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You just denied connection has any relevance for the sixth time.

For most of us who are supporters of Israel we don't define Jerusalem by simplistic notions such as control. We in fact recognize a complex series of religious and spiritual connections as well as practical and physical realities. We also know damn well what neighbourhoods are lived in or "controlled" by Ultra-orthodox Jews, ( many who do not recognize the state of Israel's existence), non religious Jews, Muslim Israelis, Christian Israelis and non Israeli citizen Christians and Muslims. We see Jerusalem as a tri-cultural city that will always hold religious meaning to at minimum Judaism, Christianity and Islam. In an ideal world if there was no terrorism there would be a trilateral city with no need for an Israeli military presence. Unlike you I don't presume and I have the right to tell any citizen of Jerusalem a damn thing. I treat them all as equal in rights and beliefs. I don't define them by what they control or don't control. That to me is a stupid and idiotic fiction you fabricated because you like to hear yourself fart out loud. I do not presume to tell any Israeli or Palestinian a damn thing. Not a damn thing. They will come up with their own solutions and they will. One day when terrorism ends these things will sort themselves out in spite of people like you, Hudson Jones, Marcus et al egging on Jews and Palestinians like pit bulls in a dog fight. That's our difference. I am proud to say I rehabilitate dogs abused by people like you and those dogs taught me never to give up in believing goodness prevails despite people like you.

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.Without the control the connection means nothing. The above are your words. I also reproduced not just the above words but all your other posts indicating you denied having a connection to Jerusalem historically gives Israel the right to call Jerusalem its capital. You then try a stupid, clumsy attempt at semantics trying to deny your denial that Israel has no right to Jerusalem by trying to create an artificial argument that when you say having a connection means nothing, it doesn't deny that connection. Oh no you didn't deny it, you just denied it has any relevance. Not only do you want to play that stupid pathetic attempt at semantics, but then you claim control and nationhood are the only qualifications for being allowed to claim a city its capital, admit Israel has controlled Jerusalem 80 years but still argue it has no right to Jerusalem and then you come back denying your contradictions not once but 5 times with me. This is why you have zero credibility. You don't have the balls when you are clearly exposed contradicting yourself to know when to walk away. Its not the first or the last.

The thing about you which is clear for all to see Mr. Gost is that you deny Israel's right to claim Jerusalem as its capital saying its spiritual connection is not relevant only actual control of it is relevant. Then you state Israel has been in control of Jerusalem 80 years but continue to deny it should have Jerusalem as its capital not withstanding that control. Oh let's summarize what your words I reproduced show shall we Mr. Gost....: 1. You are quick to deny in the very same sentence what you contend, i.e., your March 7 post where you stated and I quote without the control the connection means nothing which clearly denies the Israeli connection to Jerusalem and therefore the right that comes from that connection. 2. Your attempt to back step and play semantics with the words "connection" and "control". You make it clear Israel's spiritual connection is irrelevant to its right to call Jerusalem its capital. You try defend that argument of saying the Jewish spiritual connection does not create a right to call Jerusalem the Jewish capital because without control it means nothing. 3. You admit Israel has been in control of Jerusalem 80 years but oopsy even though Israel has controlled Jerusalem 80 years its not relevant to you. Lol. 4. I also showed in a previous reply you of course hide from this statement: "you must have a nation to claim a city as its capital". Lol, when you are told Israel is a nation you ooopsy skipped responding to that comment. 5. You have now three times denied that the words you stated " Without control the connection means nothing." denies Israel's right to the capital of Jerusalem. Once in the very sentence when you first stated it. Now Mr. Gost denial is a sad thing. Its also the largest river in the world. Go spin out of this one. Lol.

Posted March 1 The Jews lost ancient Israel centuries ago. Why do the Jews get their land back after all this time? Posted March 1 How am I misrepresenting the Jewish connection? There is a difference between having connection and having control. The control aspect is what I was speaking of. Posted March 1 The Jews lost a long time ago. What's the complaint here? Posted March 1 So was there ever a time where Jews were not on CONTROL of Jerusalem? Posted March 1 I thought this was about moving Israel's capital to Jerusalem and recognizing all of Jerusalem as part of Israel. Hence it is about control. Posted March 1 What is the relevance to the Jews not being in control of Jerusalem for centuries? The fact is Jerusalem has been in Jewish control (again) for only the last 80-100 years.. Posted March 1 I guess my statement should be that Jerusalem has only been back in Jewish control for about the last 80 years. Posted March 3 Jews can claim some historical religious connection to Jerusalem which I am not denying at all. However, you must have a nation to claim a city as it's capital. And you must remain in control of the capital. There were centuries where the Jews simply did not control Jerusalem. Posted March 7 Where have I denied the connection? Right, no where. It was the CONTROL of Jerusalem. Without the control the connection means nothing.

