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That's a lie. A constucted myth. Immigrants are here becuase they vote for the Liberal party of Canada. That's the only proveable reason that they are here.

Lord.. It's NOT about that. They are not promoting the school for those reasons. They are not US blacks. They are recent immigrant groups like everyone else trying to establish a power base in our public system. The kids aren't asking for this, the parent's aren't asking for this, WE Canadians shurely as hell aren't asking for this. What is happening here is no different then what's going on in Pakistan - a political faction trying to overtake our democracy. NO DIFFERENT.

I disagree with: "3) Ensure that it is the responsibility of the parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, close family friends, elders, what have you, to teach ethnic and cultural roots, not the school system." What they learn at home is not my business (unless it threatens harm on us or infringens on my rights). Culture is shallow. It's fun and games. It's not real in this country. It's not the purpose of living. The Blacks IN CANADA (not the US) are just another racially segregated immigrant group in Canada with 'leaders' trying to establish a powr base in or system. That's all they are. Nothing less, nothing more. No different then Muslims, Asians, South Asians, yadda yadda yadda. Just like how most people on the forum were NIAVE to Musharraf's actions because they didn't 'understand' the 'other side', Canada is also NIAVE to what these people are doing because they don't 'understand' the 'other side' and how you gain power. These people sit in school, volunteer in every commitee, get politically involved, use their race and groups as number backing of people, and then try to get in our system. The CBC gives them air time, they hit the midia, and bam, they are a name in the 'community'. This is how it's done in Africa, Pakistan, and every other hole of a country. One thing these people have in common is they have NEVER paid taxes or worked a day in their lives. They want to get their hands on the public purse where the big money and power is. It's a life goal, but that's how you get there. This is how Ruby Dahla got into power, this is how these 'ethnic leaders' get into their positions. Ok look.. I know a girl in Montreal who is south Asian. She graduated from Media/Law or something along those lines last year. She's a Liberal and pics on her Facebook with Jean Cherest. She attends all the functions. She now has a website. And what is she doing to get her hands on the public purse? She's actually interviewing IMMIGRANT WOMEN accross Canada in an attempt to establish a power base and start a support organization. She's after the public purse. Nothing less, nothing more. She can sugar coat her motives in her mind all she wants. And no, she's never worked a day in her life. She feels a 'greater duty' to Canada and her community and we have to pay for it. This is what's wrong with Canada. You give into this, and over time, we'll be the ones declaring marshall law and firing our judges.

If I had a dollar for everytime I've heard that sort of very conversation I would be rich.

I'm almost forced to listen to the CBC all day at work. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that they are almost the only media organization reporting on this story on a daily basis. They do not let up. They've even had panelists and guests to discuss it. Ultimately, people don't want millions and millions spent on public inquires that prove nothing.

AMEN TO THAT!!!

I don't know why the media, posters, even jbg, doesn't understand this simple concept. And yes, the tribe can be lawyers and elites. It doens't mean they are Osama mountain poeple.

OH HERE WE GO GUYS. WE HAVE A POLTICAL 'PERSON OF INTEREST' POSTING RIGHT HERE ON THE FORUM! I said, it's nothing but smoke and mirrors. That's all it is. SORRY BUDDY, I'M NOT GOING TO HELP YOUR POLITICAL MINORITY TRY TO OUT-THROW YOUR ELECTED GOV'T

Yes exactly. It's a show for the world stage to watch. It's just an organized political effort. The judges were part of the porblem to oust him. He has been democratically elected. He cannot have political troublemakers quietly trying to throw him out of office. End of story.

But don't you see, she is part of the problem. SHE wants power when she has not been elected into office.

Part of the problem is there is what we think a lawyer is, and then what a lawyer is over there. Over there lawyers are primarily civil servants of a greater cast and are political figures. Have you seen some of the footage of the lawyers yelling and screeming on the streets like yahoo's? Do those look like lawyers to you? The suits are just smoke and mirrors again to fool the media. You can even tell by the lack of wear in the fabric that most of these suits seem to never have been warn before. I also noticed eveyrone fresh hair cuts. Again, it's all smoke and mirrors. 3rd world shananagans. I would fall for that kind of hype. The lawyers are being used as pawns to support the judges in ordre to get Musharraf out so they can better their own power structures. There were a dozen people here in Toronto that protested at the pakistani councellet. A dozen. The organizer is part of the Pakistan Muslim League of Canada. This is an Islamic based political party that held power in Pakistan. Here is a cabinet member: http://pakistanmuslimleague.info/beta/lead...pir_zakoori.jpg The people that want Musharraf out are people who feel he is weak to the US and are mainly idealogues who are anti-US and want to take his position of power. The protests even in Pakistan were reports of only 500 people at most. And that's IN pakistan. Remember that THOUSANDS of Pakistani's here in Canada rose up in support of Hezbollah during the protests. Where are they now? What's happening in Pakistan is smoke and mirrors and everyone is believing it. Musharraf would have been thrown out by minority political groups if he didn't call Marshall law so I can't figure out why people would want to take an ideological approach to the topic. Soon those politics will be coming to Canada. Give it another 25 years and you will begin to see the very same things happening here. The immigrants need much more time to get into our legal and court systems and establish their power bases and mess up the voting turn outs.

