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No, they don't understand. Couldn't? Wouldn't? Ohoh.

Seriously, what should it take to admit a fact?

Wth? You don't understand simple words, all of a sudden? There's no difference between "I won't participate" and "I'll bring it down", same thing to you? OK, if that's what you have to say. One has to read it as either you're lacking the intelligence to see the difference here; or you're just as ready to stretch and mislead as your supposedly hellish opponents. And neither is great, for the country. That's bad. I posted the facts, see it. Two hundred and eight Democrats voted to remove the Speaker. Voting is a conscious and deliberate act. This is a fact. You often accuse your opponents that they wouldn't admit to the facts. Can you? Are you different, really?

No, this is not that I said. And I already commented on the similarities between the partisan left and the right. They are both given to the zero sum game, and struggle with common notions of responsibility, objectivity and truth. Look here: - the House was working, somehow, anyhow - I did something, consciously and deliberately, and as a result, it's not working any longer. Who is responsible? Do you understand? If you just stood aside and it stopped working you could point fingers. But this is not what happen. So obviously, and your convincing yourself that it was all their fault will do nothing to change the objective picture. So it was you who brought the House down. OK. Then you did it for a reason, with some thinking? What was the reason? What were you thinking? You could get a better Speaker in no time and the country wouldn't need to notice? Please. You couldn't be that irresponsible and d-mb to do that only to stick it to "them"? Or could you? I have doubts now. Or you nuke the House, just like they did before? What does it make of you? Are you that different then? Objectively speaking?

No, you don't seem to understand the connection between the act and the outcome. It's called "responsibility". You voted the Speaker out, 208 of you joined by eight marginal Republicans (an interesting alliance, by the way). Now, who is responsible for the House being in a limbo? Doesn't look good, no. And most importantly why did you need to mislead? We brought the House down because we hoped that it would reflect bad on the other party but maybe (what if) not, on the government, and on the democracy as a whole? A five year old could see that. Half of the people of the country too, my estimate. Maybe the gamble would work. Or it will backfire, like the last time. This is a prime example that partisanship went way too far and there aren't good ones and smart ones here. Binary politics is a path to the downfall of democracy.

Gee people, we were talking here all this time, and it looks like was for nothing. McCarty vote count: 208 democrats voted to remove the speaker. Do you understand the difference between "responsibility to look after" and "throwing a rock"? Is "not supporting" and "voting against" the same thing? A five year old would know the difference. Is there an automatic obligation to vote down anything that comes from the other side? What would the founding fathers answer? I'm not impressed. Looks like you're just as ready to mislead and pretend for your own good cause, just as "them" for their. And that's just too bad. For the country. Why is it hanged on Matt Gaetz? He only gave Dems an opportunity to bring down the House. Voting "to remove Speaker" (208 votes) was a conscious and deliberate act. What was the thought? And what was the objective? How can one not see the obvious connection between the act and the outcome? Beyond me. As I see it, " House Democrats helped by a handful of marginal Republicans voted to oust the Speaker and throw the House into uncertainty" would be a correct summary of the event. No need to hide it with many words without much substance. Will the next one be better, for the country? (yes, you forgot). Will the chaos that follows work in your favor or like the last time? Will the gamble pay off or lead to a catastrophe (for the country)? You'll have to figure it out as you started it and its on your hands. Looks like both parties are entrenched in their partisan agendas and all but forgot about the responsibility to the citizens and the country. If there's any other way to see this, based on facts and objectively, do let me know.

I would like to clarify an essential question about the link vs. the full content. Does the bill require to pay for sharing links, or not? Or is it the Big Tech companies that are making it look like the same thing? It is not obviously, and it does not have to be. Really, when a serious regulatory jurisdiction like US or EU decide something, they only oblige. The law should not require to pay for sharing links, it's user information. It can and should enforce charges for copying full content. Does EU law allows copying the content to social networks without paying the creator? This wouldn't sound very plausible to me at least.

So to round it all up: the Dems with a little bit of help from the extreme mob voted out McCarthy to shut the House down for weeks at the time of extraordinary international developments and quite possibly, end up with a more radicalized GOP caucus and Trump's loyalist as the speaker. In what world does it make any sense? If this isn't a prime example of a dumb zero-sum partisanship game what is? Do you know who the folks will support after a month or two of government chaos? What makes you certain you'll gain from it and not the other way around? No clue. I hope someone has, here.

The Lying Clown strikes again: Israel communications minister Shlomo Karhi: "... shameful that a man like that, a former US president, abets propaganda and disseminates things that wound the spirit of Israel's fighters and its citizens" (Channel 13) Mort Klein, the president of the Zionist Organization of America: "It is reckless and irresponsible for Trump to have made negative comments about Israel — this is a time for unified support, not irrelevant comments that could give succor to Israel’s enemies,” Klein said. “I’m so ashamed of what he said. How does he expect support from people who care about Israel after making statements like this?” (Washington Post) You have the brain for a reason. Use it.

Republicans should not have nominated someone who voted against certification of the election without any evidence. This is a failure of responsibility, no way around that. Maybe if he admitted that he was wrong, publicly? Or maybe, it's all predetermined. Anyways, this time around nobody could claim that they couldn't know who Trump and his mob are. One doesn't have to embrace insanity: it's a choice, not inevitability.