In regards to your first sentence and second sentence you've never been to Israel and therefore your opinions mean very little. You have no clue as to the actual nature of the proximity between Palestinian terrorists and Israeli citizens-none, not a clue and that means your opinion is necessarily defective. Its based on arm chair conjecture from a sheltered world where you have never walked or lived in a world of terrorists. The wall by the way separates as many Israelis as it does Palestinians from schools and hospitals but yah you knew that,. You also knew that what you call "Palestinian land" is an assumption you make based on your political bias. Internationally recognized Israeli territory does not exist. The Arab League of nations and majority of UN nations will not recognize any Jewish state. Yah you knew that. Next under international law no Israel border has ever been defined. Yah you knew that. Next, any internationally recognized Israeli border can not FORCE Israel to agree to a border that would endanger its citizens and expose them to terrorist attacks. Yah you knew that. Yah you also know since the wall went up in-coming terror attacks from the West Bank all but stopped. This is why now people like you who don't see the wall as a defensive measure are considered idiots by people like me. You have no clue how many terrorists attacks used to come in from the West Bank and how they stopped after the wall went up. Not a clue. I disagree with your third paragraph because unlike you I have lived and worked in Israel, the West Bank, the Sinai and Jordan as a volunteer. What I know first hand and you have no clue about is that the so called right wing parties you talk about have names. You haven't a clue who those parties are. What you clearly can't fathom is that these right wing parties are empowered because they are fueled by Palestinian terrorism. Their existence is fed by Palestinian terrorism. If there was no Palestinian terrorism their very raison d'etre would end. Their purpose of demanding absolute defense to terrorism of Palestinians would end. The quickest way to empower Israeli moderates and enable us to reach out to Palestinian moderates is to disarm and defang terrorists no different than the British had to do with the IRA before peace talks could come about. You have no clue what I stand for or how I defend Palestinian rights. You assume because I fight Palestinian terrorism, I hate all Palestinians. I do not and I am typical of who you would meet in Israel, someone not formally religious and who is forced to fight because the PA who you defend have a charter calling for violence and terror as justifiable means to destroy Israel. The PA and Hamas and indeed their bretheren on this form call for the one state solution. You do know what that is hmmm? Its a euphemism for killing all the Jews and turning Israel Jordan and the West Bank into a sharia law state. See that is the difference between us. I have lived there. I know the difference between an Israel and a Palestinian, an extremist terrorist Palestinian from a moderate one and a moderate Israeli from what you think are extremist ones. I have always defended the right for Palestinians to have a state. I have always challenged their refusal to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. I have always challenged their belief that the only solution as it says in their charter is one sharia law state where Israel, Jordan and the West Bank are. Unlike you I deal with what the PA and Hamas actually stand for. I don't pretend they recognize an Israeli state and simply want to live side by side Israel and are picked on for no reason and that the only problem is caused by Israeli settlers. I don't buy that shit you do because my life is not dependent on reading web-sites about conflict zones I claim to be an expert on its about living with the very people you assume to know and watching them die. You blame Israel all you want. In my analysis I don't blame either side. That is nonsensical. In any conflict there is no side that is worse or more evil or badder as you say more to blame. That is bullshit. Its a rationalization for you having an anti Israeli bias. In my analysis both sides are equally as culpable for the conflict for many complex reasons. There is no culprit. What there is, and you really do need to appreciate is a Muslim religion that defines Jews as well as other non Muslims as not being equal to Muslims. Its called sharia law and dhimmitude. It is the belief no Jew can own land and therefore have their own state. Its a religious belief. As long as it prevails and as long as Islam teaches its people Jews and non Muslims are dhimmi, second class without the right to own land, this conflict will continue. Its not an accident the PA, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, ISIL, Islamic Jihad, Intifada, Fatah Hawks and Eagles, quote the Koran and justify their political views of the denial of a Jewish as Muslim religious beliefs they quote from the Koran. You live in some antiseptic wifi world of sound bite articles written by people who have no clue about Jewish history, the Muslim religion or the extent of terrorism on the West Bank and in Gaza not to mention the Muslim on Muslim violence in the Middle East that has gone on for 4,000 years. The dispute over Palestine with Jews is but one of hundreds of thousands of disputes with Muslims all across the world and particularly in the Middle East.

