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Now if we actually were to respond to the debate title I would have said traditional Christianity as interpreted literally as Betsy does sees Satan as a distinct entity with many different shapes ranging in the form of a human being to a large winged creature to a fang toothed and horned serpent like creature. In my world however Satan is in all humans and is for want of a better way to explain it-negative energy. In my world which is currently the third dimension, all life forms are encased in physical flesh bodies limited in perception to a material 3 dimensional world defined by the 5 senses and the believe I and WE are distinct and are fueled by a never ending clash of duality, positive and negative energy. The so called reconciliation of Satan would only come if you follow traditional Christianity if Satan asked Jesus to forgive him and give himself over to Jesus. This of course is not likely as the distinct entity called Satan in their religion will never do this and symbolizes the negative force that must duel constantly with the positive force of Jesus so that from thatt never ending battle the truth can arise. With no Satan to test or clash with Jesus, there would be no contrast between light and dark, good and bad from which to be able to understand both. Its the contrasting or clashing of different entities we are told truth comes out of. Thus male and female, life and death, you and me, all defined as distinct and conflicting. In our three dimensional world positive and negative energy clashes and through a dialectic process reconciles through balancing the two by becoming a bit of both through synthesis. We are in that sense a never ending battle of these two energies cancelling one another out so to speak to create what we then call truth or the eye of our hurricane otherwise called life. The negative is required as much as the positive for without the two clashing, there would be no fuel so to speak in cells to form life and what we call existence. Some speculate we are myopic and can only define through this clash of duality as long as we are in the third dimension where we allow materiality and our five senses to limit the boundaries of how far we will be willing to perceive any paradigm for addressing any questions of meaning and existence. I personally believe Adam and Eve are codified references to the matter within energy-basic physics. I believe the true intent of the Christian parables was to explain that positive actions produce a cascading effect of positive actions just as negative actions create a cascading effect of negative actions and that each of our souls has the choice to set off either sequence depending on how we decide. I think the original Christian beliefs were Agnostic and did not refer to Jesus as THE messiah but A messiah and explaining to us all we are ALL messiahs no different than him which would be more in line with the doctrine of tekam olem he put into practice, the Talmudic concept of connecting to God through the unconditional love of all. In that matter we are all a potential Jesus and unfortunately a potential Satan. Each one of us was born so to speak to be able to heal the world through forgiveness and positive actions, or wound or destroy the world through negative actions. So I don't see Satan as a God with wings anymore than I would any so called God. I see infinite cascading streams of energy that clearly came from somewhere and will continue to go somewhere constantly evolving in shape or meaning as it journeys forth seeking meaning. The clash of the negative and positive is the fuel so to speak that keeps the journey flowing. If there was absolute harmony, we would cease to journey to look for meaning and existas we know it- for existence is simply the exercise of looking for meaning in a constant journey with no beginning or end and was meant to be infinite. If we did achieve ultimate reconciliation we would return to or absorb ourselves back into our original source or point from where we split off from a greater whole and cease to be either positive or negative. I think people find it easier to explain evil through parables like the stories of Satan or God through personification using the Christ figure. God is an abstract concept that is far easier understood by some when we give it a human form and qualities. In that sense its no different than watching Star Trek and everyone speaks English and has human qualities when we know the probability of aliens being similiar to us as much as it was in Star Trek is unrealistic. Satan is thought of as a demon-an evil source controlling your individual thoughts and tricking you into giving away your free will. So if you believe that it is possible that what we cakk Jesus may be in fact Satan posing as Jesus-how would one know the difference? With that in mind, for me I argue, your soul is in fact you, yourself and if you delegate away your free choice and thinking process to anyone or thing, you are deceiving yourself. If this thing called God exists, it would not be logical to think it is dettached from your individuality and not the same as you. That would make no sense. If you come from a greater power you still are that power choosing to share itself in your form. That connection then, never ends. For me Satan or evil or negative is simply forgetting that and forgetting that me/us as an illusion and is not different. We are all God and when we feel we are not and its distinct from us, that I believe is caused by too much negative energy or focus.

