge kill us? If it does, should we keep our children as blind to it as Adam and Eve initially were? The Eden myth can get quite complicated, especially when Christians call it a fall, then say it was necessary so as not to derail Yahweh’s plan. This last being what the Jews wrote into their myth and which they say is not the Original Sin of the Christian interpretation, but more like the Original virtue that the Jews call it. The opposite of what Christianity says, if you ignore their happy fault view. In terms of first sin, I see Yahweh, since sin was necessary to him as the first sinner, followed by Satan, Yahweh’s loyal opposition and teacher of humankind, and then Adam. Why Eve at the end of Genesis 3 has to then be second class to Adam, --- he shall rule over you, --- would seem like Yahweh punishing the wrong party. Thoughts? Regards DL

I recognize that there may be some benefits, socially, at local churches. Many do not have social support systems or friends to get their fellowship needs satisfied. I do not recognize a need for the organized religions. All they are, are lying machines. Your last, I have experienced when debating religion with lying preachers. They end at the same brain dead location as that woman of yours. Regards DL

Like talking serpents and donkeys that still exist. News at 11.00. Only the stupid read myths literally. Regards DL

Yes, I see a red flag because your garbage religion will not allow my wife, or you, stupid, from being first class citizens by continuing to preach their misogynous garbage. You might like to be second class, woman, but real women do not. Regards DL

Job 2;3 has god admitting to being evil and a sinner that can be moved by Satan. What was your point again? Regards DL

Yet religious fools believe what their lying preachers tell them of what no one observed either. That is why the supernatural is for fools. Regards DL

If we have dominion here, then Satan does not, and the temptation of Jesus in the desert was a sham or lie. Christians keep wanting their cake and eat it too. Regards DL

I see you do not see the humor in one frog calling the other a frog. I hope my French friend has better vision. Regards DL

Prove it, --- frog? Regards DL

Many people put tribal affiliations before their moral sense. Many parents know what is going on but keep putting their cash in the collection basket the bastard clergy will use for air fare to move the pedophile priests to new hunting grounds. This is of course after the victim is victimized again by his parents, by turning his rape into a paid for act of prostitution. by accepting a bribe from the church to shut up. All those bastards, other than the victims, should have a big bat shoved into them. No. I have never been a victim. I just know a few too many. Regards DL

I am my highest authority, judge and guide. Who is yours? As a Gnostic Christian, I follow the esoteric teachings of Jesus. atthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. This fits perfectly with the bibles teachings that we are to judge all things and hold to the good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. This is a compulsion to be our own masters instead of just kowtowing to someone else’s opinions. This is also why Christians used their inquisitions on us. Freedom of thought was not allowed by Christianity. A concept and freedom that Christians now seem to promote. Many Christians follow the teachings of, to us, a genocidal and infanticidal demiurge, Yahweh. How Christians can see him as a good god is beyond me and Christians shy away from any apologetics as to why they think such a satanic god is good. I see my judgements as more moral than that immoral demiurge and that is why I have rejected him for Jesus. Do you follow 1 Thessalonians 5:21, or do you let someone else do your judging for you? Regards DL

Can't face reality eh. Oh well. Regards DL

I know it better than you do. It taught me that genocide was wrong, and here you are saying that genocide is good. You might want to get your head out of god's ass and recognize that your blood thirsty thinking is more satanic like than god like. Your first is an outright lie and you lie so easily about things that are just hear say to you. And you would preach to me. Get the log out of your eye. Regards DL

Yes. Note how our friend could not even answer this simple moral question. She would have to destroy her own theology to make substitutional punishment moral. Regards DL

Yes, god should apologise for his sloppy work. Regards DL

There are many things impossible for god. Like showing his genocidal face or reproducing without a human. If you do not see deficiencies in Yahweh, you have a satanic moral sense. If Jesus was human as you say, then your dogma says that he had Original Sin. Why would god punish Jesus for his poor creating powers that seem to make more evil souls than good souls. What is moral about a blood sacrifice that targets the innocent instead of the guilty Regards DL

Interesting read till you went off line. No. I did not say that. Gnostic Christians are Universalists and recognize the perfection of heaven around us that Jesus preached about. The heaven he said you cannot see. Were you born good or were you made to be so by all the people you have interacted with? Your answer should answer to the notion of people being born evil. They are not and all who interacted with those souls share in their pleasure or pain and responsibility for their outcome. Regards DL

And character if I might add. Gnostic Christians have called him a vile demiurge forever. Moral people would, yet Christians adore that prick. Regards DL

You are saying, at least to my ear, that Jews have Gnostic Christian beliefs. I agree as I see Gnostic Christianity as beginning with esoteric Chrestians and Jews before Christianity stole the Jewish god from the Jews and made a decent god into a genocidal prick. Christians stupidly take, fear of god, quite to heart. Regards DL

? Like what? Regards DL

Commies? Like Hitler who was helped by the Vatican to kill Jews. Hitler, Yahweh, Stalin. All genocidal pricks living in hell. Regards DL

God is a cruel prick for taking evil out of people and putting it in poor innocent pigs. Why not just send that evil to hell. The more I learn of god, the bigger a prick he becomes. Regards DL

Guilty as charged. My sympathy for your never having had that pleasure. I wish it was your porky. Regards DL

It was that night you were drunk and busy dancing with a hussy. Took a video but not of what your wife was doing elsewhere. regards DL