mikedavid00

I'd say quite the contrary. Anyone who has experience with immigrants at the workplace/school know that they are very laid back people and take lots of time off work. There are exceptions.

First, those are ideoligies and not reality. I'm a realist. In the real world people tamper and exploit well intended systems of policy. Second, more ideoligy. It was recently said here on the forum that 42% of Quebec recieve a form of social welfare and benefits. Please explain why they have a right to decide how the money is spent? Everyone in a communist country 'pays their taxes' through work so is that ultimate democracy? Facts are there is a system that needs a balance. We need to look after our own. Not everyone is rich, not everyone is able bodied. People aren't goign to let our own die on the street. Everyone knows we need socialism, but things in Canada have gone way too far these last 30 years to the point that our system is turning 3rd world and becoming hijacked. When you are the benefactor of tax dollars, you should have no right to say how the money is spent becasue it's a conflict of interest. Question: David Suzuki has single handedly made our gov't pass legilation becuase of his lemmings protesting to our gov't. Tax Payers never had a discussion on these issues and had to give into pressure in fear of losing votes. But Mike, David Suzuki pays taxes! He then is a taxpayer that holds clout! Answer: No. Mr. Suzuki heads a non-profit organation and gets his money through donations and public tax dollars. Thus. Mr. Suzuki, his employees would not be eligeable to vote. Also, his followers would most likely not be able to vote because they typically do not fit the description of a tax payer. Question: What about all the University profs, intellectuals and ideologs who are political hacks and well read. Just like in the 3rd world, don't these intellectuals have the right to vote.. just.. cuase... umm.. their smart? Answer: While I do appreciate their interest in politics, it's this special kind of interest (pun) that is bad for us and trying to run a muck in our political system. They may be interested once they are in the cold hard real world and paying taxes. But something tells me they wont be spending our days writing news papers and reading books. Question: I still dont' get it. A civil servant pays income tax on their cheque. How come they aren't allowed to vote. That is very demeaning to people who are working full time and who went to school! Answer: Well, maybe we'll see less people wanting to become civil servants and more outsourcing to private firms in order to avoid this Wow. The more I think about it, the more I convince myself that this is the ultimate policy we should implement and things will just look after themselves.

Look at Pakistan. How would the voting turnout be if the massive military wasn't allowed to vote? Don't you see, ANY civil servant is simply a conflict of interest.

Yet you'll also be the first one to say that we need more women in politics and be for status quo's. Don't you see? You are PART of the problem with our political system. You yourself hijack it. I know it sounds harsh and unfair. But if this was the system we grew up with, we would find it perfectly logical. In this day and age of equality and feminism, if you aren't paying taxes, you should not have a say on how the money is spent. And I did say 60% in the last 5 years meaning that you can still vote on meternaity leave. So why do you demand to have a vote for? I'm just curious. Do you.... WANT something out of the gov't? Do you WANT us to pay for something that might help and benefit you? Do all the Shareholders get to be on the board of directors? No. There's good reason for that.

We can work out the logistics later. I worked at the Department of National Defense as a student and the building was 90% useless. It was a tax sink. Nothing more. The whole building filled with make work projects. I would wager that 60% of our military expendatures goes to the civil service and make work projects. Legal theft. You can go to the military, but you will not be allowed to vote becuase again it's a conflict of interest. I was leaving work when i posted my post so I didn't get to explain WHY it would fix most of our problems. But what political platform do you think would win if everyone voting was a contributing tax payer? The first thing you'd see is gov't workers and unions getting shafted. The $70,000 jobs at the Ontario Power Union to basically work 4 day weeks would be over. The $73,000 a year for Toronto firefighters and their union would be a thing of the past. Realize that most of our taxes in Canada go into other peoples pockets. The $5,000,000,000 a year we spnd on 'culture'? Haha... that's done and over with. The gov't can govern, but they better check with us first or their asses are getting voted out. And no, most immigrants and refs would not be voting becuase their numbers would be severely limited in voting turn out. The CBC wouldn't be ended completely, but it would be drastically downsized and have a new mandate. Medical industry and hosptials would finally come to Canada. Right now what's happening in Pakistan is no different then what's happened here in Canada: a minority of people have corruptly hijacked our political system. We have board members playing God and voting whether they will open a black school. Hold on there. I"M THE FCKING TAX PAYER. THEIR OUR SCHOOLS. WHO GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO PLAY GOD AND DECIDE THESE THINGS. Guyser. You must admit, a board of trustee elites who get paid through you and me should NOT be voting privately if we are going to be living in a society with racially segregated schooling. Atleast Tory gave us an option. The school board just wants to do this behind closed doors with no vote fromo the people who fund all this.

