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What you or what I believe is not the point!

Don't today's couples announce: "WE are expecting...." WIP, we know that you've got an ax to grind, but this is not about the Catholic Church. The point is: Whereas it used to be legally accepted that the baby is not human from conception to 3 months (and it was legally acceptable to kill him).....over the years, his status as a human had been diminished....and now, he is legally declared not human at all until he's born. This legislation is in support of the Feminist Movement! Nothing more. As long as the baby is considered human, he has the right to be protected. That causes a problem for the FemiNAZIs. Therefore, it's imperative for him to become non-human. Stripped of all rights. That's all there is to it. The Jews were considered non-human in Hitler's 3rd Reich, therefore they had no rights. Feminists...FemiNazis...the last one fits quite snuggly.

As is explained in the study, the phrase "I...create evil" refers to physical evil or calamity rather than moral evil. God is no way pictured in the Scripture as the Author of sin. It is important to remember that the Old Testament is mostly for and about Israel, the Chosen people of God. As God had said: My Thoughts are not your thoughts. My Ways are not your ways. Does God need to explain every details to man? Who is man to question God? God does not have to answer to man. Pride and arrogance of man is man's downfall.

Rumour of shoot-out between two sons.

Layton rolled up his sleeves ala-Obama! Ignatieff had done the same. Both parties imported political strategists from the USofA!

Interpretation: Support the Feminist Movement - without question! No one can climb on a soap box to spew out one's guts to his heart's content (as original poster is doing now) - if our military did not fight for rights and freedom. In cadence with WIP's style of delivery, I ask: Why do leftwingers/liberals wear their grievances over "freedom lost" so prominently on their sleeves.....and yet refuse to understand how freedom was gained? There is a clash with this rationale. There. That's the key word. Not just every religion. It has to be Christianity. I ask: How can the disgruntled ex-Christian overlook the fact that we live in a very materialistic, shallow world. Distractions at every turn. Where the distinction between right and wrong are now blurred. We are all humans, after all. A climate of the "me," the "I," the "mine." It's a culture of "It's my body!".... "I can do whatever I want!" ... ..."If I believe it's right, then it is right!" ... ..."If I believe it's the truth, then it's the truth." How can this dis-gruntled ex-Right Wing (and an ex-Christian at that) dismiss the fact that what we see now is the decay of society...thanks to hedonistic mind-set of liberals/leftwingers. Of course it wouldn't make any sense to a God-less person. Can someone God-less really be able to lecture on morality? Like Multi-culturalism. The neatly compartmentalized little pockets of ghettos. Well Thank God, you have the freedom to express your rights! The leftwingers/liberals forget that the freedom of expression apply to all! University campuses (of all places) should know better.... should never attempt to stifle free expression! If Pro-Choice can have their say, then let the Pro-Lifers have their say! If leftwingers really practice what they preach....they should have demanded the NDP "Bubblezones" to be dismantled. If Anti-Semite speakers can give their speeches, then rightwing speakers have the right to do the same. Democracy is not only for the leftwingers/liberals. It's for EVERYONE! You complain now. Boy, wait til you see the spendings on the Leftwingers/Liberal agenda. Don't you? to make America run according to the Communist "moral" worldview in all areas of life. Including what you can eat and cannot eat. It's better than the belief of "NO RESPONSIBILITY" at all. It's always somebody's fault. Besides if there is no sense of social responsibility, there wouldn't be a drastic attempt at justice system overhaul when it is clear that the leftwinger's version of "social responsibility" is molly-cuddling the repeat offenders and dis-regarding crime victims. Under the leftwinger/liberal "moral" system I ask: What family? The family structure is going....going....and about to be really gone! And the leftwinger/liberal want patriarchal be changed to matriarchal. They even went so far as to extend the rights of a matriarch. They gave her the right to kill her baby. Slippery slopes....what next? Disabled children have great need to be concerned. Unruly children need to quake in their boots. Talk about discipline! You ain't seen nothing yet. There is already the tool to be used. It ain't the belt or the strap or the wooden spoon. It's Post-Partum blues! Yeah. But man has been EMASCULATED. By the liberal/leftwingers. Gee, they even line up now to have cosmetic surgeries (Ken Syndrome). I take it you converted to worshipping Khali? This is what's scary....when someone like this talks about the value of democracy, then spouts something like this. Of course we don't need guns silly, what do you think. We'll plead! And say PLEASE. Because these Democrats realize it's one thing to cater and humor whimsical citizens whose heads are either in la-la land or in a cloud of pot smoke....and another thing to actually believe them.

