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There's the kind of brilliant historic analysis I have come to expect on this forum from one of the experts on Jewish history.

It is amazing he would have the nerve to come on this forum at this point with not an ounce of evidence to back up his interpretations of history let alone making a sweeping attempt to deny any connection between the creation of Israel and the holocaust. Then again as you are well aware there continue to be those who deny the holocaust or why Israel was created and pretend it was a European phenomena or that Jews who left Europe for Palestine did not flee colonialism but were colonialist. Its par for the course-to revise history and dependent on the ignorance of the continuing generations further removed from the holocaust to misunderstand its impact on not just the collective psyche of Jews but Muslims and Christians.

You as usual show your arrogance with sweeping pronouncement and zero evidence to base your comment. Of course the holocaust had a bearing on the creation of modern Israel. The bottom line is numerous historians both Jewish and Gentile have discussed and taken a great detail of time to explain the connection between the holocaust and creation of Israel. The bottom line-you know nothing about this topic and again show an obsessive need to respond to put we Jews in our place. Your need to lecture we Jews as to our history and what we do and did and where we should live continues. https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9807/aronson.html http://www.history.ucsb.edu/projects/holocaust/Research/Proseminar/tomerkleinman.htm http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft Word - 3575.pdf http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israel-studies-an-anthology-the-holocaust-and-israel http://www.jewish-guide.pl/Tomasz Cebulski-Memory of the Holocaust in Israel.pdf https://www.umass.edu/events/lecture-zionism-holocaust

Bull shit. Long before you came on the board to respond to me directly I presented my position. Now you try engage me in semantics. I posted my position long before you ever came on this board to respond to me. Yah you didn't know. Ditch the vasoline. Hack your misrepresentation of my well known position on two states is not the issue. Your misrepresentation is par for the course and I expect it. The issue is in fact now how this thread is beuing used to deny what the Mullah's role was in WW2 and the holocaust, the attempt to deny a direct link between the origins of the anti Israeli Palestinian national movement and Nazis, is. That issue of course has nothing to do with the thread topic but as we can see any topic that deals with Israel is used by people like you and those on this thread to try revise the holocaust among other things. It has nothing to do about the topic. The new name on this thread hiding from me is laughable. He can use what ever name he wants his inability to respond to the information presented to him with evidence to contradict it speaks for itself. For any of you to come on this board and try down play what the Mullah Of Jerusalem did is a joke. There was at one point a contraversy as to how Netanyahyu described his role in the holocaust. The debate was not over what the Mullah in fact did which is public knowledge but his actual influence over the final decision, to be specific whether it was him personally who convinced Hitler to invoke the final solution. History now shows the final solution was something based on a collaboration long before the Mullah cheered it along. It was a fait accompli. However the actual choice of using cynide pellets and gas chambers he had a direct role in-records show he visited with Eichman and Himmler many death sites stating shooting Jews with bullets or attaching hose to exhaust pipes in trucks was not efficient enough. He lobbied continuously for use of cynide pellets and mass extermination and public record showed he wanted this done so after the Germans were finished in Europe they would help him do the same in Palestine. His actual influence on Hitler is questionable. He was a stooge. A puppet they used. They used him because his hatred of Jews was compatible with their need to use Arabs to fight the British in Palestine during WW2. The Mullah was directly responsible for recruiting Muslims into the Nazi army and engaging in a chemical attack and repeated attacks on innocent Jews and others in Palestine. To deny his role in Palestine and in the holocaust and in WW2 as minor is a crock of shit. The public records of what he did are there for anyone to find out. Inferring Porch or I made it up is bullshit. Denying what he did is bullshit. Its par for the course though in any discussion where the word Israel comes up. Its only a matter of time until the same handful of individuals tries to revise history and the holocaust among other things. As for you Ghost trying to repeatedly turn this back as a discussion on whether you are an anti-semite speaks to your narcissism and need to make everything about you and your feelings. If you can't discuss the issues don't. This is not about you. This is now about denying the role of what el Husseini did or you trying to deny the constant presence and origins of Jews in Jerusalem since prior to any Muslim presence/ Its about you or others assuming you can tell a Jew where they can live, let alone claim to represent Palestinians in Jerusalem. You are a bunch of arm chair gentiles patronizing both Palestinians and Israelis, Christians, Jews and Muslims of Jerusalem. The denial of what el Hussein did as well as this thread n my opinion exploits them all for an anti Israeli agenda. You claim now to support a two state solution and I do not. Anyone can read your past posts and mine and decide for themselves what we wrote. The thing though is no one cares but you. I certainly don't. I know what you wrote and what you stand for. That you have made clear numerous times.

