betsy
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Get over this love affair with your self.
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http://www.google.cat/imgres?imgurl=http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_V09RaSn5H04/S_sNt6cSHLI/AAAAAAAAAP0/S_J5Lc6FFcU/s640/Malachi.jpg&imgrefurl=http://perpetualrose.blogspot.com/2010/05/believe-in-abortion-this-will-change.html&usg=__alKk6S0VGEJg9bID4dn6VkW7kWE=&h=355&w=400&sz=25&hl=en&start=10&zoom=1&tbnid=s0_QTPamJZSxMM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=129&ei=eKdzTY6oKs-Ctgelr6GEDw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dabortion%2Bpictures%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D1362%26bih%3D513%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=361&oei=D6dzTbntAoep8AaVjdmCDw&page=2&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:17,s:10&tx=83&ty=57 then -- 1873 "When we consider that woman are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit." -- Elizabeth Cady Stanton, organizer of the first Women's Convention, Seneca Falls, N.Y., 1848 Now... "We really need to get over this love affair with the fetus ..." -- Dr. Joycelyn Elders, former U.S. Surgeon General* "My Body, My Choice" -- NOW (National Organization for Women)
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I repeat: There is no longer the stigma or shame attached to an unwed mother! There are contraceptives nowadays. Birth control of all kinds. From devices to pills. There's even the morning-after pill! If you fear childbirth pains, wouldn't you make darn sure - doubly or triply sure - you never get pregnant? Duh? There is no more excuse for the senseless killings of the most defenceless humans on this planet! NONE! This is where your so-called compassion lies: http://www.google.cat/imgres?imgurl=http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/abortion-rights.jpg&imgrefurl=http://tothewire.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/cavemans-response-to-fox-news-post-by-tothewire/&usg=__r0y4D_DXgzYFzde5WpiRvszEI4Q=&h=405&w=500&sz=43&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=g-MZ2-ypPDNLoM:&tbnh=167&tbnw=206&ei=pending&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dabortion%2Bpictures%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D1362%26bih%3D513%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=156&vpy=216&dur=481&hovh=202&hovw=250&tx=178&ty=208&oei=cpNzTaKSHsK88gbLy62KDw&page=1&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0 It's just for expediency! For whom? For those women who don't want to be inconvenienced for 9 months! Hitler had "rationalized" his evil for what he considered "good" for his race. Oh how you hate Hitler....and yet you rationalize your evil for plain and shallow expediency. EXPEDIENCY. If you have the gall to rabidly defend and support mass-murders of fetuses, at least have the gall to call it for what it is!
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http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2010/05/gallop_poll_the.php&usg=__g_Fc1izh4D3YCjwafX1GQKql93E=&h=438&w=584&sz=53&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=tukAjB1u89RZ3M:&tbnh=167&tbnw=247&ei=AJJzTZfTN8GB8gbznfTYCw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dabortion%2Bpictures%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1362%26bih%3D513%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=160&vpy=137&dur=210&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=77&ty=75&oei=AJJzTZfTN8GB8gbznfTYCw&page=1&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0'>http://www.google.cat/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hyscience.com/abortion.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2010/05/gallop_poll_the.php&usg=__g_Fc1izh4D3YCjwafX1GQKql93E=&h=438&w=584&sz=53&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=tukAjB1u89RZ3M:&tbnh=167&tbnw=247&ei=AJJzTZfTN8GB8gbznfTYCw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dabortion%2Bpictures%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1362%26bih%3D513%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=160&vpy=137&dur=210&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=77&ty=75&oei=AJJzTZfTN8GB8gbznfTYCw&page=1&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0 http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2010/05/gallop_poll_the.php
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Poll with CTV Question Period asking viewers, Should Oda resign, 52% sez No! Apparently people outside Parliament don't even know who Oda is, let alone what this thingy is all about. Some mistook her for Star Wars character Yoda. Liberals and NDP are out of touch with Canadians. It's the ECONOMY....that's what concerns most Canadians.