First thing you need to do is evolve past your childish and simplistic stereotyping of what you refer to as "principled conservatives". You can't go a sentence without throwing out idiotic stereotypes of groups you invent in your head then project externally to then pretend they exist. Then again I suppose using your level of conversation and cognitive processing I should say its what I would expect from a shrill leftist.

XUL you really should find out about Canada. Tory governments like Liberal ones have not spent on the military. Go look it up. No one in Canada when elected has spent much. Since WW2 this has been the case it transcends political parties.

It is the height of audacity and two faced bull sheeyat for Hudson Jones to ask you to account for you support or do not support when he clearly comes on this forum only to paste along with Marcus canned anti Israeli scripts that in my opinion are designed to incite hatred against all Jews and Israelis and would on some forums be considered trolling. In fact there act of trying to inundate this section of the forum with anti Israeli diatribes while ignoring Muslim terrorism and violence against fellow Muslims and non Muslims is blatant. I contend Hudson Jones supports Hezbollah, Hamas, and Muslim extremist organizations based on the scripts and code words he uses. I say the same about Marcus. So when he asks you who you support ask him why he does not have the integrity to state who he supports and what his actual name is. I tell you what, my name is not Frobisher Smith.

The only thing relevant is if there was a pay-out right before the election that violated certain pre-election laws. Other then that, who someone screws is not an issue unless you or anyone can show me it presented a security breach. In Trump's case his current wife can we be serious and I am being serious was a high priced East Euro escort with direct ties through her father to the KGB. That compromised Trump long ago. The fact she is a transexual who spanks him I don't care. I don't care that Michelle Obama was a man, that Barak was gay, that Clinton had a curved penis he could not keep in his pants, that Hilary is a dyke. When Hilary decided to compromise herself with her alleged "second" daughter it was evident she was a Saudi spy. Its evident George Bush Sr. had affairs, his son had affairs, even Nixon the cold fish had an affair. The question is when they have sex do they compromise state security. If they don't, mind yer own business I say. As for Justin if anyone does not think he will announce he is transitioning soon good luck to you. I predict prior to the next election he will announce that. I don't care. He can't dance.

Oops. You forgot to state there is am embargo inspecting goods going into Gaza because Hamas is in a declared state of war against Israel and uses its people as pawns to smuggle in weapons to build tunnels and weapons to attack innocent Israeli civilians. Yah I know Israel just has nothing better to do. It just has people wake up each morning for NO FUCKING reason and just shoot at Palestinians. Badda boom badda bing those damn Jews. In actual reality Hamas organized a mass crowd marching up to the Israeli border screaming and throwing rocks and Israel fired back tear gas from drones and rubber bullets which will wound and injure but less likely to kill who it hits. As well in that crowd which is a standard Hamas motus operandi were strategically placed snipers who used the crowd as fire and tried to kill Israeli soldiers at the border. That part Marcus the terrorist supporter of Hamas will not discuss. He won't discuss how citizens are being used by Hamas as a cover to attack the Israeli border. What Hamas is protesting by the way is not the embargo but in fact Israel for existing as a Jewish state, Marcus forgot that one as well. By the way as the alleged death and injury tolls have not been verified and Hamas has been caught time after time lying as to the number of injured or dead it claims, just like anything Marcus writes about Israel, there is zero credibility-they are a one trick pony achieving nothing with their attempts to incite violence and anger and killings of civilians to get adverse publicity against Israel. But hey Marcus is there on cue with the evil Israeli horse crap. Who saw that coming-gosh what a surprise.

Witj Trudeau a slip of his tongue is called foreplay. I have to explain everything on this forum.

So they both soiled their panties. Well look at it this way, whether you like it or not, Doug can aim better. There I trust that analogy helps.

Hey now One is not guilty until proven guilty. Kadr was no terrorist or criminal for that reason. So using that reasoning one cannot say such things about the Big D. Now one last thing. If he was a drug dealer (which no doubt he was) isn't it ironic if Wynne or any Liberal opens their mouth about the big D selling cannabis, they explain why they are all for legal sales of it. So it seems that topic is self-defeating for anyone trying to turn it into a moral righteous attack against Big D Yes it is kind of ironic they threw out Pat Brown with allegations of sexual immorality and then they put in someone who sold drugs illegally and enabled his bro's addiction, yah, true but I doubt anyone is gonna touch the hash issue for the reasons I said-it will blow up in their face given all 3 parties want dope sold in Ontario. As for his municipal politics role as a bully and enabler of his brother, I note the press has stayed away from it. Naively I thought his municipal role would have tainted him but he seems to be riding a get Wynne out wave that will pretty much put up with anyone other than the NDP and LIberal leaders.