Horseshit. 1. Do not pose as if you know what the majority in Israel think about the Mufti let alone that they believe he had a minimal role. That is 100% bullshit. You do not speak for or think for any Israeli. 2.He was most certainly accepted as the leader of the Palestinians that is on public record and more to the point and even if he was not, it does not change what he actually did during the holocaust. 3. Who the phack do you or Eye or anyone claim to speak for holocaust survivors let alone Jews let alone Israelis let alone anyone who disagrees with you and accuse us of trying to glorify who the Mufti is as and accuse us of direspecting the holocaust. What utter self righteous bullshit claiming to speak for me, my family, Jews, holocaust survivors. Who the phack are you or Eye to presume what we went through. Then you deny what the Mufti did an dlie and claim there is no link between Palestinians/Arabs and Nazis. Well the agenda is now out. Maymoon is it. What a joke that you holocaust denying sob's have to change your name on this forum to make it seem like there are a lot of you. What did you think if you hide from me it hides who you are? Lol. You were provided more than enough evidence what the Mufti did during WW2. You now lie. You lie that he had no link to the Nazis. You lie about that. Lie. Not misrepresent but lie. Only a liar would deny he had no link to the Nazis-someone whose political agenda is to come on this board and out and out spread misinformation deliberately. So I say go crawl back to your other name and you know where to find me. Go on run from it: http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article.php/id/2543?id=2543 http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/ http://www.bu.edu/historic/conference08/Herf.pdf https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3248081,00.html https://arabracismislamofascism.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/arab-muslim-nazism-documentation-your-reference-guide/ http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/175316 Any other of you want to change your name and run from me and revise history?

The chronology of my posts supporting a two state solution began long before you began responding to me and will continue long after you lie about my support of it.

Unlike you I disect all your words and repeat them and indicate why I disagree with them. You on the other hand admit you don't read what you challenge. My responses and yours are there for anyone to read to see which one of us reponds directly by repeating the other's quotes and then going through them.+ In fact your technique when you can not defend your quoted words which are then disected is to say you don't read what I write. Pathetic.

Pathetic. You don't read what anyone writes you disagree with. Instead you choose to lie and misrepresent what they say.

Really. Genius. Explain how someone who was on this board a year before me has lied and stated I support a two state solution. Provide the words which led you to this conclusion. Don't play games Ghost. You lied. You are well aware as is any regular on this boarfd how long I have been on the board and what my position is and for that matter what you have written. You are and I call you out a liar for stating I support a one state solution when I have written clearly and precisely over and over why I favour two states directly in opposition to what you in fact write.

What a clumsy attempt to downplay his role by trying to suggest his role can be ignored by arguing the final solution was decided a month before he cheered it. Been there. Done that. Try again. source: http://www.meforum.org/5576/husseini-hitler: " As the British historian David Motadel has recently shown in his important work Islam and Nazi Germany's War, Husseini and other Muslim clerics did play an important role in German policy in Europe but it was not by exerting an important influence on Holocaust decision-making. Rather he helped to recruit Imams who preached to tens of thousands of Muslims who fought with Wehrmacht, especially on the Eastern Front against the Red Army. While some of these units took part in actions against Jews, this considerable collaboration did not have an influence on Hitler's decision-making.... Husseini absolutely wanted to exterminate the Jews, above all, the Jews of pre-state Palestine, and then the Jews of Israel. The evidence of Husseini's pleas to kill the Jews, of his boundless hatred of Judaism as a religion and the Jews as a people is well documented in Nazi Propaganda for the Arab World...." and source:https://www.newsmax.com/PamelaGeller/Geller-mufti-holocaust-hitler/2010/02/09/id/349387/: Journalist Maurice Pearlman, author of the 1947 book "The Mufti of Jerusalem," said that the Mufti advised Eichmann on the best ways to persecute Jews. "Hitler gave the Mufti a radio station, which al-Husseini used to preach Nazism and genocide in Arabic. In one of his broadcasts, the Mufti exhorted Arabs: “According to the Muslim religion, the defense of your life is a duty which can only be fulfilled by annihilating the Jews. This is your best opportunity to get rid of this dirty race, which has usurped your rights and brought misfortune and destruction on your countries. Kill the Jews, burn their property, destroy their stores, annihilate these base supporters of British imperialism. Your sole hope of salvation lies in annihilating the Jews before they annihilate you.” Al-Husseini practiced what he preached. During the Nuremberg Trials in July 1946, Eichmann’s assistant, Dieter Wisliczeny, testified that the Mufti was a central figure in the planning of the genocide of the Jews: “The Grand Mufti has repeatedly suggested to the Nazi authorities — including Hitler, von Ribbentrop and Himmler — the extermination of European Jewry . . . The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan . . . He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chambers of Auschwitz.” Wisliczeny also testified that al-Husseini asked Heinrich Himmler to send one of Eichmann’s assistants to Jerusalem once the war was over, to aid the Mufti in “solving the Jewish question in the Middle East.” And according to the Arab Higher Committee, “In virtually identical letters, the Mufti, in the summer of 1944, approached Germany, Romania, Bulgaria, and Hungary to speed up the extermination of the Jews by sending them to Poland where the Nazi death chambers were located.” The Mufti successfully demanded that 400,000 Jews who were about to be deported to the Holy Land instead be sent to their deaths." Husseini is the very origins of the Palestinian Authority, Hamas, Hezbollah. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/202249 http://www.jerusalemonline.com/news/politics-and-military/politics/analysis-grand-mufti-hajj-amin-al-husseinis-role-in-the-holocaust-16603