Your posing as thinking you can tell we Jews what we can claim is ignorant, bigoted and patronizing. You have zero role in telling any Jew what we can and can not think. This delusion you have that you tell Jews what we can think is past pathological on this and other threads-it shows an engrained superiority complex, an uncontrolled, pathological drive to control and put Jews in our place Herr Gost. Sorry those days are over Herr Gost. You don't get to tell us where to walk, how to talk, what to wear. Next using your comment " you must have a nation to claim a city as its capital and you must remain in control of the capital is hilarious. According to that reasoning Israel has the only right to Jerusalem at this time. I point that out because when I point out how stupid and contradictory your comments have become you call it conjecture. No its your own words. How about you read your own words above before you write as you did: "That backs up my argument more than it does for Rue's." In fact you contradict everything you stated about why Jews should have no capital in Jerusalem with the above statement. Lol.

In every one of your posts. Its there for anyone to read. Do your fly up. If you point that thing and then deny its tiny, its kind of silly don't you think?

No the point is not simple. You call it simple because you project your own simplistic stereotypes to complex historic conflicts. The fact you use a term like Nazi colony of Palestine shows you have a pronounced anti Israeli and anti semitic bias. Calling Israelis Nazis engages in holocaust inversion. Its an old and tiresome anti-Semitic device. Next you pose as if you spoke with and represent now th eopinions of as you call them, "many persons born Jewish hated everything Jewry stood(sic) and decided their future was to become yet another, boring tedious Volk after the Nazi model...while the Great Model murdered normal decent Jewish people." You create then project your own bizarre conceptualization of " many persons born Jewish" who supposedly "hated everything Jewry stood (sic)". Who are these Jews and how did you determine they exist. What method did you use to determine and identify them and their opinions? You of course did nothing of the sort. You simply invented this category and it represents a figment of your projections of Jews. They don't exist. Go on prove they exist. Provide how you determined them. Which method of measurement and verification did you engage in? Then you make the comment that the Zionist concept of the collective Jewish identity is based on "Volk" and the Nazi model. This then renders how lacking in credibility your comments and shows your complete and utter ignorance as to what Zionism is. All you have done is recycle the Zionists are Nazis canard. Its not original however in each and every anti Israeli thread its only a matter of time until an anti semite like you equates Israelis as Nazis. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/casting-zionism-as-white-nationalism-is-anti-semitism_us_599683b7e4b033e0fbdec2e2 The Zionism is racism (Nazism) canard is old and was created in fact by the KGB. Palestinians that are anti Israeli openly supported Hitler and to this day Hamas, Hezbollah and the PA openly applaud Hitler and their terrorists goosestep and give the Nazi salute. http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-soviets-started-zionismracism.html I myself would not waste any energy explaining the difference between Nazism and Zionism to you other than to provide these and to say seeing you on this thread should be no surprise to anyone: http://www.meforum.org/3299/war-against-jews hhttp://progressiveisrael.org/refuting-canard-of-zionist-nazi-collaboration/ When you are done with your pathetic attempts to slur Jews and Israelis as Nazis go provide the Zionist literature and bring it here and show where it defines Jews as a race, let alone a superior race. Go show where it defines the Jewish collective as a race based on superior genetic codes. Lol. You are a fool. You haven't got a clue that Jews are not a race we are a collective based on many things OTHER than race. We have used dna to prove our ancestors came from Israel contrary to people like you pretending we are not real but that is about it. We Jews would never claim we are a race. We are like all humans a mix of many peoples and we range from pale white to dark black with every variation in between including Indian and Chinese. Run along and burn a cross on someone's lawn and stop using a thread on Jerusalem as a pretense to spew hatred about Jews. You do have one use. You show how the anti Israeli left and the neo Nazi right speak the same language and prove my point as to what fascists the whole lot of you are posing as trendy leftists. Zeig Heil.

