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As history shows, after a degradation of this magnitude it's virtually impossible to come back to the state of integrity and principle. Quite possibly, we are observing the final phase of GOP as a democratic community. I'm not sure it can be saved from itself at this point in its trajectory.

Moderate Republicans who didn't vote for Jordan are reporting threats and intimidation. A normal, regular practice of the lying mob, no principles no democratic or moral standards anything is allowed and good to get it your way. What is Republican party becoming? Disheartening and disgusting, honestly. Who wants their democracy, and the country be ruled by people like that, and be like that?

I see your point here and can even agree on the first vote. OK Democrats showed their preference, and it makes sense for them and the country. What about the second one though? Was it exactly the same? The consequences of the House in a limbo were certain. But maybe there isn't a good solution here. I'm surprised and worried to see so many Republicans, 10 : 1 supporting the lying mob candidate. We know from history and other places how this process works, by hook and crook, twisting and forcing, the mob will take over everything. Moderate Republicans reporting threats and intimidation. Maybe it's too late already. Difficult to escape the conclusion that GOP from a founding party of democracy is developing into an authoritarian sect ruled by a mob without any principles but to grab the power and hold it. Thinking and responsible Republicans should think seriously is there a good future down this path. Can there be?

Nothing matters, only Big Fat Lie. At least this time around, there will be no naives and innocents. Every single one who buys into it, does willingly, consciously and deliberately.

There you go. So much for self defense and justice. Don't do as they say: see it and understand it for what it is. Unbound by anything, unhedged and unlimited lying.

The lying mob knows all about self-defense and justice... just ask them what they think about bloodthirsty dictator thug Putin aka "very respectable genius".

Iraq war: has nothing to do with Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Was authorized by UN. What about Hitler and Putin? Had no objectives to occupy Iraq or any part of it. What about Hitler and Putin? The result is democratic (at least to some extent) independent Iraq, free elections. What about Hitler and Putin? The civilian toll during the war phase, two months: between 7,000 and 8,000 by far not all caused by the coalition. What about Hitler and Putin? No annexations. What about Hitler and Putin? War crimes by the coalition were investigated and prosecuted. What about Hitler and Putin? The take: Iraq war was nothing like, not even lightyears remote excuse for Putin's criminal aggression. "G7 leaders mass murderers" like Putin and Hitler? You are a lying liar. No: one cannot be this dumb, physically.

You don't need to wait. In your world Putin, who in less than two years killed more than Hitler up to 1941 is not Hitler but leaders of G7 democracies are equivalent, then this is your private reality you chose to create for yourself (or to spread around?). I really don't care for what reason, a subtle Russia troll, an arrival from some place with an ingrained admiration for the strong hand, a recent convert to the lying cult etc. You farted something into the universe with no evidence, obviously false and absolute total nonsense. Go on, pump them out, your choice. But you never said what the fate of Russia should be in your world, for its criminal and brutal, entirely unprovoked war that violated every single law, rule and charter of international relations in the civilized world? remember, Hitler 1939-1940? The only comment you made so far was "keeping the lines open". Is that what the punishment for these crimes should be, in your strange private world? This is not real. There are liars who deliberately tell and spread lies and there are those who create pseudo-realities based on blatant lies. Pick one, but its a conscious and deliberate choice because in this age one cannot be this dumb.

I did. And it doesn't seem to exist here. Either of: the search function doesn't work (checked twice); or you're imagining things; or just reinventing it quietly aka l-ing with a flair of innocence. In one of these cases I'm listening and if proven will readily admit it. And for all others, we're done here. Nothing more to say, and no slightest interest. You can invent your own private realities as you like. You're the owner of them and obviously, any and all consequences.

At this point further discussion is pointless. You were given the facts, they are just that, the reality. Putin today is worse than Hitler, 1940. Done. Dance, squeak around it, it won't change anything here, only in your mind. Look, humans are famous in the Earth's ecosystem and possibly the entire sector of the galaxy for their ability of convincing themselves to believe anything. There were and are folks who worship Hitler, Putin and any, the worst kind of thug. No point in spending a moment of one's time on a discussion with someone who creates their own reality. Yes you can convince yourself that one mass murder can be better than another. That one mass murderer is a criminal in a tribunal and another, only "ruthless and calculating". It's a choice and a moral one. Yours. I cannot change it and won't even try. Only one observation though, just in case. In that moral world of yours: you are saying that mass brutal crimes, war crimes are not equal. That one can be better than another, not so bad. OK. Then, it leaves you only one step away from being able to convince yourself that some mass murders are not even crimes. Just because you can, no reason. And then, that state is already Hitler. On the moral scale, I'm not drawing any personal or physical parallels. Indeed, if you allow Hitler to pick and choose which mass murder is not a crime, Hitler is not a mass murderer anymore, maybe "ruthless and calculating" that's all. Bombed cities; because. Deported and tortured civilians, for this reason. Holocaust, here's the explanation. This is what Hitler did and this is exactly how it worked. Isn't that what you're trying to play, in your mind? Think well.