You lie repeatedly. My position on a two state solution was presented long before you came on the board.

Your posing as someone who cares how Jews were treated by McKenzie King is a joke.

You know nothing about Jews, our history or our treatment during WW2 by Cuba. http://www.whitepinepictures.com/seeds/iii/36/sidebar.html http://www.dw.com/en/the-lesser-known-fate-of-jewish-refugees-in-cuba/a-16339656 http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/cuba-virtual-jewish-history-tour

Your words on this forum speak for themselves and whether the above is a subjective. manipulative, narcissistic, self-reference designed to detract from what you have actually placed on this forum in writing as to your opinions. In fact each time your anti Israel words were fed back to you and challenged, you couldn't defend them, you did what you do above, make subjective, personal, narcissistic references about yourself. Your past posts and inability to provide objective evidence to back them up in addition to how they generalized in negative slurs about all Jews Israeli or otherwise are there for anyone to find.

http://greyfalcon.us/Kosovo and Bosnia During World War II.htm http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugoslavia_collaboration.htm Above are just two of thousands of sites that document the Bosnian Muslim Nazis and what they did during WW2.

Sow me any heterosexual male who denies being sexually attracted to young women and I will show you a lying sack of crap.

Possible. Very possible.

What a stupid thing to say. Are you suggesting having a problem with an unsolicited dick is excluse to being a Liberal. Some times you say really stupid things. This is your most stupid. This has nothing to do with Liberal or Conservative and everything to do with sexual moral standards of anyone of any gender or partisan persuasion. Stop trying to turn this into a partisan issue. Should I know say your values for saying the above are required to be a sanctimonious Liberal holier than thou fart head?

He could very well have been in on that. You see how quick out of the gate he was to toss his hat in the ring and poo poo a convention?

I am voting for Argus or Godess or if I do LSD and overdose Ghost.

That is the issue summarized in a short sentence. It being taxpayers' money, that money can't be use directly or indirectly to discriminate in job selection criteria that would violate the Charter and each province's human rights code let alone the Federal human rights code. You want the law to implement the right to not hire people because they are gay or he-she or what-ever, you will have to get rid of the charter and the human rights laws.

No they have not and in fact this has nothing to do with "Liberalism". Governments must remain neutral to all constituents. They therefire can't use taxpayers' money to fund anyone whose views would discriminate against another's violating the charter. Simply put, you don't have to agree with homosexuality as a lifestyle, but you can't refuse to fire someone who is gay simply because you disapprove of his being gay. No one asks you to accept his lifestyle. Maintain your own beliefs about gays, just don't expect the government to fund your discrimination. By the way, using your reasoning the government should fund the KKK because its a religious organization and it should fund extremist Islamic terrorist groups. I can't stand Trudeau or Liberals but this is not a "liberal" issue. Its a legal issue dealing with discriminating against people's basic legal rights. In fact true conservatism would maintain the government has no business imposing individual choices of lifestyle on anyone which is precisely what it would do if it allowed its taxpayers' money to be used to discriminate.

As a Canadian of Jewish identity I can attest I am not and have never been normal..but I know what you mean.

The above is false. No one has been asked to agree with abortion or transgender rights. That is an absolute and outright lie. Any government can not give grants to anyone who will not recognize an individual's rights under the Charter. No government has asked anyone to agree with anything. What they have said is if you want government funding you can't choose ONLY people who are not transgendered or are against abortion when they apply for work and you can not use either of those beliefs (believing transgender is wrong, abortion is wrong)as criteria to hire someone-no different from you can not expect government funding to hire students then refuse to hire blacks, Jews, etc. I wouldn't worry. I doubt anyone wants to work for you. Do you even work? Yah yah. You make pointed hoods.