Working together is now called that? Ohoh.

As I said, the responsibility to deal with the lying mob is the Republican's and nobody else's. Of course, they can deal with it in a number of ways: gather will and resolve and isolate the minority of chaos; embrace it and become one with it; take an honest decision and disassociate with insanity, having done all in their power to prevent it. Very hard to argue that. But in the meanwhile, the country is expecting the government to run and to work. Understand (try to) it's not about what and how you feel, there are other interests too. You don't have to bend over backwards. You don't have to give "everything they want". But you can show goodwill and preparedness to compromise if it is possible. I don't believe most people expect anything less from their representatives.

This is not how it works but a great excuse (to dig out stuff in the past to justify an entrenched position). Note (again) that population may not see it for such a great excuse as you do for the obvious reasons mentioned earlier. Parties set their candidates. They vote, once two and so on. They talk between votes, hopefully. And at some point, responsible individuals who think about their duty to the country and consequences, form their opinion: yes we can work together, or no we just can't. Next, as a citizen (I'm not a citizen of the States but that's what I would expect) I expect and require you to find a way to keep my government working. Because it's my government, not yours, I hope you still remember. And if you decide that it cannot work I would need a darn good reason from you, way better than "it's on them and we don't have to do anything here". Is it really that hard to get?

The responsibility to deal with the Trump's mob is Republicans only. But it doesn't give Democrats a carte blanche to forget about the duty to govern the country. If they would rather not see it this way, the population, a large part of it, certainly does.

They are not the same. Jordan was a favorite of Trump. Scalise is not. If the Speaker is not elected, the government of the country, not the Republican party can be in a chaos mode. Then the next time they can try Jordan, an open Trump's fan. This is exactly how partisan polarization works: inability to find ways to cooperate by the moderate middle pushes forward the margins and extremes. As a result, in the reality you will have: a) more radicalized Republican caucus; and b) more chaos in the country. Whose advantage would it work for? Are you sure it would be in the interests of the country? This just may be how the folks outside of politics would see it. I thought the job was to govern in the interests of the citizens, all citizens, regardless of the stripe. But sure, it can be the deep forgotten past. Oh well.

People elected a majority of Republican candidates in the House. This is a fact. You can demonstrate, to the people not your own cheering crowd that you are more intelligent and responsible. That you can see the reality and admit it. Or you can dig the past for an excuse to behave like a spoiled child. Your choice. And if so, the zero sum game can backfire on you. This has happened before. And on the country, and the wider world, unfortunately. Your responsibility is not to run an organized caucus, cheer loudly for your private cause etc. It was to manage the government with reason and responsibility to the benefit of the people, the citizens. You forgot?

And again I have to remind: there was no cooperation from Democrats in electing the first speaker, even when it was absolutely clear that they aren't going to have their Speaker. That was the time to show non-partisan goodwill and responsibility. By refusing to support a moderate candidate they increased the influence of the marginal crowd. Congrats. Then, he wouldn't have been tied by the margin's rules and the responsible majorities could work for the country. Why does it seem so hard to get? It's the zero sum game, right? Chaos on their side (and in the government, as a result) always works best for us? Does it though? Did it? And if the st...d game tanks - again, and in a very short interval, there won't be anyone else to blame. You know that, right? Because for a citizen far down below it looks pretty much like the same old partisan game at all cost, and primarily at the cost of intelligent and responsible governance, the same one he/she is growing sick of.

How about you show a goodwill; a genuine intent to work for the country and its people, not play partisan zero-sum games for dumb ever? There was a reason they were elected there... forgot? .. shouldn't the House set those rules? Sure, responsible representatives of the people, regardless of the stripe can set the rule that makes sense for the people, rather than a bunch of marginals. Isn't it how it was supposed to work in the first place? Forgot.

This is what binary politics does to people ohoh. Do you remember what was it for, the whole thing? They are representatives of the people; who should they work for then? And whose interests have to be of the top priority?

"Egypt has warned Israel three days prior" in the news now.

And in Isreal, e.g. about nukes.

Jordan was Trump's all out favorite. Republicans did not support him by a very slim majority. Don't blow your chance to work together with mainstream part of GOP and isolate the populists. If you blow it, and the non-smart (sic) zero sum gamble backfires (as it did already), you will have only yourself to blame.

There has been any number of leaks in the U.S. and Europe with far less at stake. In a democratic country would be incredibly difficult to keep this kind of information under the lid.

If it was known in advance, it would have leaked out on the first day, given the scale of the atrocities. The only other possibility is that Israel has become a seriously authoritarian state. Not quite likely, in my personal opinion.

Please. Don't be self-rightous to plain d..bness this time around. It backfired before and can backfire again. Easily. Responsible Republicans did not elect Trump's favorite candidate, though it was closer that I would have liked to see. Still, this your chance to define the agenda that majority of the responsible representatives on both sides can support, and get down to work. For the country, and the world not only for a private vision of your glory to the exclusion of everything and everyone else that can just slip away. Again. Just like that. Please be thoughtful and responsible. This is a great chance to show to the people that you care, and can work for them, not only your own political agenda. Your turn. Please.