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You mean, you never have to use your brain because someone already done all necessary thinking for you? What if they decide some day to rename bum brush to a toothbrush, works well with you? For your own good of course, how else.

Sigh. 1. Where's Ukraine's border? Where is Russia? 3. How many times has Russia done that since after WWII; and after its collapse in the 1990s? This is as easy as it gets and that's just too bad that we're struggling to figure that one out. So we should roll over and suck up. Recognize the true masters of our Universe here. Great progress, there. Are we screwed at last, between Putin-cheering righties and syringe "for your own good" lefties?

Wth? WWII was started intentionally by third parties aliens? 1. Where is (and was) Ukraine's border in 2001, 2014 and now, recognized by all the world, including Russia? 2. Where is Russia now? These are facts, plain and obvious. And that's just too bad.

Continue: to baby food pseudo science, deliberately muddling the question to avoid inconvenient questions. But all information is at one's fingertips these days. There's no excuses.

I sigh in despair watching rightwing fans kicking trudeaus of this world. Could one glaring lie be any better than another? Sigh. And back again.

Yes there was a good time to think about that and it was about two decades back. And we screwed up, again no surprises there. And now the only choice we still have is to let the bully has his way and see if it would make him stop somehow; or stand up to him and show him the way back. Really at this point wishing and hoping aren't doing anything. Where's Santa Claus to send these wishes to?

Like, Hitler in the old times? Sure he can run away: back to Mother Russia. Or would you rather have him run to Poland, Lithuania, Alaska?

In Canada there can be nothing like that, because the government controls the process one way or another, there's simply no genuinely independent mechanisms of government accountability.

You are either clueless, or deliberately vague to the point of manipulation and deception, just like the piece you quoted. What we call "vaccines" bona fide and based on the experience so far, including flu "shot" that we didn't call that for another obvious reason, were based on natural agents, made safe or safer or relatively safe, to which body itself decided how to react (and sure, each body individually). With mRNA, you inject instructions to produce certain proteins. They are not natural. The instructions, volume of the agent are the same for everybody. Bodies can react differently to the same amount of instructing agent and for some, it can carry additional risk. That is quite obviously, not the same thing. They may be great treatments, innovative, useful and saving lives. But it's a tall order to call them "vaccines", using the same word. It may not have been known in the immediate period after the first release. But by now anybody can see that they have few (and in some age groups, none) of the attributes of regular vaccines. Still they insist on spreading confusion and misleading, generating mistrust. This is not science, professional and in good faith. Maybe the opposite of it.

Honest, in good faith professional competent science does not intend to mislead and confuse. It does not take a concept that everybody knows and understands and all of a sudden, pretends that as of now it means something quite different or entirely different. That's dishonest pseudo science and you or no one can tell at which point it would turn into real manipulation with real risks to the society.

You want to take preposterous bluster of a dictator pushed into a corner for the real thing? Haha. Russia has done it free times in less than a century, a social collapse per generation, guaranteed by your totalitarian Supreme Macho. They only follow the lifecycle that is natural for them no need to be dramatic. And they can do that in their little zoo or right next to you... or if you happen to look weak (by the way how many of those great Leopards can be started?) make you join the fun (like they ever asked, anybody) with their new no-bounds buddies that would be fun, no?

And one more time, for the sensory disadvantaged here, which of the obvious, common sense qualities of the regular, conventional understanding of the term listed in the OP, apply to mRNA prophylactic agents in the age group 0-12?

Give an id... no scratch that, an exSpert enough time and space, don't tie their hands and they will shoot themselves in the foot (or somewhere; or somebody). The only outcome that can be predicted with confidence.

Down the hill, all together now!

Ignore, remove from the dataset as contaminated data.

And now we have the US Energy Department: Covid-19 likely emerged from a lab leak, secret report (The Guardian)

Russia is a typical bully, now we (the world) can see, with a sadistic psychopathic streak. It is undefeated and strong only against much smaller opposition (too many examples) or unarmed civilians (Chechnya, Syria). I think this is true but please correct me if I'm wrong, from Crimean war of 1850s Russia has been beaten every single time facing a strong matching opponent, the last one being Cold war and the next, Ukraine. Like, the perfect score. And there's an obvious reason for that too: Russia never learns.

Not really (or even close). Russian empire had been severely beaten by Japan in 1905 in the Far East and then folded completely in 1917 after only two years of a full-out war in Europe. It was about to collapse again in 1941 if it weren't for the Allies stepping in, in both fighting and massive supplies of military aid. It folded the third time, as USSR, in the late 1980s. That's three in less than a century. And by the looks of it, it has learned nothing. And it'll do it again happily for exact same reasons.

