French Patriot

Can Yahweh always do what he wills, or can people thwart him? Sc riptures seem conflicted on the answer. They show an all-powerful god whose plan and will cannot be thwarted or derailed, while at the same time indicating that he cannot do his will and that people can derail his plan to save everyone. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. Do you have faith? If you do, you cannot believe in hell. You would not think god a loser by believing he saves us all, as his will indicates. Those scriptures say he has no need of a hell for us. Do you see god as too incompetent to do his will of saving us all? Or do you see god as a universalist god who does his will and saves us all? Regards DL

What does this have to do with god never changing his mind? If he regretted an act, he would just reverse or cure it. Right? Jesus said he came to cure, not kill. Regards DL

You are the one hiding from the moral truth of your immoral views. Your bible says come reason, and here you are, such a pathetic apologist, that all you can do is quote a bible that you cannot even read and interpret correctly. That is why the god you see you see as to incompetent to do his will of saving us all. You try to make god in your image of a pathetic loser who cannot reason without thumping your head off. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. Regards DL

It does indeed. But you show every time you open your mouth that you do not believe he does his will. Likely because you see him as to incompetent to do it, with your belief in that some of us will end in hell, when he wills that no one be lost to him. You do not let him be the jealous god that he is and save us all. God is not the problem, you and most other Christians are. You have no faith or belief in his power. Regards DL

Inquisitions and jihads, just for starters. Homophobia and misogyny, especially in Islam for next. Regards DL

Scriptures have Yahweh saying he never changes his mind and once he says something, it is forever. Even Trinitarians cannot have the 2 heads contradict each other. Regards DL

The ones that Christians ignore? Especially the first one? Regards DL

I will. You to, moral coward. Jesus curses those who cannot do decent apologetics for him and just run away. He said his people would fight for him and you and your ilk just run for the hills. Regards DL

Just a reminder that Christians all break the first commandment as they have based theur religion on Jesus and not on Yahweh. If they can't even do the first commandment ------- Regards DL

So you think a right wing fundamentalist bunch of literalists who do not know how to read scriptures is a good source of morality. They hasve some of the worst porn watching and divorce rates in all of Christiandom for god's sake. Why send us there? Are you not able to do your own apologetics? If you can, lets see you do it on the following that shows how immoral your views are. On Jesus dying for you. It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place. You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card. It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral. You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people. Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin. Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that. Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fibre as Yahweh. Regards DL

You cannot judge god if you judge him as evil. Our friend judged god to be good and that is the only judging allowed. Her way or the highway. Typical Christian double moral standard as witnessed and exemplified in real life with this link. The Christians here have that affliction. Regards DL

I do not expect an answer, but what the hell. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. If His Will, will be done. as you claim, that means that none of us will perish as we will all be saved and know the truth. Right? Regards DL

How many did your god murder? What about his torture of King David's baby? Was that justified? Do you even know the story? Strange how you have a double moral standard that forgives god for doing the same thing that you condemn man for doing. If I had a double moral standard like you or even going the other way, you would think me quite immoral would you not? Regards DL

Now why on earth would you like to get closer to a genocidal moral monster like Yahweh? Is Hitler your next favorite character? Regards DL

Interesting. Have you not judged your god to be good and worthy of your wordhip? If not, why would you follow a bad god? Regards DL

You do not answer my questions so why should I answer yours? Is reciprocity not fair play where you come from? Do mine and I will do yours. Regards DL

Not to mention a corrupted moral sense. Regards DL

Your bible calls you a liar. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. Back at you, given that I have read more of the bible than you have. "I know you're running out of arguments. You should study the scripture before you debate it." Care to debate against my view that a god who kills when he can cure is an evil prick of a god? I did not thing so because you are a moral coward with a corrupted moral sense that forgive god for the same infraction that you condemn for humans. Typical hypocrite, you are. Faith is not wanting to know the truth. Regards DL

I think you will watch and weep and endorse the verdict. I do not expect the Christian moral coward to do so as they have a satanic moral sense. Regards DL

You denied that it was evil for god while saying it is evil for man. You show how big of a hypocrite you are. I have no time for your vile ilk. Regards DL

No. I am showing reality. Since following an ideology is a prerequisite of religion, atheism can be considered a religion, since atheists draws on philosophical ideologies to guide ideas, behaviors, and actions, like that of any religion. That is why atheist churches are called atheist churches. That is not a thinking system or an ideology is it. Atheists Are Sometimes More Religious Than Christians A new study shows how poorly we understand the beliefs of people who identify as atheist, agnostic, or nothing in particular. Americans are deeply religious people—and atheists are no exception. Western Europeans are deeply secular people—and Christians are no exception. These twin statements are generalizations, but they capture the essence of a fascinating finding in a new study about Christian identity in Western Europe. By surveying almost 25,000 people in 15 countries in the region, and comparing the results with data previously gathered in the U.S., the Pew Research Center discovered three things. First, researchers confirmed the widely known fact that, overall, Americans are much more religious than Western Europeans. They gauged religious commitment using standard questions, including “Do you believe in God with absolute certainty?” and “Do you pray daily?” Second, the researchers found that American “nones”—those who identify as atheist, agnostic, or nothing in particular—are more religious than European nones. The notion that religiously unaffiliated people can be religious at all may seem contradictory, but if you disaffiliate from organized religion it does not necessarily mean you’ve sworn off belief in God, say, or prayer. The third finding reported in the study is by far the most striking. As it turns out, “American ‘nones’ are as religious as—or even more religious than—Christians in several European countries, including France, Germany, and the U.K.” “That was a surprise,” Neha Sahgal, the lead researcher on the study, told me. “That’s the comparison that’s fascinating to me.” She highlighted the fact that whereas only 23 percent of European Christians say they believe in God with absolute certainty, 27 percent of American nones say this. America is a country so suffused with faith that religious attributes abound even among the secular. Consider the rise of “atheist churches,” which cater to Americans who have lost faith in supernatural deities but still crave community, enjoy singing with others, and want to think deeply about morality. It’s religion, minus all the God stuff. This is a phenomenon spreading across the country, from the Seattle Atheist Church to the North Texas Church of Freethought. The Oasis Network, which brings together non-believers to sing and learn every Sunday morning, has affiliates in nine U.S. cities. Last month, almost 1,000 people streamed into a [Atheist] church in San Francisco for an unprecedented event billed as “Beyoncé Mass.” Most were people of color and members of the LGBTQ community. Many were secular. They used Queen Bey’s songs, which are replete with religious symbolism, as the basis for a communal celebration—one that had all the trappings of a religious service. That seemed completely fitting to some, including one reverend who said, “Beyoncé is a better theologian than many of the pastors and priests in our church today.” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...theists-religious-european-christians/560936/

The Vatican has been protecting pedophiles forever. They also promoted gay marriage for a time. http://christianity-revealed.com/cr/files/whensamesexmarriagewasachristianrite.html Regards DL

When did I say that? When you endorsed Yahweh's genocide of man where he killed instead of cured. If you are going to be such a hypocrite, forget my request above. Regards DL

To you, god can kill just as easily as he can cure. What makes killing instead of curing, the opposite of what Jesus said he came to do, just? You show an immoral double moral standard and that is immoral. Answer my little question and make your argument or apologetic. Regards DL