Bingo. Canada in 2007 and for the future should not be recognizing skin colours and cultures.

I would but they have an anti-streaming policy and I'm right outside the server admins office.

Bingo! It's also to give them more political sway so they can affect our legeslations and political outcomes in oder to benefit themselvs. It's the 3rd world way of doing things and we are ignorant to this as seen by the media responses to Musharraf's actions.

It's not about the kids. It's about groups of politically charged people who are trying to gain a powre structure of the public purse. The people WANTING these institutions will be WORKING and HEADING these instatutions and collectin PAYCHECKS funded from you and I. They will be giving jobs to friends and relatives and then have their own union faction which gives them even more power. Once they get their own political stucture, there is no turning back. The serious problems begin when you give Pakistani's/South Asians their own power structure. You think the blacks will cause problems? You haven't seen anything yet. Go live in a 3rd world country. Any of them. This is how poltics is done. Don't compare their way of doing things with ours. The only solution for all this to only have people come here as workers and then after 8 years they can apply for citizenship and become Canadian. We can't continue to let the worlds trash into Canada IMO.

That is the best radio show in Canada. Too bad I don't get AM reception and am forced to listen to the CBC all day at work. Don't you see though. There are organized, political racial groups using their racial status in an attempt to get their own power structure. They are trying to take over hospitals, school systems, and court system. You let that go long enough, and... well.. suprise suprise we're declaring marshal law and banning outside media. This is what happens when you let too much minority special interest in our power structure.

Yeah I'm hearing all about it on the CBC Ontario right now. I have to say, another 2 points for McGuinty saying this makes him feel personally 'uncomfortable' and he is apposed to it. But I'll tell everyone now, if this passes, this opens the door up every race having their own school which will oficially make us the most racist country in the world. All that's happenning are immigrants are trying to get into our power structure and establish a new power base. They still have not done so. We'll see how this turns out.

You can't say that anymore. Those baries are nothing but themselves. Time to fess up and be men about this.

Aint that the truth. I looked on Amazon.com for a book it was $19. It was $41 at Chapters.ca Actually, I remember posting something about Ikea a while back. Now they claim they have lowered their prices... hmmm.. i wonder if they have. (lol... just heard on CBC 'he celebrated his CHINESEINESS'). No joke. K back on topic. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=251290 That was my post Sep 19 2007, 11:40 AM . Did Ikea really lower prices? http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S39841326 - $399 http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/S39841326 - $599 NO THEY DIDN'T. LIES, LIES, LIES... IN CANADA. AS USUAL

UPDATE. Just to show everyone the smoke and mirrors poltics of Pakistan. They have been reportin on the CBC all morning that there was goign to be a Pakistani protest at the Pakistani councelit in North Toronto. Usually their turn outs are in the thousands. Especially to support Hezbollah. Get this. The CBC reports LIVE with their media and cameras and such. THey have a phone interview with the organizer. There's people yelling in the background. Sounding like about 4 people yelling. No joke. The host notices and says 'Umm.. how many people are actually there?' The Pakistani anti-Bush organizer on the phone says: "Err.. uh.. well we have about 2 dozen people here." Guys. Trust me. TRUST ME. Don't get involved or take seriously anything that comes out of the third world, the media hype, and media spin. THere is a small group of Islamists trying to oust Musharraf and the common Pakistani person may change their mind by by believing media hype. The CBC did this group of '2 dozen' a favor. They fed into their anti-US cause.

It's like you guys have a sikness. An illness. A mental illness.