No. The above is your subjective opinion. Its not a fact. Again you spew absolute decrees like you are some infallible Holy Gost. Get off the toilet. The Jewish connection to Jerusalem never ended. The fact Jews did not rule Jerusalem did not mean their spiritual connection to it ended. Its people never stopped living in Jerusalem and Palestine and never stopped their religious practices or living within their collective communities within Palestine. As numerous rulers came and went. Jews continued to live and survive following their own sets of rules and laws within the greater states imposed by rulers who came and went. Your comment is stupid. If what you said is true, and you don't ever think when you write, then using your logic, since the Israelis rule the West Bank the Palestinian feelings towards it mean nothing. Palestinians have never controlled anything. They have never been a nation. In fact the term Palestinian as its used today only came about in 1967 and means a Muslim who wants a Sharia law state in Israel, Jordan and the West Bank and wants to live under sharia law and expel Jews and Christians and any other Muslim with a land title, which is in fact how the PA and Hamas define the word. A collective of Muslims in specific geographic areas whose sole vision is wanting a sharia law state where Jordan and Israel are now situated and who do not control that land they want is exactly what Palestinians are. The actual fact is Palestinians are no more or less connected to where they live than Israelis are. That is the only fact. The rest is your contradictory subjective bull shit. Collectives like Jews, Palestinians, don't exist only when they control land. They both have equal rights to call themselves what they want and claim connections to the land. Neither is right or wrong. You choose to ignore the Jewish connection in favour of the Palestinian one. You show just how full of shit you are because Palestinians control no land yet you side with their claim to take over Israel and turn it into a sharia law state.

Your first statement is ignorant. You falsely suggest that since there was no Jewish kingdom, Jews stopped living as a state. You are wrong and yet another self proclaimed expert on Jewish history. You of course missed the point which is Jews remained as a collective community within the area of Palestine even after they ceased being its "ruler". The fact that there were other leaders, did not mean they did not remain as a collective community (state) with their own leaders and laws. The myth that you have to control others to be considered a state or a collective is nonsense. Jews returned to Israel because they never left Israel and always remained connected to where they came from. That's precisely why they returned. They were indigenous to the lands they returned to. This idiot notion they should have made a state in Germany or as Churchill once felt make a state in Uganda missed the point as you and all those ignorant of Jewish history do. Israel is the indigenous land of the Jews. That's why they went back their. The false narrative that Jews were colonialists from Europe who moved there is just that. In fact the Arab League Armies were from Britiain and French colonial invented states. In fact the Arab League Armies like their governments were rub by the British, French, Nazi Germans then Soviets. The only non colonial indigenous people in the Middle East who refused to be colonial puppets were the Jews and Druze and certain Beduin tribes who in fact donated land to Jews and fought beside them along with the Druze. You clearly have no clue about the history of Jews and from the sounds of it could care less. No not all Jews who came to Israel were from Nazi Germany contrary to your false stereotype. In fact 700,000 Jews who started the nation were expelled from Arab nations. Most Jewish immigrants from Europe were not even German but in fact came from other European states and they came not simply because of Hitler but because after the war, the nations liberated by the allies (the US, Britain) refused to give back stolen businesses and properties to Jewish survivors. In the nations taken over by the Soviets, any Jew who did not swear allegiance to Stalin and denounce their Jewishness were arrested. But hey its easy just say Hitler did it. No Hitler may have implemented the holocaust but contrary to your simplistic stereotype it took a hell of a lot of people not just Hitler but in many countries to steal the property of and kill Jews, not that you noticed. I doubt you have a clue the UN refused to help Jews displaced after the war and turned its back on them. In fact Elenor Roosevelt the wife of the deceased Franklin Roosevelt, the High Commissioner for Jewish Refugees of the UN was ignored by them and it was she single handedly who fought the world, the entire world after WW2 demanding Jews be allowed to go to Palestine as no one else wanted them in Europe but that was only the European Jews. Jews in the Middle East had been subject to attacks in all the pro Nazi Arab colonial empires sympathetic to Hitler and then the British after WW2 who occupied Palestine and tried to prevent a Jewish state to placate their Arab oil allies. You know zero about Jewish history since the Roman Empire ended. Jews never stopped living as a collective community with its own leaders within the continuing change of rulers up until 1949.

No here it is. Your attempt to deny the Jewish connection to Jerusalem by re-writing history and using the word control was clumsy and failed. Your presuming to tell Jews they should create Israel in Germany and then trying to defend that idea speaks loudly as to the smell coming out of your words. What your words? I mean what? You suggest Jews build a nation where the holocaust was created and be questioned for that? You? I mean question you for not understanding why a Jew let alone any holocaust survivor would not want to start their life again in Germany is hateful? Oh hell no. Its sensitive. Its loving. Its affectionate. It shows a genuine affection for Jews and holocaust survivors it makes perfect sense. What how could anyone question your words right Gost. Its about control. Isn't it? Yes in one cheek you suggest Jews have no right to Jerusalem as they don't control it, then with the other cheek suggest they build a nation where they had no connection or control. Makes sense. Its logical. That's the thing about you. You never state anything contradictory, deliberately hateful, etc. The only thing from you are words of love for Jews and a respect and knowledge of Jewish history. There it is. Here it is again.

