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Not gaining any more rotational momentum is not the same as not rotating anymore. Stop it. No more physics. Everything you say is stupid when it comes to physics (as well as everything else) He was fired from his job for speaking out against the establishment not "being wrong". OK, one more thing: Its easier for the building to rotate further through the air than collapse through the building. Its the path of least resistance in dissipating energy. Its not going through the building when it can rotate out of the way. Thats it for your stupid physics.

No. Progressive failure has only occured when there is a fault in the building causing a shearing force that causes all the supports to fail at once. This only has occured a few times in reality during a building construction when the absence of planned supports (to be added later) was not considered and it has happened once in Seoul when a 3 storey shopping mall had its plans changed at the last moment. Progressive failure is always associated with a certain type of fault in design or construction. Its easy to see from video that it wasn't a progressive failure. Its plain to see the building being blown apart from the top down (wtc1 & wtc2) because there are huge chunks that are being blown upward. This propoganda about 911 is only meant to fool the lower 30 % low grade morons that can be made to believe anything and the upper 5% who figure they will benefit from it in the end from the investments in war and the (supposedly) needed worldwide depopulation. "Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the "official investigation" blessed by FEMA and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure. "Fire Engineering 1/4/2002

There is no "pivot point" the cup is moving just as the top part of the building would slider off the bottom remainder. It also keeps rotating through te air - where is the "pivot point" while it rotates through the air ? You are a fool with your "time too short" explanations. You only get a slow as opposed to fast rate of rotation with a shorter time period. You don't get "no rotation because the time is too short". Everything you say about physics cannot only be shown to be wrong - but stupid as well.

Where ? Link ?

Why are you not going and discrediting the whole 911 truth movement with your physics. There is a lot more you could be doing than argueing here - you could be making idiots out of world class scientists ! You could put published professors who have directly stated that this is impossible to shame. (Just because your physics analysis is full of errors that I always point out should not discourage you) You are just making that up. Steven Jones abviously knew there was drywall in the buildings and still considers sulfidization a mystery if the official version is true. Perhaps you can help Jones with his chemistry and his physics. He only has a Phd, you are a guy on the internet that is obviously a lot more knowledgeable than he is.

There is *no evidence* pointing to Islamic terrorists pertetrating 911. The evidence that Popular Mechanics puts out wrt DNA being found is an outright lie. This is not sourced in PM.

#1 reason: restore the heroine trade. The Taliban killed it and it was restored as soon as we went in. Its worth 600 billion per year now in untraceable funds. The CIA needs this for covert activities.

JBG: Have you heard of this book "Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins ? This explains how the governments are being used by the banks to take over foreign governments. You must have heard of The Creature From Jekyll Island by Griffin. The premise of that book is 100% correct and its all backed up in history. Its aboput how the bankers took over in 1913 (Federal Reserve Act). Synthetic Terror by Webster Tarpley is the book on 911 to read. The truth movement is more than just about 911. Its a patriot movement to stop the destruction of the USA and the globalists from carrying out their plans. Its very consistent in its viewpoints and has piles of evidence to back up its viewpoints. The USA is being destroyed in every possible way, from medicare to the poisoning of foods and the water to having a police force turned against us. If you want to know whats in store for you then investigate Katrina. Food aid was blocked, First aid was blocked and police were sent in to confiscate guns. It was a government experiment. Its all comming up here and the American Union is how its happening.

That was all made up - there were no terrorist names on the original flight manifests and that was reported on mainstream. Many of the terrorists pictured in the FBI list have been found alive and thats been reported by many mainstream media outlets such as BBC and others. This has nothing to do with foreign terrorists. The case for LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) is weak - practically non existent. The official story is rediculous. The only theory that holds water is MIHOP (made it happen on purpose) and it holds an awful lot of water and is practically bullet proof. There is mountains of evidence supporting MIHOP and its everywhere you look.