This is just another anti-religious rant in disguised. It touched on some "good" points though....for all Liberals and Leftwingers to chew on...what the Left is actually all about.

My ideas may be weird to you....but it's you who keeps tugging my sleeves for attention. Now, that's weird. So I better say bye-bye.

Well, he's calling all liberals and leftwingers. Rallying em up for war. Those who disagree with him fired the first salvo.

Unavailable? Uh-oh. Probably got tired of explaining things to you.

You go ahead do it. Just be gentle. We don't wanna anything to happen to MLF.

Bush_Cheney said it to you a while back. I'll repeat the same. Go ask your son what my post meant.

You're comparing a panel of judges telling you whether you can have children or not.... to pregnant women who want to kill their babies? Just as a reminder, the point is based on the premise of the philosophy about evil. That no movement came out to say, "we're going to do something evil." That evil is always justified by something "good." There is justification for the tortures and killings. The parallel of evil between Hitler's 3rd Reich and Feminist's Abortion is given to prove that point. Your post though could make for a good discussion as a separate topic.

Who sez baby killing is illegal in Canada?? You and Pinko seem to be on the same page though. Discuss with each other.

Well I see you skipped my post #211! And I even took the time to bolden the part. I already posted something similar to yours. For the record, I posted it first. Oh boy....

Where do you get your figures? Link please. http://www.abortionincanada.ca/stats/abortion_gestational_age.html Of course it is! It's a feminist issue! Even animals protect their young! Women. I've yet to see a pregnant man lining up at a clinic. You're right. That's why the fetus was legally declared not human. Because as long as the fetus is considered human, he has the right to be protected. It's not you or me or regular Joe who petitioned the government to declare that baby inhuman. It's the powerful Feminist lobby group! I know...it is difficult and painful to reconcile with, but nevertheless, whether we like it or not, the parallel is there.

And yeah! Sir Bandelot will be good as a facilitator too!

Several of the names mentioned have themselves indulged in ad hominem postings. Hopefully that's ground for ineligibility. We need facilitators who will be credible at their jobs as facilitators. I think Michael Hardner, Jack Weber and Jonsa will make great facilitators. Rue, August, Scribblett, Keepitsimple and Bloodyminded also come to mind. I would also recommend Jeferiah however I don't think he comes that often anymore.

You never did cite an sample how I 'flew-off-the-handle" in Jesus Camp. However, I can cite a sample about your viewpoint: Ohttp://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=7231&st=90

To feminists, it's about the "power." For pro-choice advocates, your fight for what you think justify the murder of a baby boils down to......... NINE MONTHS! At least Hitler's justification of his evil was way more than that!

We're not on the same page. Sorry, you gotta go back and review the posts.

Baby-killing is a feminist issue. Is all.

It is indeed interesting how it simply equates. I never thought about it along that line until I found that philosophy about evil: But obviously our society saw differently, otherwise there wouldn't be any need for the declaration of the legal status of a foetus. It is your own way of coping with it....to make it okay. There was a time when it was considered that 3 months and below was the gestational stage(?) when a fetus is not yet a human But over the years, even that became compromised....because of the Feminist Movement. The samples of late-term abortions done in the USA attest to that. Our own Criminal Code depicts that. This is the latest justification...or rather, "battlecry." When a woman says, "It's my body." That ought to make everybody shut up. That's the "good" that you see that makes baby-killing acceptable. Society probably suffers from guilt over how women were mistreated in the past....so everything to "empower" women is unquestionably championed. The fetus had to be deemed inhuman....so these women can freely pursue their aspirations without any 9-month interruptions. The woman must not be inconvenienced by an innocent baby. Even though society had given all possible support to prevent any pregnancies....the woman must never be made to take responsibility and must never be made to do the right thing for the baby. Even though it is her body....(boy, since no one believes in virgin births these days, it is a wonder how nobody questions how that baby got there in the first place)....still, the woman must have her life un-interrupted. 9 months is too much. Much more easier to kill the child. Life of a baby has no value at all. The aspirations of the woman will always come first. The baby has to be deemed inhuman so he can be stripped off his rights. That is the cause pro-choice advocates so stoutly champion. C'mon Jonsa....believing that doesn't mean it isn't happening. Saying that doesn't make baby-killing less evil. Washing hands and looking the other way does not make it okay. That's what slavers said about the blacks....that they were not really human. That's the justification....the "good" that slavers saw behind that atrocious trade.

What's that got to do with the argument? You told me to read the Criminal Code. I posted those codes. Now I'm waiting for your point. What about it?