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Well, then the mess, and hatred for the West will continue no matter what do-goodies we turn up once in a while, and it's as simple as the second law of Newton. No reason to complain about uncivilized character of some and intolerant religions of others either. Just understand. They are the way they are. And they did not ask us there. So, either try to change your ways (and you're right, the prospects of that do not seem to be very promising even now) or continue to carry the burden of the white man without complain - till the hard truth finally dawns.

I propose to leave them alone (for real). Stop selling them arms (e.g. casset bombs). Stop supporting unpopular but friendly to West regimes. Bring back troops. Wait a while (maybe as long as took to create the mess?). And then, if they ask for your help, give what is asked.

Maybe, because white man has created (or was responsible, in large degree) for this, and many other problems of the kind, originating from the white man's late desire to civilize other people, and is now pursued by guilt and sense of responsibility? Just a thought. It's a deja vu all right. But far from learning from old mistakes, the neoCon company is starting it all over again (sigh).

Why should biologic dependence be the criteria for determining what is right or wrong? My point exactly. If there's any justification at all (religious or otherwise) to imposing your will over my body, then corpuscular democracy is the way to go. In other words, it's a conflict but not between definitions of what is dependendent or not, but between the rigth of some to impose their views on others and the right of those others to control their own bodies.

Hi Everyone, I'll venture to contribute some of my hopefully fresh ideas to this highly entertaining topic. First of all I find it very cool that someone wise is finding time and strength of spirit to be concerned with, and provide their valuable advice as to what some of us should do with their bodies. That insightful investigation can without doubt be extended to other promising areas, such as: passing air; baldness; washing habits; bodily odours and smells; to name only a few. I also agree that abortion represents a formidable challenge. People of this age happened to pick up some wrong ideas, and the old and proven adage "my God told me so and I'm their profet here, so shut up and do it my way or else" is showing certain signs of stress. Notions of gender equality, independence and even "reproductive freedom" are flying around. Time calls for new and fresh solutions. Which can be found in the revolutionary concept of "corpuscular democracy" (from corpus (lat) body, the term is mine - feel free to use or modify, spelling included; I think I just invented it but any references to the previous work in the field will be highly appreciated). In most basic terms, corpuscular (or bodily in plain language) democracy means that a body (yours, mine, everybody's, pun not intended) becomes a subject of the public domain and can be discussed, investigated or even modified on public's behalf, as long as the due process is followed and the principles of democracy are observed (i.e. not unlike e.g. a public consultation to reconstruct a building). How's it going to help with our problem? Here's the hitch: we should hold a referendum and have corpuscular democracy enshrined in the Constitution; of course we should never reveal our true intent, rather cite some acute current issue as the rationale, e.g. obesity epidemics comes to mind (my personal favourite - imagine, nine months of mandatory daily weight loss stress exercise followed by surgical removal of excess material if necessary - but I'm digressing). If you think it'll never work, especially with females, think again! How many would refuse a right to (vote to) have their foe's nose extended / legs shortened / other unfair advantages removed? With their support, we may just be able to pull it through! And the abortion? Once population is used to living in a corpuscular democracy, it'll be a piece of cake. After all, only a tiny minority of us would have ever used it, and after having a couple of extra limbs attached (or removed / modified) no one's going to make fuss about having to carry a few pounds of weight around for a few months.