Some have their children taken away by Children's Aid. However there is a difference which I doubt your leftwing mind can fathom between sending a child to Pakistan to terrorist training camp and then sending them to engage in terrorism in Afghanistan, as compared to passing on bigoted subjective opinions to children. I appreciate in your world anyone who does not have the exact same opinion as you is a red neck, problem is some of us consider your opinions to be fascist and reactionary. Getting back to the original issue of the thread, Trudeau now uses the court system for political patronage payback something this two faced sob once criticized Harper for.

Kadr belongs in jail as does his mother and sister.

Capricorn we need to talk.

Cut the crap Herr Gost. Lol. You try bait, taunt and streer this conversation back to you each and every time to try play your continuous victim role. Lol. Look at me!!!!!I am a victim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The Jews accuse me of hating them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EEEEEYAH. Its not about you Herr Gost although I must say your suggestion that Jews build their country on the ashes of holocaust dead and on top of gas chambers and death sites shows such love and affection for Jews. It was a lovely idea.

Oh come on one state solution. You know what that means. Freedom for all. Ahahahahahahah.

You live in a fantasy world where you can't admit the terrorism you support has achieved nothing not just for Palestinians but any Muslims or anyone else who has tried to rely on it to impose their lifestyles. Of course you responded with the above, you can't provide one thing terrorism has obtained or achieved for Palestinians. Instead you try promote this ridiculous concept that if hatred is widespread, that makes it legitimate. One state solution. Lol. Yah. One sharia law Muslim state. Lol. No one reads your crap just you and your names Moe.

That was intelligent and it really helped clarify.