There's been talk about what democracy is about of late. From Pakistan, to our own Liberal convention, both prove that any democratic system is easily exploitable. But some systems are less exploitable than others. People exploit the system, the system does not exploit people. In theory communism works if un- exploited and managed properly. Capitalism works, Anarchy works. They all work if not exploited by special interest. So lets take a look at who exploites these systems. They are typically the usual suspects: they are quite simply people who don't pay taxes. The outcome of the Liberal convention was from a group of poeple who does not pay taxes. The Lawyers and judges in Pakistan are all civil servants more or less and do not pay taxes. Buttro does not pay taxes. Divid Suzuki does not pay taxes. Civil servents do not pay taxes. CBC 'journalists' do not pay taxes. Most immigrants and refugees do not pay taxes. What we need to do is have a voter card. The voter card will entitle you to vote. But it would be manditory. You would be allowed to vote if you met the following: -Have paid taxes for over 60% of the total time within the last 5 years. Thus young people could not vote for the most part. -Are of old age, but are collecting a private pension from a lifetime of work. -Be employed by a private employer. Civil servants of any kind are not allowed to vote due to conflict of interest. And that's it. EVERYONE ELSE IS NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE. There would most likely be around a 55% voting turn out. But the people who supply the money to the gov't should be the only ones having a say on how it's spent. That's all you need to do. Things would drastically change after that. Every problem facing Canada would be solved fairly quickly.

That is simply not true. You are a far left wing nut it sounds like. All full of dreamy idealisms of psycidelic trudeauism. Purse self hatred.

16,000 x 12 = 192,000. That's about our share of immigrants and refugees. Should i mention the 100,000 full times jobs Ontario has lost since 2005? Should I mention that Ontario has seen almost NO full time private sector employment since 2002? What on earth are these poeple doing landing here? What are they doing here? Why are they even here for? Why aren't they landing in Calgary where they are supposedly 'needed'. Ahh... yes.. they are here not to work, but to 'live'. Big difference..

That statement is simply false. Immigrants only have something to offer Canada when an employer is sponsoring them in and proves to our labor board that they could not hire a Canada. Ya know, kind of like how that same policy is active for 99% of all the other countries except for Canada. Immigration kills us slowely. After 20 years you realize that you live in a shoe-box, can't get medical care, and lost your vote. Immigration is a fiscal benefit to other countries becuase those that are being let in are there to work shortages. They then get kicked out when they aren't needed. Some will continue to stay and may even get a green card if they've proven to be good citizen. All we get are people who don't work, can't speak English, are xenephobic, and hold tremendous, tremendous amounts of cultural bagage.

No we don't. We need non skilled workers. That is what our labor market needs right now. We need them to fill jobs in mostly remove parts of the country, not flood into ethnic enclaves and get involved with the Liberal Party of Canada.

There is a great fear on talking about privatizing our currently communist medical system. That's the underlying issue. The food is just a symptom.

593,335 was how many blacks there were in Canada with most from the Carribian. 6 years later the number is probably up at 800k figure when factoring in illegals which puts it in the same ball park..