A better question would, which of Russia's neighbors, not being being its total puppet avoided being harassed, attacked, brutally invaded and having some territory taken? No seriously, what would be the rate, the fraction? Only takes a minute to find out. Hint: can go counterclockwise, right along the border: Norway; Finland; all three Baltic states; Poland; Romania; Moldova, Georgia and now, Ukraine. What f%ing "NATO" has done that in just a few decades?

Ceasefire like what exactly? Where are ceasefires and ceasefires. Russia crossed the strait and barged into Alaska.. or say in the near future NWT. Russia got its a$$ kicked pulled out counted heavy losses and negotiated a ceasefire to avoid having it kicked again. That's one. Two: Russia grabbed half of Alaska and offering to negotiate a ceasefire. The word is the same, did you notice? Which one would it be though? With all kind of tyrants and dictators, current and future ones, standing by and watching.. closely.

I count myself as a rational and reasonable human being. I'm interested in and follow news in science. I recognize that vaccines have been highly effective in eliminating terrible diseases such as smallpox, poliomielitis, mumps and others. And we also know and just had another chance to observe that the distance and the edge between real science, manipulation of science, misleading pseudo science and so on can be quite thin. So I'd like to propose a genuine, straightforward, no bull description, understanding if not a formal definition of the term "vaccine". P.S. in real, genuine science we are always open to new things, findings, trends, inventions, laws. And if and when we do come up with something new, of ours, we do not create confusion with terms and concepts already known previously, quietly changing or modifying their meaning. No. That would be a cause for concern. Why would one do that in genuine, open science? In it we do not aim to mislead, mix up and confuse. Quite the opposite: to find, understand and clarify. And so, vaccines: 1. Provide a clear and essential benefit to the recipient. Such as significant reduction of risk and/or severity of the condition. 2. Have to provide a clear, measurable and significant benefit to the general community. Otherwise it is a preventative treatment, prophylactics, therapy. No need to create confusion. 3. Have to carry minimal risk of adverse effects for the recipient. The natural standard is the risk of a severe condition. A genuine vaccine cannot have comparable or even higher risk than the condition it is trying to prevent it wouldn't make any sense not just in science but by sheer common sense. 4. And not in the least, the significant preventative effect is expected to last a considerable time. More than a year likely. We call it "flu shot" for a reason, do we not? By the way, what would be the essential difference, why is it that one is a "shot" and the other, the v-word? Do we need an exSpert for that, with an outrageous pay direct from our pocket? And while at it, we used to call it "a booster" when administered once or twice per lifetime, not bi-monthly for eternity, that used to be called a chronic condition treatment. This is not science. This is deceptive confusion around science with the intent to mislead and manipulate. And so I'd like to bring the question up for an open and honest discussion. Maybe it doesn't make sense? Maybe there are flaws, of logic or fact? This is how science works and why it has worked so far. Because every finding and conclusion are robustly verified and can be trusted. Not some creative bs that changes with the daily direction of the wind. And now, for a practical example, based on the definition above and conditional on its validity, what would be the chance of branding preventative Covid-19 treatments in the age group 0-12, in good faith, honesty and scientific or professional competence as "vaccines"? How many tests would it pass, out of four?

Wait that was the old story.. twice actually one in Poland, another more recently, Romania both NATO members. But yeah why worry... just give Hitler a chance and see what he'll be up to. Good surprises are always possible after all.. that was the thinking the last time worked amazingly well.

I have little doubt it was. Just as WWII was entirely preventable with a timely and decisive action. It's just too bad we couldn't learn, forget others mistakes, our own. Because you could be sending your people otherwise? This is exactly the same argument as pre-WWII and look how it ended. If Putins, Uns and such of the world are allowed to barge in, destroy and kill, from now on, and with nukes as added argument, what kind of world would we be opening door to? Are you sure you would be safe under that little umbrella?

I fully support Ukraine in their outstanding and inspiring fight for freedom and very existence against a brutal Asian tyranny but Trudeau in the suit of a holy warrior for freedom? I'm afraid that anything they touch could turn into some sad parody... contaminated.

Here we come to a very actual (for Canada) question: what is "law"? Is law the pretty paper its printed on, in black at times color characters? An inspirational professor lecture to the first years? Wise figures in expensive robes and tall chairs, solemn poses? Or is it the factual reality, what's being done with it in the reality, daily practice? See, Putin has "laws", Xi and Un have them too. Are they the "law" too, like the word is the same, anyone can spell it? A picture, image and perception, or the reality? I would state that the law is the reality. And so, as soon as the practice of the law begins to deviate significantly from the pretty scripture its that, the former one that becomes the real law. And we're heading straight into the Un's territory (eventually) forget the scripture. Indeed.