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Well is that fact or fiction?

Is that fact or fiction?

Hey I actually grew to like Harper but I am not sure what he could have done differently.

Certainly past economic history with similar patterns agrees with your comment and so must I for the same reasons.

Yes.

I ran out of likes. I agree.

Yah boy did you notice that...poof gone. Great question.

He is just figure head. I doubt he even knows what a virus is. With due respect a lot of people seem caught off guard and like you I want to know why but it will point to far more than Prince Justin.

Ok Y I gotta strongly agree. You see I dislike trump not yooz. Lol. Seriously I agree and I am apolitical on this but shutting down world economies makes no sense.

Hey Dougie aka Slim Pickens riding the missile from Dr. Strangelove, this is all another Peter Sellers movie, Being There, one of my all time favourites. Go have a beer and stay away from CBC and yer guns.

Really? Hyperbole Z.

I do not agree that this anyone's fault. Looking for scapegoats is pointless. I hate Trudeau as a politician but to blame him for what is happening is pointless. He is doing what he is being advised to do. He is doing his best.

First off if we went by your logic 97 per cent not dying is what colossal? You use 3 percent because what? It is a meaningless no. You do not know the actual no. of cases and the actual causes of death from the deaths reported. You rely on incomplete stats. By the way the OP not aging well means what..that some of us do not join a group insecurity about death?

Well you have a right to of course but hang in and take it day by day. This will resolve.

Your rate of mortality is incorrect but everything else well stated. By the way to Argus et aI Iespect your comments and respond but not to insult just to add to the discussion. We all have been inundated with conflicting info at times depressing as hell. I am just trying to be positive I mean zero know it all attitude. I take anything Argus says with utmost respect.

Yes they were and so admissions protocols are being changed as we speak and in fact people are beimg g sent home with no testing based on new protocol. Hospitals were being inundated no different than people using emergency for flus and colds. Because we have free medical care people believe they can have unlimited access to hospital services.

1. No it has not just started because most cases remain unreported so the start date is guesstimated having started in Wuhan but unreported cases may have come and gone before it hit people who reported it. 2. The peaking for it in Canada is unknown both due to unreported cases and now steps to slow down its transmission but your assumption its rise in cases will lead to higher mortality rates due to more people getting it is inaccurate. In fact to date when tmore people who get it report it the death rate actually decreases to 1 percent as they self recover with mild reactions. 3.You are also misleading in presenting info about treatments in that in fact certain anti virals in conjunction with steroids and antio antibiotics are working..l so your assumption no vaccine exists makes it sound there is no treatment. In fact treatment is working as is evidence in recovery rates of those in hospital. 4.The 13 percent hospitalization rate is also inaccurate because some admitted did not have to be and are now released as protocol for hospital admittance changes. It is true 50 percent of those requiring intensive respiratory care with preexisting conditions are dying which is no different than with anyone getting lung infections who have compromised immunities regardless of the virus. That rate is caused by age and preexisting conditions. 5. Flu rates are regulated by what is called herd immunity, the inherent ability in home sapiens when exposed to viruses to immunities that stops the transmission. Some viruses jump from animals to humans where we do not have the inherent herding immunity response like this one and it requires more time until our bodies adjust and also we give time for the virus to mutate. In most cases like Sars the virus mutates. It becomes harder to treat but also very hard to transmit for the same reasons and this is why Sars petered out and eventually this virus which is a version of Sars will as well. This virus right now is itself not the issue. It will not kill most people. The concern is trying to protect the vulnerable no different than any other virus. The only reason it has caused such panic is a mix of being unable to track it properly given its lack of symptoms and therefore higher transmission rates combined with internet false info.

For sure checking for adverse reactions which leads toclass action law suits when any medication causes adverse effects.

In regards to making a vaccine and this is again found at:https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-outbreak-end.html, it does take time to develop a vaccine. There are people currently racing to develop a vaccine but it will take time. In the interim all kinds of false rumours are being spread on the internet about cures. All a vaccine is, is a dose of the virus injected in you to allow yourself to develop immunities to the virus. In otherwords it means exposing us to the vaccine to break the chain of our passing it to others because when we get it, it can't be passe don as our body defeats its it before its spread. "But health officials aren't just sitting back and waiting to see how the virus will behave; researchers worldwide are racing to find a vaccine and treatment for SARS-CoV-2. Because the virus has "established itself in human populations, a vaccine is the only way to eradicate it," Adalja said. Recently, a group of researchers mapped out the detailed structure of the so-called spike protein that the new coronavirus uses to latch onto and infect human cells, potentially opening the door to a vaccine. The idea is that if people were to be injected with a spike-protein-based vaccine, their bodies would make antibodies against it so that, if they were ever exposed to the real virus, they would have immunity, Live Science previously reported. But the problem with vaccines is that "it takes so long to go from the potential vaccine to the animal model to the types of clinical trials [needed], and there's only so many steps you can cut out without jeopardizing safety," Cioe-Peña said. And so a vaccine isn't going to help with the spread of the virus in epicenters right now, he added. "

Here is another possibility that may see an end to this virus that is NOT a doomsday panic theory but one based on SARS and also found at: https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-outbreak-end.html "Another possibility is that SARS-CoV-2 will mutate in a potentially beneficial way, making it more difficult for the virus to infect people. Back in 2002, a similar coronavirus in the Guangdong province of southern China first hopped to humans from animals and caused an outbreak of an infection that became known as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). SARS spread to 26 other countries, including Canada, sparking fear that the disease would become widespread in North America. "When SARS came to Canada, we were worried that this was going to be another epicenter," said Dr. Eric Cioe-Peña, an emergency room physician and the director of global health at Northwell Health in New York. But the outbreak ended up petering out, in part due to good public health containment, he said. But it also was because SARS randomly mutated — as viruses commonly do — and became much more severe but harder to transmit to humans, he said."