Yes. The UN can NOT bass legally binding resolutions over international issues and there is a reason the International Court of Justice issues " an advisory opinion" and not a legally enforceable decision. In fact the "advisory opinion" is only that an "advisory opinion". It is in fact an OPINION not a legal decision. There is a reason its an OPINION. It is an opinion because its not enforceable. Where the opinion is subject to further discussion which renders it non binding is it can not prevent the construction of a wall if it can be shown that wall prevents terrorist attacks. If the wall can be demonstrated to prevent terrorist attacks then that wall becomes a defensive tool which ANY sovereign state is allowed to use to protect itself. There is no doubt at all, from a social an emotional perspective the construction of the wall causes collective psychological damage to the people in the West bank who are not in support of Israel's existence. If that was the only issue in deciding its validity then that would be it. The fact is the UN can make all the POLITICAL statements it wants but it can not say and prevent any sovereign state including Israel from creating safe defensible borders. Palestinians can be their own worst enemy. Had they chosen the path of Ghandi and not terrorism all their arguments would work. They can not however argue they are entitled to all the things they argue while they elect terrorists as their leaders who are in a declared state of war to remove Israel and turn it into a Sharia law state which the PA and Hamas in their Charters openly state. You can't legally have it both ways. You can't openly declare you stand for the violent destruction of Israel including attacking Jews worldwide with one cheek, and then in the other demand the very international laws you claim to ignore to defend your right to do so. The anti Israelis on this board limp along with a pathetic PA script which poses the PA of having clean hands and being a follower of international law. The PA does not have clean hands. As we speak it has a wing, Al Fatah that is engaging in war crimes, internal law violations, Human Rights violations yet this criminal, demands the UN protect and defend it. The UBN lost any credibility when it reinvented a definition of refugee for Palestinians no other refugee in the world is allowed to have. It then further removed any credibility when it was shown and refused to stop its vehicles and bases on the West Bank and in Gaza from being used by Hamas and the PA as weapons storage and attack sites. The UN lost any credibility when it knew Hamas and the PA were shooting rockets right next to UN peacekeeping sites so that if the Israeli Defence Forces short back at that site it would kill UN observers. The Canadian armed forces repeatedly advised the UN to tell Hamas and the PA to stop using UN observer points like they did civilian apartments, hospitals, schools and mosques, but the UN said nothing. The days of the UN being a neutral peace mediator are long since over. The UN allowed "peace-keeping" Chinese troops in Syria to build elaborate missile rail systems to be used by Hezbollah to attack Israel. The UN has allowed its hospitals to be used to store weapons and be used as military headquarters by Hamas and the PA. Its reports against Israel were even exposed as incorrect by Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International which are far from supporters of Israel. Bottom line is the Arab League and Iran have compromised the ability of the UN to have any neutral peace role in the Middle East not just with the Israeli-Palestinian dispute but the thousands of other disputes in the Middle East. The anti Israels only focus on the Israeli Palestinian dispute as if its the only one while in fact the entire Muslim world of the Middle East is paralyzed by thousands of disputes. As we speak numerouisAfrican nations have internal civil wars raging with Muslim terrorist groups. Mail, Rwanda, Malawi, Central African Republic, Burkinea Faso (the former Upper Volta), Chad, Dahomey, Senegal, Nigeria, Sudan, Tunisia, Algeria, former Spanish Sahara, Ethiopia, Egypt,Somalia, Eritrea, Tanzania, Kenya. Then there are Muslim exrtremuist cells causing havoc in the Philippines, Russia, China, Pakistan, Afghanistan, certain islands in Indonesia, Bangladesh, villages in Sri Lanka, inner cities across Europe responsible for terror attacks. The world is covered in disputes with Muslim extremist cells. Where and what has the UN done? It can't do a thing. Did it as it said disarm Hezbollah? Was it able to prevent the genocide of Kurds by Iran, Turkey and Iraq? Where was the UN when the leader of Turkey shut down his press, locked up his opposition? Where has the UN been in regards to Yemen, Bahrain? Where is the UN as Arab League nations allow and trade in the illegal sale of cheap African, Pakistani, Bangla Deshi, Fillipinno, Indonesian labour? Where was the UN duringt he massacre of Yazidi, Bahaiis, gays, students in Muslim nations? Where has it been when women of have had their genitals mutilated or have been stoned to death? Hmmmmm? The UN why we even discussing it in this thread. I will tell you why. Because this is the UN that turned its back on the Jews of the world in 1949 and waited for the Arab League of Nations to finish what Hitler started and then when that failed did NOTHING. This is the UN that had to be shamed by Elenor Roosevelt to back off and not prevent her from helping Jews of the Middle East Muslim nations that defined Jews as inferiors not able to own land had to flee to Israel along with holocaust survivors. The UN? http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/un-and-israel-history-discrimination https://www.dailywire.com/news/11819/heres-what-you-need-know-about-uns-israel-hatred-james-barrett Hell even the former head of the UN admtis how bias the UN is agaibnst Israel: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/171010 The bottom line is, the future of Jerusalem is up to Israelis and Palestinians living in Jerusalem, not the UN, not the anti Israeli pissantes, not some arm chair leftists who have never been to the West Bank or Israel and haven't a clue which big nose they see is Arab or Israeli.