Its not "us or them". Its the corrupted arrogant oligarchy of our society going to war against the people and 911 was an excuse to got to war, make everyone forget about the three TRILLION dollars missing from the Pentagon and to make a lot of very rich people a whole lot richer. By oligarchy I mean central bankers - David Rockefeller admits this: "We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose members have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion over forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop a plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the work now is much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto determination practised in past centuries"- David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, at the Trilteral commission in June 1991. -So this grand plan is really something that is right out in the open. Its in PNAC, and in the Clash Of Civilizations. The country is being destroyed from the inside. The infrastructure is being sold off to foreign corporations and foreign monarchies without it being on the evening news. The army is being destroyed. The guys in Iraq are surrounded and sick from DU and from going from house to house pointing guns at people all the time while never knowing when they could be attacked. They are not comming back - they are there to be destroyed so that the country cannot revolt against the evil forces that are tearing it apart from within. The carriers in the Persian Gulf are sitting ducks. The Iranians can take them out anytime they want to with hypersonic missiles and fast torpedos. Globalization and the need to "remain competitive" is a scam to get everybody working for less. How about the 100 million dollar a year CEO's being more competitive ? The banks control all countries and the ones that are not under bank control are the ones we go to war with. Banks control countries by printing off fiat currencies for almost nothing, lending them out at full face value and use the profits to finance think tanks, focus groups that direct governments by deciding who runs and control the media. Politicians are just puppets. Kennedy was assasinated for wanting to print off debt free money. When presidents get assassinated its because they want to take control back or want to change the way banking is done. To destroy a country you must divide its people and this war on terrorism has done that in many ways. Its given the government the excuse to expand police powers, install cameras and to build "detention centers"(concentration camps). Police are being turned against the populations through militarization. The big USA corporations are involved in the sex trade and the slave trade. Its well known and well reported in mainstream media. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where we are going, especially since it is admitted. There are other quotes from Rockefeller, one where he admits to trying to destroy the USA from the inside to make way for global government. The banks have affective control of all countries because they have been using the US army as their strong arm in overthrowing people oriented governments and putting corrupt dictators in and paying them off to let our banks take control of their currencies. All major countries now have concentration camps just like the USA and that is directly from someone very high up in the USA that answered my email directly regarding these camps. Law professors have explained the parallels between our changes in laws and the changes in laws that occured during the NAZI occupation of Germany. Historians have connected the current US administration directly to NAZI's in personel, shown how NAZI's were financed by our corporations and how the NAZI philosophy & ideals has entered our schools, (Machiavellianism, Straussianism, Nihilism).

I didn't say sulfur, FEMA didn't say sulfur. It was sulfidization which is a high temperature process. That paragraph you quote is not evidence. Its a low grade opinion based on nothing.

Right. You add nothing to the debate except anecdotal stories & insults. You will not debate the evidence. I don't care if you are a Canadian lawyer or an American one. A tree is judged by the fruit it bears. Secondly, if you really are a lawyer, you are smart enough to look at the evidence before debating and you know that conspiracies really do exist. If you think Osama Bin Laden did 911, then you are going along with the official story because you think you are too important to be crushed by the forces of globalism. 911 wasn't just an inside job, it was OBVIOUSLY an inside job and made to look OBVIOUS. They didn't try to hide much - as if they were telling the "intelligencia"- "yes this was an inside job but just go along with it, buy some Haliburton, get rich and shut up". Which is impossible for two reasons (1) The buildings were designed to withstand multiple impacts like this. (2) A building collapseing into its own footprint straight down violates the laws of thermodynamics - which is why you need a CD team to make that happen in real life.

Ha Ha - you know I will find something in there which is why you won't post it. If NIST says it couldn't have been CD then they are ignoring evidence shown by FEMA sect 8 (sulfidization). I'd like to know how they explain the high temperature sulfidization of beams without the explanation of explosives So this looks nothing like a controlled demolition ? Why don't you provide a link to a controlled demolition that doesn't look like that. If you push a cup of the end of a table it will rotate through the air as it hits the ground - No pivot point. Stop with your "scientific" analysis. Its really sounding rediculous.

Ha Ha !! At least we agree on something They are far from incompetent because everything is falling apart according to plan. See "Clash Of Civilizations". Iraq was supposed to be broken up into pieces and it will be . 911 accomplished exactly what they wanted in PNAC. None of this is by accident but they just want you to think its all happening because the president is a moron and not something else. The president isn't really a moron, you are for buying what they are selling. No, rotation can occur without a "pivot point". Yopu really really have no idea about what you are talking about when it come to science.