You know I do not doubt your faith or question it or your interpretation of the Bible. You know you there are some strong ethical feelings we both share as to the sanctity of life and how we both belief it is a gift. Obviously you and I won't agree on how to use the Bible at times. That's o.k. I respond to show you I never ignore your thoughts. I think you preach because you care. I just come from a world where the "God" I have witnessed is not necessarily detached from the "Satan" I have witnessed and the dynamic between the two to me is a constant process of the two clashing. I don't see it in as literal or as rigid terms as you. You will find this interesting. This Satan as you would call it I have seen of course and encountered. Problem is HE took the body of a man and was quite decent and kind and did wonderful things. You know that is precisely the issue. What appears to be and what is, well that is the question you and I face. Funny Betsy but so far, I have smelled "him" out every time. Call me lucky. I don't rely on my smell. The guard is always up so to speak. The tricky thing is not mistaking the good for bad and vice versa. Wish I had an easy method for that to tell you. You might want to try visit some other places of serenity like a Bhuddist temple, maybe a river bank. You'd be surprised what a change of scenario can do. Me I like it sometimes sitting with my dogs near moving water. Now that's a way to get the message without any specific words or lessons.

I think Queen Mandy a bit back raised the salient response which is if Betsy you want to interpret the Bible literally as you do that is your choice. Many of us do not read it literally but as an set of allegories or fables created to illustrate lessons. In fact in Judaism the Bible is said to have an infinite number of meanings per each sentence in it. The Bible is referred to as an onion with infinite layers and when you peel one back to reveal its meaning , another one is revealed and so on. Each meaning's revelation can makes one's eyes tears just like when you peel an onion. In your case you appear to have see one level or one possible interpretation of the words you read and then stopped believing there is only that one meaning to be derived from what you read. Nah. Too easy.

I agree. If we were to really fight terrorists we would not send soldiers anywhere and tell them to stand down and watch massacres happen which we already did. Canada did play a meaningful role in Iraq on the ground yes but the Liberals keep it out of the news. Likewise as to current Canadian activities in the Ukraine. We do have ground forces in Iraq fighting terrorists and ground forces in the Ukraine that have engaged in clandestine warfare against Russia defending the Ukraine but its kept out of the news. To play a proper role countering terrorism, there is no such thing as peacekeeping with terrorists. Peacekeeping was a quaint Lester B. Pearson notion that was not based on managing or containing terrorism, just conventional armies. You don't peace keep Boca Raton. You kill them before they kill others. I doubt the dancing Raja, Bustin Justin understands that. This is someone who likens terrorists to Italian immigrants and thinks they can be rehabilitated.

Your comment makes no sense. Are you suggesting your press in Canada covers what is going on in Africa. Give me a phacking break. Its a fact. Get back to me when your Liberal rag the Star figures out where Burkina Faso is let alone that Muslim terrorists exist.

I agree with your comment but Flint never stated they should ban grass. You assumed that from his initial comment. Banning dope is neither here nor there. Its like saying we should ban prostitution. It exists. The only question is will the government tax it or not.The reality is dope, alcohol, junk food, video games are just a few of the many tranquilizers society now uses to control the masses although some would argue these same agents can also enrage people and make them violent not just tranquilize them. Let's get real. Legalizing a vice, a recreational drug is a tax grab. It will do nothing for society but make it easier for people to kill each other in cars. It's a tax grab in two senses. One on the sale itself, the other on the plethora of fines that will result from stoned drivers being fined. What I find hilarious is law and order man Julian Fantino was the first to make himself a director of a company that will sell grass. Take a look at who one of Tudeau's biggest financial donors is-hint-he will be selling marijhuana. This is an apolitical issue. People from left to right will line up to make money on it,be fined smoking it (and driving/killing people with their cars). Its a tax grab exercise. Like wow man tax. Far out dude tax. Its like wow you get tax and we can spend it on Justin's new wardrobe when he visits Tonga man. Justin in a thong. Like wow.