Let us again get back to the current issue which can be summarized as follows and can be found at: https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-outbreak-end.html "The best way to control the virus or slow its spread is through containment measures such as quarantines and travel restrictions, Gordon told Live Science. Indeed, there's been a worldwide effort to stop the spread of this new coronavirus. Some efforts, such as the quarantines on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, might have had limited success, Live Science previously reported. But containing the spread of the virus will be extremely difficult, Gordon said. There are a few reasons for that: SARS-CoV-2 spreads very easily, most cases of COVID-19 aren't severe and thus may not be identified, and the virus has a long incubation period, or the time between when a person is infected and when they start showing symptoms, Gordon said. What's more, all containment efforts are based on what we know about the virus, and there's still much we don't know. Quarantine periods are typically 14 days, based on early studies that suggested that was the longest possible incubation period for the virus. But there's some evidence that the incubation period might be much longer. For instance, local news reports from China's Hubei province (where the first human cases of the disease appeared) claimed that a 70-year-old man who was infected with the coronavirus didn't show symptoms until 27 days after infection, according to The Washington Post. The most common ways the virus is thought to spread are through respiratory droplets and via contact with an infected person, but it's still unclear if the virus can spread before symptoms begin." So again it needs to be said that the stats we have are not accurate and there is much more to be learned and in the vacuum of that knowledge people spread information and theories that have no basis and are based on subjective speculation, inference and incorrect assumptions, often triggered by an anxiety of not having answers but wanting them. We in the affluent Western world have been taught by our social systems that when we get sick we pop a pill, an instant cure. When we can't we fret. Religions were started to provide people with emotional comfort to deal with primal fears of darkness, predators, illness, death, things that made our world seem impossible to control and always a threat to us. So we created faith belief systems and rituals to ease our anxiety of things we could not understand or control. With the erosion of religion as a central control organ to contain and channel our anxiety, we have now turned to the inter-net and its instant answers as our new God and faith value system and it provides us the knowledge our clergy persons once did only the themes we are given are contradictory and mostly prove to be false if they stay on the internet long enough. All you have to do is read back the millions of predictions on the world ending in 1999,the second sun going to smash into us, aliens waiting to attack us and planning an invasion using Walmart as the group gathering stations to kill us all, 9-11, Ebola, Zeka, Swine flue, Bird Flu, Aids, North Korea, Iran, pick your poison who was or is going to kill us all. Here is how the virus will subside as all viruses do: "Pandemics end when the virus doesn't have enough susceptible people to infect. The catastrophic 1918 Spanish flu pandemic is thought to have infected 500 million people worldwide, many of them soldiers living in close quarters fighting in World War I. Once the war ended and people dispersed, the spread slowed as people had less contact. But the flu was ultimately halted in part because those who survived it had immunity and the virus didn't hop as easily as it did at the beginning. If the virus comes into contact with another person but that person isn't susceptible to the disease, then that chain of transmission is snuffed out. If one person infects two, those people together infect four and so on, and eventually, the virus runs out of susceptible people to infect, said Joshua Epstein, a professor of epidemiology at New York University. "What happens typically is that enough people get the bug that there just aren't enough susceptible people to keep the chain going." This is why I said, we need people who have contacted the illness and become immune to it to spread to counter the spread of the virus. So in spite of our isolating people to give hospitals time to adjust, we are also delaying the natural process of evolution which is to allow the virus to spread and be defeated by sufficient no's of people who are immune to it not being able to spread it.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/768800/David-Icke-queen-shape-shifting-lizard https://www.techtimes.com/articles/247635/20200228/aliens-behind-first-coronavirus-confirmed-case-unknown-origin-scientist-claim.htm

Yes but you then have to focus on those who came in under 65 who had pre-existing medical conditions and what they were. You also have to understand that the cases reported are not necessarily the total amount of cases out there. So the stats you are looking at the way you are using them to assume people underr 65 will have to go to the hospital is necessarily inaccurate.

Bad of course is a relative term we affluent use so loosely. While some fret over this virus all the rest of the world continues with its other issues and conflicts far greater a life threat than this virus will ever prove to be. The fact we live such sheltered and affluent lives makes this virus seem bad. You want bad, live in a congested camp with cholera. Try getting Dung fever. Excuse me if I slap my head a few times and say get a grip on my gonads. I blame CBC with its doomsday scenarios and politically correct distanced news anchors. I blame Ian Hanamansingh. I would blame Lisa Laflamme but she has a drag queen name and since I am in my 60's I find her and Genevieve Beuchemin to be hot. Now Chantal Hebert is my all time favourite even though she looks like a zombie from zombie land. I think we should elect her/him Prime Minister right now.

Trudeau is a mouthpiece. Getting mad at him is pointless. No elected official is capable of doing anything right in the sense that during this issue there are thousands if not millions of so called experts often with different opinions. I don't see partisan analysis of leaders at a time like this being accurate. They do what the people surrounding them tell them to do. Governments are not magic. Medicine and science is not magic. There are no miracle pills or cures for anything but there are thousands if not billions of layers of bureaucracy when any decision is made.