Again, Go to the third world or hand around 3rd world immigrants and history is the discussion of topics ALL DAY. Mursharraf gives a speach and starts to bring up history lessons. Let the 3rd world make equations and harp on history becuase they don't have jobs adn like to make themselves feel smart. We should teach basics but that's it. I want our kids to be employed and raising the standard of our living, not writing the CBC and newspapers and not paying taxes while they feel they are entitled to the public purse because they are 'well read schollars'. The elderly Sikhs are all over brampton. Walkin down the street. Long white beards. Lost in their thoughts. Pondering history and tribal based politics and socialism. In his mind, he is a schollar. An archritect. He's achieved something. He's a wise man. Work? In his mind he's too intellectual to work. Labor is not for him. Politics and racism is his prime focus. Let the women work at Tim Hortons and he can just bum around his tribal poltical circle. And in my mind? I HAVE TO PAY FOR HIM AND HIS DAMN HEALTHCARE TABS WHICH IS MAKING ME BANKRUPT. HE SHOULD GET A LABOR JOB THAT IS NEEDED OR SHOULDN'T BE HERE AT ALL.

Ah ah ah. I send second gen also. So multiply that 3. Saying that NS has this historic black population basically means nothnig to Canada or NS as a whole and is no different then saying: "Baby boomers are retiring". While both are technically try, the numbers are so small it's a moot statement. Of course, it does make a catchy phrase here on the forum.

our problems are cultural/immigration/political issues in Canada and Europe, not a historic black issue as in the USA. There is a night and day diffrence between the two. (no pun)

Asian are not part of our culture. The majority just 'live' here and they do not identify themselves as Canadians as many polls point out. The day the majority of them identify themselves as 'Canadian' then they will be part of our culture. But then they won't be Asians anymore. (that post was short, but had many deeper meanings if you read it close enough.)

If we had to put every small thing in Canada's history in our classrooms our kids would learn nothing but history. I agree that we should teach Who founded the country, our political system, and major wars. But you have to draw the line one what our school should teach, and what someone should learn on their own. History is actually over rated depending on how you look at it. Sitting around reading about history and trying to make intellectual equations is something that is done in the 3rd world, not in modern economies.

Lol.. Dude. My suburb of Toronto has almost the same population of the whole province of Nova Scotia. There are more Jamaicans and 2nd gens in Canada then the WHOLE POVINCE of Nova Scotia. I don't care if Nova scotia has 5000 african decendants. They are Canadians like us. I don't care what their skin color or history is. If they want to learn it, that's their issue, not ours.

Of course it is a parenting issues. That's the real issue here. We all know that. Yes there are genetic issues when it comes to base intelligence, memory retention, etc.. but that isn't the issue here. The issues with the black kids is that they are hard to handle, miss-behaving, missing class etc. The bad single moms feel the schools are being 'racist' on their kids and don't want to take responsibility for their actions. I should know, my mom is the same sort of garbage parent as their mothers so I understand their issues quite well.

Note to everyone in small town Canada who really don't believe just how many immigrants are here. They think there is some UK/NY style mix of people. No. Whole cities is what i'm talking. Segregated racism like you have never seen.

That's very hard to believe immigrant women are having beers. I just find that very, very hard to believe. Also, they will tell you whatever to your face, but are you allowed to marry into their family? Let's go right to the meat of the matter. What people say, and what people do are two different things.

Wouldn't it make sense that unskilled workers be brought in on permits? Just this week alone there will be some 4000 immigrants bording off a plane at Pearson Airport with no job prospects. Where are all these people going? What are they doing? Why are they coming where they know there are no jobs? We have MORE of a supply of workers coming into Canada then we can even handle, the problem is, they also don't have a desire to work at a hotel. This isn't their fault, its our fault for allowing this kind of immigration system which is simply illogical.

There's a major problem though: Why should someone who does not pay taxes have a say in how the money is spent? For instance, why should a government union who is funded by myself as a tax payer be able to determine how much they are paid when I am sponsoring each and every paycheck the recieve? I own them as a tax payer. Here's an example. The CBC is not a private company. It is owned by taxpayers like myself. A gov't worker in Canada (up to 30% of the workforce) also believes that they fund the CBC. They do not. Becuase it is ALSO myself who funds their paychecks which makes them no different than the CBC. A gov't union voting on the outcome of another gov't union is a conflict of interest. It should not be allowed.

I agree. I feel our system is also flawed just letting people wander out of the airport with no job and families sponsoring in others with no job prospects. work permits, yes. open immigration point games and sponsorship, no.

That's becuase they know that immigrants keep their party elected and in power.