You don't have a clue about anything to do with physics. more like: The buildings collapsed straight down because that is the only direction they could could not move in once the structure collapsed !!!! Its one scientific fact that is intuitive as well as ealily understood. Once one part of the building collapses it starts to rotate. The sytem gets more unstable as the center of gravity shifts with the rotation on a the downward moving mass. The path of least resistance is through the air, not through the building so the top part of the building eventually rotates of while falling and goes through the air leaving part of the building standing. The system has a built in instability in that once the building top starts tipping in any direction it will not stop because only air is the resistance to it doing this. The path through the building has a LOT more resistance. The air has LITTLE resistance and the building falls through the air. Its impossible to get the building to collapse down straight because in order for this to be sustained, every single floor must collapse at the exact same point and time all the way around its perimeter. Once it starts to collapse a little bit one one side the building top falls off rather than going straight down. This is intuitive and doesn't take any scientific traing to understand (but its hard to explain without having gone to school) but this arguement about 911 allowed Riverwind to show a little bit of knowledge can be dangerous. You "analysis" is just like the other 911 scientific analysis, it is an attempt to bridge the impossible - except for the fact that their science is correct (it makes erronous assumptions). No one has ever explained how the official version is possible. They assume that the buildings naturally collapsed and people write stuff that makes erroneous assumtions in order to provide a believeable premise that is based on flaws or bad assumptions. "must have" "would have" is not science.

Why do these Muslims want to attack us. I asked you this before and you said that they have declared a "celiphate". Why...because they hate our freedoms ? You are the one that cannot answer questions and use BS instead of answering questions directly. You really think this whole deal is going to work in your favour don't you. Lawyers often have an aggagerated sense of their own worth because of the money they make. I know most of money lawyers make is just hush money. The law society wants all lawyers employed so that they don't go around telling people how the system really works. Its easier to keep all the ones in the know on side and eating well. Here you have a couple of guys that have no idea how professionals are governed - great buddies to have - the only ones that respect lawyers are the ones who don't know how they operate.

Most of the steel never got beyond 250 degrees Celcius and even from the NIST diagrams of the collapse area and temperatures one can easily conclude that the towers should have remained standing. The center core was built with a 6 times over build factor, the outside columns had a 20 times overbuild factor since they absorb the wind load. Even if all supporting ( internal & external) columns were heated to 840 degrees, the building still would have remained standing. Verification of this can be done with simple arithmetic applied to the NIST report data. With less than half the building damaged at the most critical floor and the fact that the buildings remained standing after the impact with no change in the natural vibrational frequency of the building proves that there was enough strength to hold the buildings up. The 1975 fire in the wtc burned hotter and for much longer. No parts of the strucure were even damaged. JBG: why not argue facts instead of tertiary ideas ? You can't argue that 911 wasn't an inside job at all. Riverwind can't even understand basic free body diagrams or the realities of conservation of momentum. He doesn't understad what the difference is between Newtonian physics and relativistic physics. Canadian Blue wants to paint me as an anti semite instead of winning based on facts.

the official story for 911 doesn't add up any way you look at it. None of the official story makes sense. The people argueing science in it are arguing that 2+2=5. I've read the official papers and studied them - they all skip over important facts as if they do not exist. They are white washes and incomplete, none of them represent reasonable science. They don't make errors like Riverwind does in his "analysis" they just skip over important things, such as showing how the buildings could have collapsed straight down into their own footprint. No paper explains this. The NIST report doesn't address is and will not create visualizations of their simulations.

I happen to like the USA very much. The only people that I can honestly say that I hate is Canadian lawyers. The reason for this is the moral relativism that they support in laws. If you are a Canadian lawyer the law doesn't hinder you in any way in what you may do or wish to do. Canadian lawyers are affectively above the law.

- Hoffman Hoffmans CritiQue Of Bezant & Zhou Would you capitulate your position if George Bush said there may have been explosions in the buildings ? I'm done debating with you because I am noi longer going to entertain a fool

From your paper: Thats the language of a whitwash. Thats not a proof or explanation of anything. Oh Yeah ? Apples are better than oranges ! So there !!! Can't you smell BS when you read it ? I'll do a little research on the guy that wrote this and post on him. (since you seem to be so enamoured with him)

Do you mean the guy that works in mathematical research at Berkely and published work for Scientific American ? I guess if he isn't a Phd he must be a genius who never had to go to school.

I have taken courses in materials and basic structures, enough to know your physics is all wrong. You do not have a clue about what you are talking about, get elementary concepts wrong and are trying to pass yourself off as an expert.

That paper DOES not explain the collapse. No, he didn't. This paper does not explain the collapse. This paper does not say the same thing you did at all ! Besides, Hoffman rips this work apart in a way that anyone can understand.

Because a problem like this has never been seen before - something that looks exactly like CD but claimed to be something else.