No. Then you will start dancing with Justin and there is no saying what kind of chaos that will cause. One dancer is enough.

It is one of may tranquilizers used to dumb down and control the masses. It also of course will provide a new source of tax revenue. There's no shortage of agents used to tranquilize and control the masses, cell phones, internet, t.v., movies, fashion industry, Justin dancing.

Very good point and I think the above is inevitable and we will see that troika cause Justin a very hard time splintering the country like it was when his father (no not Fidel the other "father" Pierre) was Prime Minister.

I think you are right but I hope you are wrong.

Not on this forum. Trust me.

Sadly so yes.

CBC hosts. Yah think? Wierd or simply a mutual sense of dislike... you know like between me and you. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh.

I appreciate your comment but they are already here and hey one of them just got 10 mil posing as a victim. You are living in a country where the dancing Raja Prime Minister welcomes them home and thinks he will rehab them and thinks they are Italian immigrants. Mali is a quagmire. What you see now is ISIL et al moving in to Mali, Chad, Dahomey, Niger, Central African Republic, Sudan, Nigeria, Tanzania, Kenya, Burkina Faso (former Upper Volta), on and on. They are wholesale on the move to African nations where the governments are too weak to fight them. In fact the massacres in these countries is not covered in the Western press for interesting reasons. You get an attack in Paris its headlines. Engage in equally as gruesome attack in Ouagadougou the capital of Burkina Faso as just happened two weeks ago, not a peep from the Western press. Muslim radicals have been massacring people in Africa and I have to ask, why does the Western press not cover it the way they do the attacks in Europe. For that matter where is Marcus, Hudson Jones, Gost and the usual assortment of outraged anti Israelis? You think they would acknowledge let alone discuss Muslim terrorism in these countries? Fat chance. Between two faced selective phony leftists and a racist world press, you won't hear any news about it. The reality is Trudeau does not have the fortitude to deal with Islamic terrorism-it would alienate his Muslim vote in Canada where he's busy placating radical Mulllahs worhsipping in their mosques and praying with them. His Middle East advisor is Omar Alleghbra, an MP from Mississauga who is an out in the open pro Hamas pro PA-Fatah Muslim who is openly sympathetic to terrorism and anything anti semitic and anti American. Don't hold your breath Trudeau would do anything to make himself look anti Muslim in any way, shape or form. He needs his ethnc vote as his pathetic pandering in India showed or his payments and rewards to Kadr and Kadr's lawyer showed.

Now you want to name drop Thucicides. Lol. Capitalist colonialism. Nazis everywhere. Your words evidence the sentiments of someone who has never worked a day in his life or left Mummy and Daddy's basement, lives on the internet, read some philosophy and now thinks he can project on the world simplistic labels to explain things that frighten him and he does not understand. Nazis everywhere. Capitalist colonialism. Yep that's one way to evidence how simplistic and rigid your perceptions of the world are. Lol. Nazis. Capitalist colonialists. Yes Sir. Those are some deep, profound insightful labels. Congrats. You are now God. Thou hast commanded. Look upon ye capitalist colonialist Nazi sinners! Sinners they be! Cast them out! Ahahahah. Arm chair Marxist preachers. Ahahahahah.

Try understanding that even trying to talk down to me and pose as someone superior because you read the above abd think Jews are Kazars is hilarious. Lol. Run along and waste the Stormfront act with someone else.

Your statement above shows what level of discourse you are at. Zionists don't detest traditional Jewry or anything else. The fact that they define Jews as a national collective means they define Jews not just by their religious beliefs but cultural, ethnic, social and political beliefs and needs. Zionism does not define Jews as a race let alone a superior race let alone superior to anyone or anything. You like most anti semitic bafoons have no clue what Zionism stands for. Go on provide one word from any Zionist that defines Jews as a race let alone a superior one like Nazis did Germans. Go on find one word from me on this board where I stated Jews were a superior race or that I even believe in using "races" to define anyone. It does not exist. You need to go back to Stormfront.