This isn't about Putin. The question was simple: did Hitler qualify as Hitler in when he started WWII in 1939 and by the time he occupied most of Europe in 1940? Your answer was clear too: No. Hitler wasn't Hitler during the occupation of Poland, invasions of France, Belgium, Netherlands and the Battle of Britain, 1940. Not enough brutality? Go ahead and tell it to the world. I don't think there's much in the sense of reason and objectivity that can be added here. You are being dishonest in this discussion and change points arbitrarily. This is understandable because you have no arguments, logical or factual. We are not talking about Putin anymore, Putin is worse than Hitler was in 1940, this was proven to you, a fact. Yes Holocaust is another horribly criminal dimension of what Hitler did, but does it make all the criminal things he's done before it, somehow "better" or less repugnant? In your moral world it seems to be so. This is what you are saying. OK. I heard it. In my judgement a crime is a crime regardless of who committed it and the number of victims. In your world, it's different. That much is clear and we'll have to leave it at that. Thanks for the openness, some could think this way but would not have the audacity to admit it.

Where did we hear that, I wonder? All the unbelievable things we learn here. And how else would we find it out?

In less than two years of his brutal war Putin killed more people, innocent neighbors and his own, than Hitler in the entire period of 1933 to 1940 (inclusive). You can add to it Chechen war atrocities; Georgian war atrocities; Syria war atrocities and war crimes. These are the facts. The casualty toll of the Kristallnacht, horrible as it was, was about a hundred. Putin killed dozens of innocent civilians in a single missile strike, very recently and he launches them by a dozen, almost daily. You are only a bunch of pathetic liars who couldn't admit the reality because it would contradict the dogma of your Lying Idol. Nothing you say means much, it's only hot air and dust. You cannot support it neither with facts nor with logical arguments. Sad, pathetic and entirely useless.

You cannot get around the reality that is: two hundred and eight democrats voted to remove the speaker. This is a fact, and you can try to dance around it only at the cost of losing your credibility. Same with the lying mob, by the way. Instead, you could try to explain the act of the Democratic caucus rationally: - What was the rationale and objective? - What positive outcome was expected? - How was it expected to benefit the country and the citizens?

Would that be another creative term for "vote to remove the Speaker"? Go on, from funny to ridiculous.

Hitler 1940 "not comparable" to Hitler. Congrats, you have arrived. Selective thinking, outside of principles and moral does that, in a flash.

You are saying now that Hitler before 1941 was not Hitler? That all the same terms as you described Putin would fully apply to Hitler 1933 - 1940? "Keep the lines open"? "Encroached on his space"? It was proven to you, with facts and numbers that they are very much comparable. That Putin, as of today is worse than Hitler 1940 by your own proclaimed measure. Want to try to squeak out again?

Oh oh.. I'll refrain from obvious analogies. So you don't understand the notion of a cause and effect? Just do stuff and see what happens? Oh oh.

208 Democrats voted to remove the Speaker and put the House in a limbo. What else can one add to a fact?

OK, next argument and that one we can actually verify objectively: 1939, Nazi invasion of Poland: German losses: 14,000 Polish: 66,000 total: 80,000 1940, Nazi invasion of France: German losses: 49,000 Allies: 73,000 total: 122,000 1940, Nazi occupation of Belgium and Netherlands: total under 10,000. As of today, in closing on two years of his war, only Putin's army losses in Ukraine are approaching three hundred thousand, tens if not hundreds of thousands of civilians. Millions displaced. Europe-wide refugee crisis. Why is Putin not Hitler today? Try again.

You're carefully sidestepping the objective reality of the matter. Very carefully, but why would one? Here it is: if Democrats did not vote against the Speaker (please note: literally. If there's any issues with comprehension I can elaborate, not a problem) would the House be running now? Is there a causal relationship between the vote and the outcome?

No you could not. You took a cue from the marginal caucus and did their job for them. I've no time for manipulations of the facts and reality, whatever side and great causes. If the greatest cause in the world goes against facts and truth, it has to be wrong. Easy.

So, basically we are talking here about excuses, apologies and such for Hitler-like, hitleresque if you have it, actions and behaviors. I thought of trying to describe it here (again), but no, no point, any sane person with at least some memory would know, and otherwise, no point. So far we have: "It's a privilege for an academic "to meet such people, to be able to converse with them, to understand what was happening" (professor in the OP) Hitler: the privilege is mutual! "Special events and circumstances" Hitler: can't agree more, enthusiastically "Ruthless and calculating individual to keep the lines open with" Hitler: if you say so; no disagreement from me "To do whatever is necessary to prevent a hostile military alliance from coming to your doorstep" Hitler: and I was doing exactly that! Why are you pointing at me? C'mon people have your say, don't hold it back relieve it all here this is you chance. Just keep it coming. You have to know who you are and I'll help out of obligation to the reality, nothing fun or happy though. Just doing my job.

Is robbing criminal - or "sketchy" or "politics"? Is killing civilians, bombing homes and hospitals for no reason criminal? Should crimes against humanity be punished or shrugged off? Should criminal thugs be brought to justice or invited to continue and share their art? These are simple questions. You are under no duress or obligation, just sharing freely and openly, what you think and who you are. Go on. Hitler did the same things, all of them, and he was "ruthless and calculated". Go on. What a bunch of hypocrites, with no notion of reality. Your words mean nothing, they have zero substance just garbage dust and smoke. A bloody brutal criminal, a sworn enemy or "very honorable genius" depending on the time of the day. Is there a better illustration of the Animal Farm and 1984? Guess what you are living it, a real living example: no reality, no truth and no principles. Something to be proud of, isn't it?

Maybe but did you have to blow it up, did it give you some rational reason to do that? You could try some intelligent approach, or stand by tell people what you think and let them make up their minds. Why blow up? What good did you get from it (and the country)?