You read an article that said 40% of illegals come by air. That article is not accurate anymore. In fact most illegal immigrants in the US are people who overstay their visas and like Canada are most likely to be from China or India which would be people who come from air yes but as well there are huge movements of people by container ships, or motor vehicles trains and trucks as well. In fact illegals by air only become illegal usually after overstaying their visa. If you are talking smuggled illegals then its containers on ships, trains and trucks or people hidden in compartments of trucks and cars or by tunnel. Surface travel is done but its not the major source and people under estimate the ability of US border patrols to pick up on movements due to satellite technology now. They may not catch them until they are across the border but they are catching them. Illegals from Mexico but who are not necessarily Mexicamn are going to come in, hidden in cars, trucks, containers on ships, trains, trucks and by tunnel. In fact Mexican citizen migration levels are in decline as less Mexicans are having children, and there are more jobs now in Mexico. If anything the people coming across the Mexican border could be Central or South American or West Indian if they haven't tried to get in my Florida or other Gulf coast or Atlantic coast boats ranging in size from rafts to large container ships and trawlers. Whether walls will be effective I agree with you is questionable. Its easy to dig under them. It does not stop tunnels. I mean the volume of people climbing over walls where they do exist is not the significant source of illegals and never was. Wall building is a political pandering exercise. It turns the intangible into tangible it provides an easy eye reference to a very complex series of movements of people. Its based on the simplistic idea that people walk into the US easily. They have the US mixed up with Canada where Trudeau has enabled illegals to flow into Canada by simply walking in collapsing our screening system and making a farse of any immigration or refugee laws we had. The fact is illegal US immigrants came in with full knowledge of state governments for many years as they fully understood they did the sweat jobs (farming, factory, cotton picking) Americans were not going to do. Mexicans now are not as hard pressed to come to the US as free trade with the US made it easier for them to build cars in Mexico and set up cattle, pig and farm operations that export into the US not to mention the garment business. Mexicans went to the US for jobs that now exist in Mexico because of free trade. Ironically Trump wants to end free trade with Mexico the very thing that has curtailed their movement into the US. Trump wants to end free trade with Mexico and Canada to try end Canadian and Mexican trade advantages. He wants it both ways. No Mexican illegals coming for work, but when they stay behind and have work, he wants that work ended as its too competitive with US work. That said the majority of Americans want a wall, and its their right to build one. Its a sovereign issue. What Yanks do within their borders is their right. They want to build walls, its their right. I don't think Mexicans were a true criminal or terrorist threat to the US in fact they provided a cheap source of under the table labour. Now that they under free trade can stay home I am not sure what Trump is thinking singling out Mexicans and trying to end their jobs by ransacking NAFTA. If he puts them out of work they will be forced to head to the US again. Some argue Trump is building the walls knowing they will be useless and his real agenda is to end NAFTA to get the cheap Mexican labour out of Mexico annd back into the US as illegals so they can be paid again under the table under minimum wage knowing they will just dig tunnels. Mexicans right now are no more than 28% of illegals in the US and the majority of Mexican illegals have been in the US more than 10 years or more. Today's illegal in the US is most likely a Chinese or Indian student overstaying their student visa. All that said the walls were not something Trump has created. In fact Obama started the building of them during his first term in office, not Trump and through-out his 8 year tenure Obama approved funding for their construction. Trump is simply continuing what was already started. Obama wanted to grant amnesty to illegals, Trump does not. That's the real difference in their approach to illegals. Even the screening of Muslims or people from certain nations was going on in the Obama era no different than it was back when Regan, Clinton and Bush reigns.

I ran out of likes today or I would have put a couple more for the AccountNow and Andromeda.

No its in direct response. This choosing a terrorist defence lawyer for the bench continues his exercise of arrogance to institutionalize in our legal system his concept of what is politically correct which includes undermining the sanctity of jury decisions, and the molly coddling of terrorists and their supporters. I editedy response so you don't pull the above crap to avoid Trudeau's pro terrorist crap. Now knock yourself out denying his paying off Kadr was not a political decision, his appointment of Kadr's lawyer was not a political decision, or Trudeau is not responsible for travelling with a terrorist to India and lecturing to Indians that Trudeau knows better than they how to handle convicted terrorists. You think at this point blaming the Indian government for his deliberate decision to have his wife pose with a terrorist will work? Where were you when he didn't vent the Islamic attack story with the school girl, or the person accused of serial sexual assault and abductions who he posed with on this individual's return from captivity by ISIL? What you think these screening lapses can be blamed on some dumbo MP who can't tie his shoes? Go on apologize for Trudeau and give me a lecture on the Charter of Rights and how this individual who traveled to India is a rehabilitated terrorist who our cowardly PM has now suddenly thrown under the bus now he no longer is a prop that can be used to push the cult of Justin. The irony is-that Trudeau's phony, insincere manipulative attempt to use his family as trained monkeys for photo shoots to pander to Indo Canadians has resulted in his now trying to now blame the Indian government in a conspiracy theory not to mention abandoning the very terrorist he had his wife pose with. But hey, you would have us believe Trudeau is such an idiot, such an incompetent he has his wife pose with convicted murderers and does not know this. What a genius. That's some hero you have. Lol. So which one is it. Is he a complete idiot or a cowardly manipulative racist? I say both. look whose come to dance for his tea why its no other than Justin the Maharaji swirl and wirl and swoosh with my wrists oops I forgot to vent by patronage lists how did that brown man get next to my wife I do not know him I swear on my life I have no idea how he got that close surely he must be some Indian ghost well say I know I will blame my MP and stand in the Commons and say oopsy then if that doesn't work well I will blame the Indian PM he's a jerk and while I am at it I will appoint as a judge a terrorist's lawyer cuz I hold no grudge I mean just cuz he got Kard 10 million doesn't mean he shouldn't now award a trillion this is Canada where we support terrorists unless they are citizens and volunteer to be jurists then we piss on them and challenge their decisions with tears and righteous speeches for the televisions Canada you see can do much better quick someone put that in a letter by Sophie Truedough