Wow what a sad, sad, email. It's just so pathetically sad. It's reminicent of an old communist Russia.. i don't know.. it's just sad. They wont allow it due to a self-hating mental illness that many Canadians suffer from. That's the real reason. I can't believe i'm reading a post like this in 2007. It's just so sad. To think.. our own hosptials are not there to serve us, but rather communist/political instututions.

Lets make this simple for you. Do you support these actions in Canada. -Canada has a stable gov't. No war. No problems. -Islamists who feel they are another 'faction' of Canadians, althrough a minority, have heavy political ties and make their way into our political and court system over the years. -Islamists who are anti-US and terrorist sympathizers, then decide that our political leader is being too soft to this cuase. (stephen harper) -Islamists feel they can do a better job and make an effort to throw the current gov't out, DESPITE the fact that this leader was democratically elected. -They setup fake shams and fake court trials and smoke and mirror politics to play poltiical games and get their leader out. -In order to battle this, our priminister calls martial law (after all, that's why it's there) and ousts all these judges in order to prevent this from happening and keep order in the country. -Then the world media goes on this left wing wacko HATE FEST calling our PM a cruel dictor and telling all the people that we should give into these poor, minority poeple who are attempting to over throw our stable gov't. -Despite the fact that the protests are litterally 200-500 people in the street in a country of 30,000. -Other media organations like the 'American CBC' use exiled islamic parties who are anti-Harper to brainwash the masses that everyone hates Harper in Canada. -In order to retain order, Harper then bans the media and begins to arrest the perpetrators. Listen. EVERY DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY HAS HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS. There is going to be a protest now in downtown Toronto of Pakistani's in less than an hour. They are terrorist sympathises, islamists, and people who support terror. If you do not like Musharraf and want radicals to take over the gov't, you are supporting terror and possible Nuclear mayhem. Think about the situation realistically.

It's more complex than that. At any point in a countries development, you must oppress in order for a better end result. Look at China and how succesful they became. They banned religions and forced people to have a standard education. If it wasn't for this strong fist rule, Chinese would be no different than Indians and be a country corrupt and stripe with cultural baggage, wars, 50 religions. etc. They beleive the Daly Lama is a re-carnation of a 5 year old who was blah blah blah... These things hold a country back from succeeding and create problems. Look at how Canada is actually moving backwards. The west has already succeeded and for the most part seperated church from state and is at a point where people can rule. Pakistan is a WHOLE other ball game of religouis and cultural corruption. These judges, lawyers, and other activists are trying to get power that they have not been elected for. They are Islamic groups. Democracy is easily, easily exploitable (as we are discovering in Canada) when small groups unite. This is how things are done over there. Muscharraf knows the games that these people are up to and is acting accordingly. And it's not just me: http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourview/2007/11/st...eclared_in.html Zarmeen Zubair Calgary Well I think what Musharraf did was right. There is no word called Democracy. Everywhere there has been only one man show. Mau Toronto,ON Canadian Conservatives must be absolutely giddy with the TV news of the military cracking down on “activist judges,†pesky lawyers and whiny human rights protesters. You know those "liberals" they have been condemning themselves here for years. Hopefully now they see the danger in their rhetoric and what happens when you vilify a segment of the population for your own gains. chuk Edmtonon Brian says "we don't want democracy, we want obediance" and I have to reluctantly, sadly, agree with him. Canadians have been complacent for too long, though not nearly as much as their neighbours to the South. Victor Toronto Not an action we want to see but what are the alternatives? Beaconsfield Ray The phrase, "...we don't want democracy, we want obediance..." has been bandied about in this post. This is not necessarily contradictory. Democracy entails obedience to democratic principles, where each individual is treated equally, with an equal voice, and equal opportunities. Despite what people may currently think of Pakistan and its government, the current moves, ugly as they may be, are necessary to prevent factions intent on total subjugation from eventually running rough-shod over the populace. Or do you honetsly think that any radical Islamist faction embraces democracy and equality?

I support Musharraf. Their politics are religious and full of smoke, mirrors, and 5 hour long lessons of complexitities. Musharraf knows what these groups are trying to do and he's stopping it. If it wasn't for Musharraf, the Islamists would have been in power long ago. I don't give 2 damsn about Pakistan and their people though. What upsets me, is not that there is marshal law and 'Lawyers' with special interest getting arrested, this human trash will now come over to Canada as refugees and join their families here. Anyone with a claim of arrest or political stripe will now be landing here. English speaking or not, criminal or not, all relatives now having an excuse to send money over and get thier relatives here. Our gov't should be strong like Musharrafs gov't and STOP these refugees from flooding into Canada.