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Popular demonstrations in Canada
betsy replied to William Ashley's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
Uh-oh.....doesn't bode well. On todays's CTV Question Period, Taber sez they've seen 4 to 5 various polls confirming Harper is actually knocking on to majority territory. Craig Oliver (who's on your side btw) tried to downplay it but journalists panel confirmed it. Oliver had to concede in the end that even with the latest Bev Oda scandal, the Tories are still steaming up....saying he couldn't understand why. -
So you're back from sulking, are you? Herr Cybercoma. Why do you think I should bother walking you through it....you insist on not being on the same page anyway.
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Two Tory senators charged by elections Canada
betsy replied to DrGreenthumb's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
Yes it was funny....the way the NDP, the Tory...and the Host of the show poked fun at Ignatieff! He doesn't miss any opportunity these days...that Mr Ignatieff. Actually I'm praying for Harper majority! Not because I agree with all of his policies. I'm just plain tired of all the self-serving pontifications and opportunistic time-wasting grandstanding by the Oppositions! -
Two Tory senators charged by elections Canada
betsy replied to DrGreenthumb's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
So why is Election Canada singling out the Tories? -
Speaking of condoms... I'm still waiting for the Movement calling for the legislation that will criminalize the non-use of condoms outside of marriage/common law relationship. Why not? It only makes sense, doesn't it....if we want to be consistent.
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Because of religious belief. And as a Christian I'm one of those who do, and instead pushing for abstinence. That being said, I am using reason without dragging my own personal belief into this. I am accepting the fact that in this hedonistic climate we now have, when instant gratification is the order of the day...abstinence is almost certainly out of the question! Now that modern science had provided us with the tools to PREVENT unwanted pregnancies.....and AIDS/HIV and other std..... there is no longer any excuse for the senseless killings. The choice regarding the female's autonomous right to her body can be made PRIOR to getting pregnant...not weeks after!
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More.... http://www.abortionincanada.ca/methods/index.html
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Yes. Kindly spell it out for me.
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Did it need to be spelled out in big bold letters that the fetus was a human? It was a given. The fact that it was not even deemed needed to say that the fetus is human only shows your claim that "it has always been traditionally a non-entity" is entirely false! The first wave of Feminist Movement OPPOSED abortion....even after the fact that desperate women were getting abortions due to the shame and stigma, their lives ruined! If there was ever a time to fight for abortion, that time would've been it! Don't you think? And yet the Feminist Movement sought to put the welfare of the fetus before their own. The fact that abortion was not mentioned at all in the early edition obviously showed how women felt towards the fetus. It was not a "non-entity!" Boy, you tell a mother she's carrying a non-entity....you'd probably hear the worst tongue-lashing you'd ever heard, that is if you're still conscious and not counting stars. If Ms Friedan stuck to her own guns, and did not allow herself to be manipulated by this man Larry Lader - who ended up taking credit for the "success" of the Feminist Movement - we wouldn't be going on in a senseless bloodbath, killing our young and our future! So for those who truly wish to associate anything with religion.....consider Larry as the serpent and Friedan as the dozie Eve! Ironically playing the typical stereo-type of a mindless woman! Of course, as a supporter of the Movement, why would you wish to associate it or compare it with something so evil in history - so evil that even now we're still talking about it. You can go on with your blind support....seeing what you want to see. You can go on pulling everything and anything that would make this evil become "good" and justifiable in your eyes. You need that. That is expected of you. Proving the philosophical premise that no movement set out to say, "we're going to do something evil. period." Proving that followers/supporters of the movement (like the soldiers, concentration camp guards, Hitler boys, the pro-Hitler population) need to see and believe in something "good" in order to justify this evil.