Posted Wednesday at 04:02 PM I see, so in other words you know no more about him that I do. That is fine, and it is fine to have an opinion. I am just pointing out that an uniformed opinion is just that. The appointment of this lawyer continues Trudeau's pandering for ethnic votes and undermining of the legal system to try control its decisions to favour his own policies. The fact that the Liberal party of Canada used the India visit as a pandering photo shoot to woo "Indian" voters in Canada thinking the NDP leader might bleed that very vote away. The Liberal Party are racists. They think if Trudeau and his family dress up in ethnic costumes and pose and dance an Indian dance, its oh so cute and they can send the films and photos back home, to all Indo Canadians who are idiot sheep and will love Trudeau and blindly vote for him. It's a racist concept. All Justin did was put on black face and sing Mammy Mammy like Eddie Cantor did years ago on broadway. He's a manipulate racist. He's a crass, pathetic, racist who panders to ethnics trying to immitate how he thinks they dance and dress and think. The problem is his stereotype comes out of fantasy land of the rich. Did you see him dirty his costume visiting any shanty towns? Hmmmm? Wjo Justin walk the actual streets of an Indian city's streets and have to walk around cows and beggers..who Justin? He put a rich elite bubble around him and orchestrated his fantasy visit making sure he did not get close to one normal, average Indian on the street. Spare me His acting like Rue Paul on the run away after an over dose of curry is ridiculou s. The fact is Trudeau coddled the terrorist Kadr and paid back his lawyer and then coddled a terroris in India t to the point of having him pose with one of his trained organ grinder monkeys, Sophie. The coddling of terrorists is exactly what India has challenged Trudeau of doing and all of us who saw how he handled Kadr know this except you Trudeau cultists. The entire Liberal Party from top to bottom are cowards for not admitting putting that terrorist on the list was not an accidennt. Trying to deflect with a bullshit conspiracy story was the bottom of the bottom and blatant cowardice. Not only does Trudeau suck up to terrorists, but when he's caught with them, doesn't have the balls to defend them-instead he blames the government of India and his MP. What a spineless coward. Then he rewards pro terrorist lawyers and you want to pretend his appointment was not based on politics and a pay back? The MP from BC is a patsy to distance Trudeau from his incompetence and deliberate decision to coddle terrorists not just in Canada but in India. Then yesterday, there was the idiot Security Minister Ralph Goodale choking on his words cornered by the press unable to defend the incompetence and then who suddenly by sheer coincidence pops out to divert the press just long enough for Goodale to run and escape the questions, the fall guy MP. What pathetic cowardice. Got news for you. Your Prime Minister is an idiot. He fell for a fake claim by a young Muslim girl who claimed to be attacked in a race crime without waiting for the story to be verified to pander to Muslims. He then invited a sexually deranged rapist held captive by ISIL and posed with his baby only yet again to see that individual charged with sex crimes. Who Trudeau vent before pandering? Hah. What a crock of crap to blame the MP. Its Trudeau's office that is supposed to security clear and vent ANYONE going on a state trip with him not the MP. Trudeau is responsible. The responsibility begins and ends with him. Using a fall guy t is cowardice. It shows you think Trudeau should be protected from the failures of his office and his own stupidity and that he should continue sucking the backsides of terrorists and travelling to other countries to tell them to do the same. Wake up he went to the Punjab and lectured its governor that he handles Siekh separatist terrorists in a different manner. Where were you? Your PM just appointed to the bench the defense lawyer for Kadr. That was a political reward for defending Kadr. This is a Prime Minister who just finished trying to pander to aboriginals by deliberately making comments designed to incite with anger aboriginals and undermine our legal system in not one but two homicide cases. What world do you live in? The one I live in is Justin pandering to ethnics. Its Justin and an MP with a majority Muslim riding in Ontario using a mass murder in a Quebec mosque to pander to the Muslim vote deliberately stigmatizing and signalling out only anti Islam violence as a problem immediately after the shootings. This is a PM who uses events to try get himself brownie points. He used the shooting in Quebec to pander to Muslims. He used the not guilty verdicts in Saskatchewan and Manitoba to pander for aboriginal votes. He tried to use the absurd photo-dance shoot in India to pander to the Indo-Canadian community for votes. He now has rewarded the Kadr defence lawyer undermining the legal system by controlling the appointment of a Judge simply because that Judge supports Trudeau's political beliefs.. Trudeau can pander, prance, twitch his hips and flap his wrists and giggle to the cameras-he's a spineless, gutless, terrorist apologist shallow bafoon.