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BUT it's not like we're back in 1969. There is no longer the stigma or shame attached to an unwed mother - one of the main reasons why women in those days seek abortion. There are contraceptives nowadays. Birth control of all kinds. From devices to pills. There's even the morning-after pill. Getting carried away by the heat of the moment is no longer an excuse. Take a morning-after pill. If you fear the pains of childbirth, wouldn't you take the extra precautions not to get pregnant? I bet anyone who has the fear of chidlbirth pains will treat birth control devices as one would treat his bank card - never leave home without it. And will put any boy scout to shame for always being prepared! And if you did forget to take precautions, wouldn't you be running to get the morning-after pill the moment you get the chance? Besides, what with HIV and other STD, use of condoms is another sensible tool, if not a must! For AIDS and HIV being a global threat....aren't we suppose to really promote and make it a must, if not impose the use of condoms??? Any unwanted pregnancies that happen in this day and age is just the result of sheer wilfull negligence. Why is the fetus the one paying the price for this? So it is really odd that despite all these things available to prevent pregnancies, society would still opt for the senseless killing of the fetus as just another alternative.
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To say that the fetus has a long tradition of being a non-entity in our society is false. The fact that abortion was punishable by law, and is only allowed if there's health risk to the mother attest to that. The fetus was not considered a non-entity by our society. It's only when the Feminist Movement was guided and convinced by Lader to push for woman's right with her body that the movement for how the fetus is regarded had changed. Now you can abort the baby at anytime as long as he's still partly inside the womb. So of course there is a stark similarity between the Jews in Hitler's 3rd Reich and the status of the fetus. Being considered non-human means any atrocity is acceptable! The Jews were tortured, starved, raped, killed, maimed and subjected to all sorts of indignities. Of course, it's worse for the fetus since the fetus cannot verbalize what he's going through. There was a film that showed the fetus trying to avoid the instrument that was trying to kill him...so obviously the fetus can feel it! Since he is inside, who can see what's going on unless you are there viewing it through ultra sound. Some say the fetus can feel pain in 20 weeks...some say it's later than that...some say it could be earlier than that....well, who's to say? Some would justify that those atrocious cruel acts like the ones we read in the papers are only "isolated" incidents. Who's to say for sure they're only isolated incidents? There are no accurate data available! Besides whether it's only isolated incident, it is still a horrendous act! Animals have more protection.
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I didn't know "pickaninny" is a racist term. I thought it's just one of those term that means silly or something like that!
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Good eye, Bloodyminded. I have to edit that post and be more specific. Thanks.
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12 weeks? And that's the whole training? Not just physical training?
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Popular demonstrations in Canada
betsy replied to William Ashley's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
Oh darn! I thought this is something about Libya. Okay....I'll see myself out. -
That's what some MPs say....but pundits/strategists agree that Nanos Poll accurately predicted the outcome of the previous election (and I think they also mentioned the other election before that). At Power and Politics (?) or Power Play (?), former Liberal Quebec MP Lisa Frulla cautioned pundits yesterday that in Quebec, although the Bloc is way up there in the polls....Conservatives still come second.
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Are the 13 left behind liberal?
betsy replied to William Ashley's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
Whoa, new host of Power Play (CTV) gave his last word yesterday at the end of the show....and it was a show of support to the government for doing its best at a difficult situation. There was also that hint of rebuke aimed at the Opposition. That came as big surprise. -
Two Tory senators charged by elections Canada
betsy replied to DrGreenthumb's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
I hate Evan Solomon these days! :angry: Although last week or so he had Justin Trudeau as guest....and boy, there's no love lost between the two. I couldn't believe how Solomon criticized the Liberal ads in Quebec and described them as "attack ads." Trudeau tried to distance the Liberal ads from the Conservative ads....but Solomon was adamant, and really kept harping about them being nothing more than attack ads. But now, I'm back to hating Evan Solomon these days! :angry: -
Two Tory senators charged by elections Canada
betsy replied to DrGreenthumb's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
I was surprised to hear a former NDP Director dismiss that Canada Elections charges, saying all parties do that kind of thing, and even gave examples! The new host of Power Play (CTV) didn't see that coming and quipped about the end of discussion since the two panelists (NDP and Tory) agree with one another. Then all three took pokes at Michael Ignatieff for his opportunistic interview!
